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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
why should *I* - as a rational and responsible gun owner - be subjected to additional laws and restrictions that INCLUDE threatening to get the 2nd Amendment repealed?
Either you agree to have your RIGHTS curbed or you make it easy for anyone to buy a semi-automatic rifle and murder kids and teachers at school. It's a fairly simple choice.
I refuse to negotiate where my rights are concerned.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
So, as soon as you need a gun, Eddy is like - "the cops are only 10 minutes away!" American gun owners just shakes their head in disbelief. (Canadian - non-gun owners meanwhile take shots at either side. :-\ )
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Freedom doesn't mean the absence of things you don't like. Dave
DRHuff wrote:
So, as soon as you need a gun, Eddy is like - "the cops are only 10 minutes away!"
I have never needed a gun; didn't need any at the attempted robbery either.
DRHuff wrote:
American gun owners just shakes their head in disbelief.
An American would have been shot with his own gun, in that place. What would John do in my place? Ask them people to wait while he fetches his gun from the car? :rolleyes:
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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I refuse to negotiate where my rights are concerned.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013So you've made your choice and there's nothing wrong with that, as long as you realise that choices have consequences. Of course some might think that they have a responsibility to their fellow man to consider the lives of children to be more important than their right to own a piece of metal that they don't really need. But if you think your rights are more important than your responsibilities then who am I to argue.
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Stable Genius wrote:
It's about the crazy one in a million and when you have such lax laws it's just a matter of time until the next massacre.
If it's about the "crazy 1 in a million", why should *I* - as a rational and responsible gun owner - be subjected to additional laws and restrictions that INCLUDE threatening to get the 2nd Amendment repealed? Laws and restrictions only serve to infringe on the 2nd Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens, and do NOTHING to effectively keep guns out of the hands of people bent on visiting evil on the world.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Laws and restrictions only serve to infringe on the 2nd Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens, and do NOTHING to effectively keep guns out of the hands of people bent on visiting evil on the world.
Agreed 100%. Bad guys and crazies are called that for a reason: they don't follow the rules. I live too far away from the city for the police (sheriff, actually) to be of any benefit should I need them. Yes, I am going to defend my family and homestead using legally purchased firearms.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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[Gun owner destroys his AR-15 after Florida shooting - Daily Mail - YouTube](https://youtu.be/UQX3RsAXN88) Reasonable American, white on top of that.
throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Laws and restrictions only serve to infringe on the 2nd Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens, and do NOTHING to effectively keep guns out of the hands of people bent on visiting evil on the world.
Agreed 100%. Bad guys and crazies are called that for a reason: they don't follow the rules. I live too far away from the city for the police (sheriff, actually) to be of any benefit should I need them. Yes, I am going to defend my family and homestead using legally purchased firearms.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Does it have a center folding stock?
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Freedom doesn't mean the absence of things you don't like. Dave
No, but it has a telescoping stock (which is an indicator that the rifle is, in some way, evil - if you believe the statistics). It's also not black any more, so I suppose you could say it's less evil than it was when it was black.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Stable Genius wrote:
Did you ever visit the NRA web site?
No need. I don't own guns.
Stable Genius wrote:
I did.
Good for you. What does any of this have to do with your racist comment?
Mike Mullikin wrote:
What does any of this have to do with your racist comment?
When all else fails, liberals play the race card. To be fair, sometimes they don't wait for all else to fail.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
[Gun owner destroys his AR-15 after Florida shooting - Daily Mail - YouTube](https://youtu.be/UQX3RsAXN88) Reasonable American, white on top of that.
throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart.
Let's just make sure all you gun grabbing leftist liberals know what kind of world you are proposing: In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Let's just make sure all you gun grabbing leftist liberals know what kind of world you are proposing: In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Oh I get it now. So which one of these does the US resemble most closely? China? Cambodia? meh, I guess Germany 1938 is the closest one. I hope you are aware that most countries in Europe have tight gun control laws and nobody has been rounded up yet.
throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart.
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Stable Genius wrote:
white on top of that.
Way to turn it racist. :doh:
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
And just to make sure that we know the true nature of the gun grabbers In 1865 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States. In 1881 a left wing radical Democrat shot James Garfield, President of the United States - who later died from the wound. In 1963 a radical left wing socialist shot and killed John F. Kennedy, President of the United States. In 1975 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald Ford, President of the United States. In 1983 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald Reagan, President of the United States. In 1984 James Hubert, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 22 people in a McDonalds restaurant. In 1986 Patrick Sherrill, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 15 people in an Oklahoma post office. In 1990 James Pough, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 10 people at a GMAC office. In 1991 George Hennard, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 23 people in a Luby's cafeteria in Killeen , TX. In 1995 James Daniel Simpson, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory. In 1999 Larry Asbrook, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 8 people at a church service. In 2001 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US ... In 2003 Douglas Williams, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people at a Lockheed Martin plant. In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung - Hui Cho, shot and killed 32 people in Virginia Tech. In 2010 a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner, shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed 6 others. In 2011 a registered Democrat named James Holmes, went into a movie theater and shot and killed 12 people. In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people in Minneapolis. In 2013 a registered Democrat named Adam Lanza, shot and killed 26 people in a school in Newtown , CT. As recently as Sept 2013, an angry Democrat shot 12 at a Navy ship yard. Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats and guns. *Not one *NRA member, Tea Party member, or Republican conservative was involved in any of these shootings and murders.
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DRHuff wrote:
So, as soon as you need a gun, Eddy is like - "the cops are only 10 minutes away!"
I have never needed a gun; didn't need any at the attempted robbery either.
DRHuff wrote:
American gun owners just shakes their head in disbelief.
An American would have been shot with his own gun, in that place. What would John do in my place? Ask them people to wait while he fetches his gun from the car? :rolleyes:
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Ask them people to wait while he fetches his gun from the car?
That's called "the art of the deal".
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Oh I get it now. So which one of these does the US resemble most closely? China? Cambodia? meh, I guess Germany 1938 is the closest one. I hope you are aware that most countries in Europe have tight gun control laws and nobody has been rounded up yet.
throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart.
The primary purpose of the 2nd amendment is for protection against the tyrants that try to eliminate the 2nd amendment. Because the 2nd amendment is only the first amendment that tyrants will eliminate. And after tyrants have eliminated the constitution. And the only way to eliminate these things is to eliminate people who believe in them and want to keep their unalienable rights.
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The primary purpose of the 2nd amendment is for protection against the tyrants that try to eliminate the 2nd amendment. Because the 2nd amendment is only the first amendment that tyrants will eliminate. And after tyrants have eliminated the constitution. And the only way to eliminate these things is to eliminate people who believe in them and want to keep their unalienable rights.
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Oh I get it now. So which one of these does the US resemble most closely? China? Cambodia? meh, I guess Germany 1938 is the closest one. I hope you are aware that most countries in Europe have tight gun control laws and nobody has been rounded up yet.
throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart.
(Nazi) Germany wasn't part of Europe?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Let's just make sure all you gun grabbing leftist liberals know what kind of world you are proposing: In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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The primary purpose of the 2nd amendment is for protection against the tyrants that try to eliminate the 2nd amendment. Because the 2nd amendment is only the first amendment that tyrants will eliminate. And after tyrants have eliminated the constitution. And the only way to eliminate these things is to eliminate people who believe in them and want to keep their unalienable rights.
dlhale wrote:
The primary purpose of the 2nd amendment is for protection against the tyrants that try to eliminate the 2nd amendment.
Any amendment, actually. :) Before they can take the rest, they have to take away the 2nd. That's why no other amendment is attacked (right now).
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
They are tools that are exclusively designed for murder on a large scale, unlike knives, ropes and cars. There are no maurauding bands of pirates you need to fend of, and hence, you don't need cannons. The right to self-defense does not mean that you need to be able to buy submargines and jet-fighters. Like nuclear missiles - you don't need them, and you having those weapons is creating a risc. You're not allowed to take those things on a plane, because the introduction of the tool is more dangerous than those bogeymen that you claim are out to get you. Grow up.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
They are tools that are exclusively designed for murder on a large scale, unlike knives, ropes and cars.
They are not designed to "murder". Admittedly, they are designed to kill, as were knives, and clubs (we now call them bats).
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
The right to self-defense does not mean that you need to be able to buy submargines and jet-fighters.
Anybody (in the US) can own either of those things. Of course, you have to have the necessary funds and be trained to actually use them... Paul Allen (Microsoft) has his own Mig-29 Fulcrum.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Like nuclear missiles
Why do liberals always resort to reductio ad absurdum when trying to win a gun control argument?
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
more dangerous than those bogeymen that you claim are out to get you
You honestly think the government can be trusted, even after it has repeatedly displayed no propensity for honesty? Enjoy your time in the gulag.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Mike Mullikin wrote:
What does any of this have to do with your racist comment?
When all else fails, liberals play the race card. To be fair, sometimes they don't wait for all else to fail.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013So you're accusing Mike of being a liberal? :rolleyes:
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Ask them people to wait while he fetches his gun from the car?
That's called "the art of the deal".
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
