Does Borland / Embarco still exist?
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Hi, I had a question about some one trying to use Delphi in the Embarco frame work... Question A) I was under the impression that Borland made a return with Dev Studio 2006, went into the sunset again B) Embarcadero only did the C++ end of things, the was Delphi .NET (1.0) but thats all.:java:
I still use Delphi 6 for maintenance of a codebase where I work.
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I had a job coding in DOS/Turbo Pascal from 1988-1991. After that all development was converted to C++ and Windows. In 2000, the company was sold to an international company, and I just performed a cursory search, and the software does not seem to be available any longer. A million lines of code down the chute... Does anyone remember the OWL framework? :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Does anyone remember the OWL framework?
Yes - thanks for reminding me how old I am :(
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Wow indeed, though adjusted for inflation it's not quite so dramatic. Back in those days I was living off £30 a week... .. and contrarily, I remember looking at PC adverts for systems costing over £1K, which you can get now for well under that.. and you can get the entire .NET framework for nothing. Weird. I quite enjoyed Turbo Pascal. Just never had a good use for it.
A_Griffin wrote:
adjusted for inflation it's not quite so dramatic
Beer was 70p a pint, today it is £3.50 so inflation doesnt account for that increase.
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Hi, I had a question about some one trying to use Delphi in the Embarco frame work... Question A) I was under the impression that Borland made a return with Dev Studio 2006, went into the sunset again B) Embarcadero only did the C++ end of things, the was Delphi .NET (1.0) but thats all.:java:
Both C++ Builder[^] and Delphi[^] have free versions called Starter versions. These went away for a few years but are back. If I recall correctly they compile to windows only. The other versions for Andriod, IOS, Windows or whatever else they support are expensive. I also have Delphi 2006 (to support some old apps) but their more recent offerings will compile the code just fine.
Jack of all trades, master of none, though often times better than master of one.
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I had a job coding in DOS/Turbo Pascal from 1988-1991. After that all development was converted to C++ and Windows. In 2000, the company was sold to an international company, and I just performed a cursory search, and the software does not seem to be available any longer. A million lines of code down the chute... Does anyone remember the OWL framework? :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
A_Griffin wrote:
adjusted for inflation it's not quite so dramatic
Beer was 70p a pint, today it is £3.50 so inflation doesnt account for that increase.
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Its the red wine for me. Lethal stuff. Still, dropped another 2 kgs, getting there...
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Hi, I had a question about some one trying to use Delphi in the Embarco frame work... Question A) I was under the impression that Borland made a return with Dev Studio 2006, went into the sunset again B) Embarcadero only did the C++ end of things, the was Delphi .NET (1.0) but thats all.:java:
It's embarcadero. They are still hanging on currently, but one of their feet has stepped in grave since years ago, which serves the right. Their doom came from their greed. Who in the right mind would want to fork out 2,500 US dollars for an IDE, when there are Visual Studio Community and Intellij IDEA Community and Android Studio? Also the online learning resource for their Delphi is too few, while Java and C families have plenty.
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It's embarcadero. They are still hanging on currently, but one of their feet has stepped in grave since years ago, which serves the right. Their doom came from their greed. Who in the right mind would want to fork out 2,500 US dollars for an IDE, when there are Visual Studio Community and Intellij IDEA Community and Android Studio? Also the online learning resource for their Delphi is too few, while Java and C families have plenty.
I use Delphi regularly. On Delphi XE7 these days. I still don't see any of the other popular IDEs deliver the same blinding-fast compile time and self-contained EXEs. Deployment is true xcopy-deployment with no runtime dependencies other than Win32. So for me it delivers great value. I will however agree on the pricing issue. Major reason why I don't upgrade the IDE often :). Embarcadero releases a new version every year or so, but I find it harder and harder to see what's new. At least they are still working on the product. One application I maintain is built using Delphi 7 (from 2002). The EXEs still work flawlessly on Windows 10 - even look like proper Windows 10 applications. That may be more a testimony to how well MS backwards compatibility works, but still...
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1984 - Turbo Pascal 2.0 - $29.95 2018 - Delphi 10.2 - $1500. Wow.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013It ran great on my Apple II clone
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
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Well that leave M$ the only way...
MS the only way ? ever heard of codeblocks ? mingw ? clang ? powerbasic ? purebasic ? xojo ? libre office ? python ?
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It's embarcadero. They are still hanging on currently, but one of their feet has stepped in grave since years ago, which serves the right. Their doom came from their greed. Who in the right mind would want to fork out 2,500 US dollars for an IDE, when there are Visual Studio Community and Intellij IDEA Community and Android Studio? Also the online learning resource for their Delphi is too few, while Java and C families have plenty.
Lets not forget that it was a top engineer from Borland that went over to microsoft to build something small, what was it called again? Oh yes C# Everything good from that language has been thought up by the same guy that made Delphi so great back then. I use VS too when at work, but my own projects are all still in Delphi. Even Delphi 7 (now more than 10 years old) still is a lot more productive than the latest VS. Delphi was always best until and including Delphi 7. Then it went backwards real hard because Borland just did not care anymore and they where trying to incorporate dot net in Delphi. Now thanks to Embarcadero Delphi XE10 is getting back on track again, granted the price is not cheap but the product really is way better then VS.
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I had a job coding in DOS/Turbo Pascal from 1988-1991. After that all development was converted to C++ and Windows. In 2000, the company was sold to an international company, and I just performed a cursory search, and the software does not seem to be available any longer. A million lines of code down the chute... Does anyone remember the OWL framework? :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013bcc and TurboDebugger. TWindow. Good times. And, again, thanks for pointing out how old I am.
onwards and upwards...
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Hi, I had a question about some one trying to use Delphi in the Embarco frame work... Question A) I was under the impression that Borland made a return with Dev Studio 2006, went into the sunset again B) Embarcadero only did the C++ end of things, the was Delphi .NET (1.0) but thats all.:java:
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I had a job coding in DOS/Turbo Pascal from 1988-1991. After that all development was converted to C++ and Windows. In 2000, the company was sold to an international company, and I just performed a cursory search, and the software does not seem to be available any longer. A million lines of code down the chute... Does anyone remember the OWL framework? :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Sure do. I remember stuffing like 35 3.5 floppies into the disk reader to install. You had to set aside one or two of the early disks because they had to be re-installed at a later stage. I used it to write a natural language parser in C++ in 1993, on OS/2 because that was the only operating system which could reach enough memory to do chart parsing.
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It's embarcadero. They are still hanging on currently, but one of their feet has stepped in grave since years ago, which serves the right. Their doom came from their greed. Who in the right mind would want to fork out 2,500 US dollars for an IDE, when there are Visual Studio Community and Intellij IDEA Community and Android Studio? Also the online learning resource for their Delphi is too few, while Java and C families have plenty.
Delphi was always more expensive. It was one of the few "RAD" platforms that compiled to native exe and did not need a "run time"; i.e. harder to decompile if that was a concern. (Never thought of C++ as "RAD").
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal
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Hi, I had a question about some one trying to use Delphi in the Embarco frame work... Question A) I was under the impression that Borland made a return with Dev Studio 2006, went into the sunset again B) Embarcadero only did the C++ end of things, the was Delphi .NET (1.0) but thats all.:java:
Can't resist bringing up old memory, don't you? Absolute direct memory access. I still remember a small app I wrote as screen saver which inserts arrow keys, Page UP, Page DN into the keyboard buffer simulating like someone is editing the source code. Drive our network guy crazy thinking someone has taken control of the PC. Another one is simulating a crack on the CRT screen too, by manipulate video buffer directly. Fun those days. Yes all Delphian are grandpa/grandma now, I'm included.
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Can't resist bringing up old memory, don't you? Absolute direct memory access. I still remember a small app I wrote as screen saver which inserts arrow keys, Page UP, Page DN into the keyboard buffer simulating like someone is editing the source code. Drive our network guy crazy thinking someone has taken control of the PC. Another one is simulating a crack on the CRT screen too, by manipulate video buffer directly. Fun those days. Yes all Delphian are grandpa/grandma now, I'm included.
Using Turbo C++ and the peek & poke commands I wrote a program to flash the caps lock & num lock to send morse code!
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MS the only way ? ever heard of codeblocks ? mingw ? clang ? powerbasic ? purebasic ? xojo ? libre office ? python ?
Or even better Lazarus/FreePascal. Just like Delphi, but with a better pricetag. And available for more host and target environments...
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1984 - Turbo Pascal 2.0 - $29.95 2018 - Delphi 10.2 - $1500. Wow.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Well, that's kind of comparing apples and oranges. And if that would be a stretch, if you compare the capabilities of Turbo Pascal 2.0 and Delphi 10.2. But in general, yes, it is a shame that Embarcadero went way overboard with their pricing, that's why I stick with FreePascal/Lazarus instead...