Does Borland / Embarco still exist?
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So, Delphi under the Embarcadero banner, have they dropped Borland or did it go bang again? Micro Focus??
As today Borland is part of MicroFocus, but a few years back Delphi was bought by Embarcadero...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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As today Borland is part of MicroFocus, but a few years back Delphi was bought by Embarcadero...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
Well that leave M$ the only way...
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Hi, I had a question about some one trying to use Delphi in the Embarco frame work... Question A) I was under the impression that Borland made a return with Dev Studio 2006, went into the sunset again B) Embarcadero only did the C++ end of things, the was Delphi .NET (1.0) but thats all.:java:
1984 - Turbo Pascal 2.0 - $29.95 2018 - Delphi 10.2 - $1500. Wow.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
1984 - Turbo Pascal 2.0 - $29.95 2018 - Delphi 10.2 - $1500. Wow.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Wow indeed, though adjusted for inflation it's not quite so dramatic. Back in those days I was living off £30 a week... .. and contrarily, I remember looking at PC adverts for systems costing over £1K, which you can get now for well under that.. and you can get the entire .NET framework for nothing. Weird. I quite enjoyed Turbo Pascal. Just never had a good use for it.
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Wow indeed, though adjusted for inflation it's not quite so dramatic. Back in those days I was living off £30 a week... .. and contrarily, I remember looking at PC adverts for systems costing over £1K, which you can get now for well under that.. and you can get the entire .NET framework for nothing. Weird. I quite enjoyed Turbo Pascal. Just never had a good use for it.
I had a job coding in DOS/Turbo Pascal from 1988-1991. After that all development was converted to C++ and Windows. In 2000, the company was sold to an international company, and I just performed a cursory search, and the software does not seem to be available any longer. A million lines of code down the chute... Does anyone remember the OWL framework? :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
I had a job coding in DOS/Turbo Pascal from 1988-1991. After that all development was converted to C++ and Windows. In 2000, the company was sold to an international company, and I just performed a cursory search, and the software does not seem to be available any longer. A million lines of code down the chute... Does anyone remember the OWL framework? :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Does anyone remember the OWL framework?
I wrote my final project using it... An almost heretic move those days not to use COBOL...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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I had a job coding in DOS/Turbo Pascal from 1988-1991. After that all development was converted to C++ and Windows. In 2000, the company was sold to an international company, and I just performed a cursory search, and the software does not seem to be available any longer. A million lines of code down the chute... Does anyone remember the OWL framework? :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Wow indeed, though adjusted for inflation it's not quite so dramatic. Back in those days I was living off £30 a week... .. and contrarily, I remember looking at PC adverts for systems costing over £1K, which you can get now for well under that.. and you can get the entire .NET framework for nothing. Weird. I quite enjoyed Turbo Pascal. Just never had a good use for it.
A_Griffin wrote:
though adjusted for inflation it's not quite so dramatic
Adjusted to inflation it would be around $70... $1500 is a magnitude larger than that...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Hi, I had a question about some one trying to use Delphi in the Embarco frame work... Question A) I was under the impression that Borland made a return with Dev Studio 2006, went into the sunset again B) Embarcadero only did the C++ end of things, the was Delphi .NET (1.0) but thats all.:java:
C++ builder is owned by Embarcadero now: C++Builder: Windows, Mac, iOS, Android - Embarcadero[^] I have no idea where the "Borland" went.
-- rants are the vehicle of the lazy and uninspired - JSOP 2/2018
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A_Griffin wrote:
though adjusted for inflation it's not quite so dramatic
Adjusted to inflation it would be around $70... $1500 is a magnitude larger than that...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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I had a job coding in DOS/Turbo Pascal from 1988-1991. After that all development was converted to C++ and Windows. In 2000, the company was sold to an international company, and I just performed a cursory search, and the software does not seem to be available any longer. A million lines of code down the chute... Does anyone remember the OWL framework? :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013I worked at an automated manufacturing facility from 1986 to 1998; two years ago, they shut it down... all of the code written that was specific to that site... gone. In the early '80s, the company invested $250,000,000 to upgrade the facilities.. I still don't understand the thought behind shuttering the place; I guess it wasn't making a high enough profit margin.
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Hi, I had a question about some one trying to use Delphi in the Embarco frame work... Question A) I was under the impression that Borland made a return with Dev Studio 2006, went into the sunset again B) Embarcadero only did the C++ end of things, the was Delphi .NET (1.0) but thats all.:java:
I still use Delphi 6 for maintenance of a codebase where I work.
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I had a job coding in DOS/Turbo Pascal from 1988-1991. After that all development was converted to C++ and Windows. In 2000, the company was sold to an international company, and I just performed a cursory search, and the software does not seem to be available any longer. A million lines of code down the chute... Does anyone remember the OWL framework? :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Does anyone remember the OWL framework?
Yes - thanks for reminding me how old I am :(
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Wow indeed, though adjusted for inflation it's not quite so dramatic. Back in those days I was living off £30 a week... .. and contrarily, I remember looking at PC adverts for systems costing over £1K, which you can get now for well under that.. and you can get the entire .NET framework for nothing. Weird. I quite enjoyed Turbo Pascal. Just never had a good use for it.
A_Griffin wrote:
adjusted for inflation it's not quite so dramatic
Beer was 70p a pint, today it is £3.50 so inflation doesnt account for that increase.
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Hi, I had a question about some one trying to use Delphi in the Embarco frame work... Question A) I was under the impression that Borland made a return with Dev Studio 2006, went into the sunset again B) Embarcadero only did the C++ end of things, the was Delphi .NET (1.0) but thats all.:java:
Both C++ Builder[^] and Delphi[^] have free versions called Starter versions. These went away for a few years but are back. If I recall correctly they compile to windows only. The other versions for Andriod, IOS, Windows or whatever else they support are expensive. I also have Delphi 2006 (to support some old apps) but their more recent offerings will compile the code just fine.
Jack of all trades, master of none, though often times better than master of one.
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I had a job coding in DOS/Turbo Pascal from 1988-1991. After that all development was converted to C++ and Windows. In 2000, the company was sold to an international company, and I just performed a cursory search, and the software does not seem to be available any longer. A million lines of code down the chute... Does anyone remember the OWL framework? :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
A_Griffin wrote:
adjusted for inflation it's not quite so dramatic
Beer was 70p a pint, today it is £3.50 so inflation doesnt account for that increase.
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Its the red wine for me. Lethal stuff. Still, dropped another 2 kgs, getting there...
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Hi, I had a question about some one trying to use Delphi in the Embarco frame work... Question A) I was under the impression that Borland made a return with Dev Studio 2006, went into the sunset again B) Embarcadero only did the C++ end of things, the was Delphi .NET (1.0) but thats all.:java:
It's embarcadero. They are still hanging on currently, but one of their feet has stepped in grave since years ago, which serves the right. Their doom came from their greed. Who in the right mind would want to fork out 2,500 US dollars for an IDE, when there are Visual Studio Community and Intellij IDEA Community and Android Studio? Also the online learning resource for their Delphi is too few, while Java and C families have plenty.
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It's embarcadero. They are still hanging on currently, but one of their feet has stepped in grave since years ago, which serves the right. Their doom came from their greed. Who in the right mind would want to fork out 2,500 US dollars for an IDE, when there are Visual Studio Community and Intellij IDEA Community and Android Studio? Also the online learning resource for their Delphi is too few, while Java and C families have plenty.
I use Delphi regularly. On Delphi XE7 these days. I still don't see any of the other popular IDEs deliver the same blinding-fast compile time and self-contained EXEs. Deployment is true xcopy-deployment with no runtime dependencies other than Win32. So for me it delivers great value. I will however agree on the pricing issue. Major reason why I don't upgrade the IDE often :). Embarcadero releases a new version every year or so, but I find it harder and harder to see what's new. At least they are still working on the product. One application I maintain is built using Delphi 7 (from 2002). The EXEs still work flawlessly on Windows 10 - even look like proper Windows 10 applications. That may be more a testimony to how well MS backwards compatibility works, but still...
