Now that you all know I have all the answers…. :)
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… let me tell you a, if not the, major component of what’s needed to solve Americas gun problems, and a few others elsewhere. (This problem just manifests itself more violently in the USA because they have the guns.) It’s not an overnight solution, because there isn’t one. It will take time. And it’s not about gun control. It’s about parenting. Start doing it. There has been a generation (and some) of kids brought up with, to all intents and purposes, no parenting. The fad nowadays is bringing up baby in a "hands-off" manner – don’t interfere with the little darling’s development, and let them find their own true selves free from interference…. It’s bollocks. Start off by teaching it in schools, as a compulsory subject alongside the 3 R’s, and ensure that the next generation of parents understands that they need to be proper parents to their children. I won’t waste time here going into what "proper parenting" is, I’m sure most of you have your own ideas anyway, except to say that it isn’t leaving your kids to bring themselves up. Children are not "little adults", they are children. Perhaps then we'll end up with fewer people growing up angry, with no self-control or empathy or understanding of the world.
I completely agree. But it's not only that there is NO parenting, there is even counter-productive parenting going on: I don't know how it is in other countries, but here in Sweden, young(ish) parents preach and teach their offspring that they are unique, that they can do whatever they want, that NOBODY can tell them what to do, that they do not need to do like everybody else etc. As a result, the kids have no respect, not for parents, adults, teachers, police, rules, proper conduct, adapting to other people etc. They do not care about others but themselves and social conduct is nowhere to be found. They do precisely what they want, when they want. The sad part is that the parents don't see that they are doin anything wrong. On the contrary, they think they're doing a good thing for their kids. Unfortunately, I think it's going to be a whole lot worse before it gets any better! :sigh:
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A_Griffin wrote:
There has been a generation (and some) of kids brought up with, to all intents and purposes, no parenting.
This has been said since the Victorian times and further back still. It's bollocks.
There is a qualitative difference this time. Previous generations have indeed complained about the next one's ideas of parenting, and often because it involve less strictness and rigidity - so far I can agree with you. But it finally reached the point whereby parenting has all but disappeared. Yes, no one wants a return to Victorian ideas of parenting, but the pendulum has swung to the opposite extreme, and it needs to swing back a bit. Zero parenting is a bad idea.
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… let me tell you a, if not the, major component of what’s needed to solve Americas gun problems, and a few others elsewhere. (This problem just manifests itself more violently in the USA because they have the guns.) It’s not an overnight solution, because there isn’t one. It will take time. And it’s not about gun control. It’s about parenting. Start doing it. There has been a generation (and some) of kids brought up with, to all intents and purposes, no parenting. The fad nowadays is bringing up baby in a "hands-off" manner – don’t interfere with the little darling’s development, and let them find their own true selves free from interference…. It’s bollocks. Start off by teaching it in schools, as a compulsory subject alongside the 3 R’s, and ensure that the next generation of parents understands that they need to be proper parents to their children. I won’t waste time here going into what "proper parenting" is, I’m sure most of you have your own ideas anyway, except to say that it isn’t leaving your kids to bring themselves up. Children are not "little adults", they are children. Perhaps then we'll end up with fewer people growing up angry, with no self-control or empathy or understanding of the world.
A_Griffin wrote:
It’s about parenting. Start doing it.
I agree, but the government has deeply inserted itself into the process of parenting, effectively tying the hands of the actual parents in terms of applying controls to their children. There's a recent story about a family whose daughter was taken away by the government because the parents would not allow here to be a transgender. There are countless stories about parents who's children are removed from their homes because the parents don't want them to be vaccinated. Follow that up with parents being forbidden from home-schooling their children in some states, and schools that control what the parents give the kids in their lunches. Where does it end? The "hands-off" paradigm is forced on parents by the progressive school systems via government programs and mandates, not to mention run-away wrong-headed political correctness.
A_Griffin wrote:
Start off by teaching it in schools, as a compulsory subject alongside the 3 R’s
I agree that the school system is broken. Math, writing, and reading should be the only things kids should be exposed to in at least the first three years of primary school. No politics, no agendas, just teach them the basics. Once they reach the 7th grade, teach them actual history, and not the generalized agenda-driven crap they're getting now. Don't centralize on the obvious inconsistencies and contradictions that the country has encountered and overcome, but when mentioning it, be prepared to discuss the topic in an agenda-free way.
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… let me tell you a, if not the, major component of what’s needed to solve Americas gun problems, and a few others elsewhere. (This problem just manifests itself more violently in the USA because they have the guns.) It’s not an overnight solution, because there isn’t one. It will take time. And it’s not about gun control. It’s about parenting. Start doing it. There has been a generation (and some) of kids brought up with, to all intents and purposes, no parenting. The fad nowadays is bringing up baby in a "hands-off" manner – don’t interfere with the little darling’s development, and let them find their own true selves free from interference…. It’s bollocks. Start off by teaching it in schools, as a compulsory subject alongside the 3 R’s, and ensure that the next generation of parents understands that they need to be proper parents to their children. I won’t waste time here going into what "proper parenting" is, I’m sure most of you have your own ideas anyway, except to say that it isn’t leaving your kids to bring themselves up. Children are not "little adults", they are children. Perhaps then we'll end up with fewer people growing up angry, with no self-control or empathy or understanding of the world.
There are a lot of people not parenting - instead being very selfish with their time, while expecting day-care, school, and electronic devices to take care of their kids. However, I expect the parents to teach the kids to be parents! That is parenting, and part of guiding a child into adulthood.
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A_Griffin wrote:
It’s about parenting. Start doing it.
I agree, but the government has deeply inserted itself into the process of parenting, effectively tying the hands of the actual parents in terms of applying controls to their children. There's a recent story about a family whose daughter was taken away by the government because the parents would not allow here to be a transgender. There are countless stories about parents who's children are removed from their homes because the parents don't want them to be vaccinated. Follow that up with parents being forbidden from home-schooling their children in some states, and schools that control what the parents give the kids in their lunches. Where does it end? The "hands-off" paradigm is forced on parents by the progressive school systems via government programs and mandates, not to mention run-away wrong-headed political correctness.
A_Griffin wrote:
Start off by teaching it in schools, as a compulsory subject alongside the 3 R’s
I agree that the school system is broken. Math, writing, and reading should be the only things kids should be exposed to in at least the first three years of primary school. No politics, no agendas, just teach them the basics. Once they reach the 7th grade, teach them actual history, and not the generalized agenda-driven crap they're getting now. Don't centralize on the obvious inconsistencies and contradictions that the country has encountered and overcome, but when mentioning it, be prepared to discuss the topic in an agenda-free way.
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I agree, but the government has deeply inserted itself into the process of parenting
Some of that; though, is due to lack of parenting, in my opinion.
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… let me tell you a, if not the, major component of what’s needed to solve Americas gun problems, and a few others elsewhere. (This problem just manifests itself more violently in the USA because they have the guns.) It’s not an overnight solution, because there isn’t one. It will take time. And it’s not about gun control. It’s about parenting. Start doing it. There has been a generation (and some) of kids brought up with, to all intents and purposes, no parenting. The fad nowadays is bringing up baby in a "hands-off" manner – don’t interfere with the little darling’s development, and let them find their own true selves free from interference…. It’s bollocks. Start off by teaching it in schools, as a compulsory subject alongside the 3 R’s, and ensure that the next generation of parents understands that they need to be proper parents to their children. I won’t waste time here going into what "proper parenting" is, I’m sure most of you have your own ideas anyway, except to say that it isn’t leaving your kids to bring themselves up. Children are not "little adults", they are children. Perhaps then we'll end up with fewer people growing up angry, with no self-control or empathy or understanding of the world.
I'm not sure how it is outside of the US, but in the US there are not that many homes (percentage wise) where there is a stay at home mom. Parents are offloading the raising of their children to day cares. So, we cannot complain about misbehaving children when we are not even willing to raise them. I know some of you will read a lot more into this and get offended, and if so, don't bother replying.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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There are a lot of people not parenting - instead being very selfish with their time, while expecting day-care, school, and electronic devices to take care of their kids. However, I expect the parents to teach the kids to be parents! That is parenting, and part of guiding a child into adulthood.
Pualee wrote:
electronic devices to take care of their kids.
That's nothing new[^]... :doh:
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… let me tell you a, if not the, major component of what’s needed to solve Americas gun problems, and a few others elsewhere. (This problem just manifests itself more violently in the USA because they have the guns.) It’s not an overnight solution, because there isn’t one. It will take time. And it’s not about gun control. It’s about parenting. Start doing it. There has been a generation (and some) of kids brought up with, to all intents and purposes, no parenting. The fad nowadays is bringing up baby in a "hands-off" manner – don’t interfere with the little darling’s development, and let them find their own true selves free from interference…. It’s bollocks. Start off by teaching it in schools, as a compulsory subject alongside the 3 R’s, and ensure that the next generation of parents understands that they need to be proper parents to their children. I won’t waste time here going into what "proper parenting" is, I’m sure most of you have your own ideas anyway, except to say that it isn’t leaving your kids to bring themselves up. Children are not "little adults", they are children. Perhaps then we'll end up with fewer people growing up angry, with no self-control or empathy or understanding of the world.
A_Griffin wrote:
It’s about parenting.
But the parents are gun toting lunatics. It probably IS parenting that is the cause.
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I'm not sure how it is outside of the US, but in the US there are not that many homes (percentage wise) where there is a stay at home mom. Parents are offloading the raising of their children to day cares. So, we cannot complain about misbehaving children when we are not even willing to raise them. I know some of you will read a lot more into this and get offended, and if so, don't bother replying.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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… let me tell you a, if not the, major component of what’s needed to solve Americas gun problems, and a few others elsewhere. (This problem just manifests itself more violently in the USA because they have the guns.) It’s not an overnight solution, because there isn’t one. It will take time. And it’s not about gun control. It’s about parenting. Start doing it. There has been a generation (and some) of kids brought up with, to all intents and purposes, no parenting. The fad nowadays is bringing up baby in a "hands-off" manner – don’t interfere with the little darling’s development, and let them find their own true selves free from interference…. It’s bollocks. Start off by teaching it in schools, as a compulsory subject alongside the 3 R’s, and ensure that the next generation of parents understands that they need to be proper parents to their children. I won’t waste time here going into what "proper parenting" is, I’m sure most of you have your own ideas anyway, except to say that it isn’t leaving your kids to bring themselves up. Children are not "little adults", they are children. Perhaps then we'll end up with fewer people growing up angry, with no self-control or empathy or understanding of the world.
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… let me tell you a, if not the, major component of what’s needed to solve Americas gun problems, and a few others elsewhere. (This problem just manifests itself more violently in the USA because they have the guns.) It’s not an overnight solution, because there isn’t one. It will take time. And it’s not about gun control. It’s about parenting. Start doing it. There has been a generation (and some) of kids brought up with, to all intents and purposes, no parenting. The fad nowadays is bringing up baby in a "hands-off" manner – don’t interfere with the little darling’s development, and let them find their own true selves free from interference…. It’s bollocks. Start off by teaching it in schools, as a compulsory subject alongside the 3 R’s, and ensure that the next generation of parents understands that they need to be proper parents to their children. I won’t waste time here going into what "proper parenting" is, I’m sure most of you have your own ideas anyway, except to say that it isn’t leaving your kids to bring themselves up. Children are not "little adults", they are children. Perhaps then we'll end up with fewer people growing up angry, with no self-control or empathy or understanding of the world.
Just read somewhere (can't find it) that 6 of the last 7 US school shootings were done by kids from single parent households. Is that a coincidence? Relevant or Irrelevant? Is anybody even willing to look at that though? Best remedy I have heard is the one that said - Go make friends with the loner in your school or office - because people are unlikely to shoot up a place where their friends are. But of course that solution doesn't involve some big government "do-something" program, and requires effort on every ones part so it will never fly.
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Freedom doesn't mean the absence of things you don't like. Dave
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… let me tell you a, if not the, major component of what’s needed to solve Americas gun problems, and a few others elsewhere. (This problem just manifests itself more violently in the USA because they have the guns.) It’s not an overnight solution, because there isn’t one. It will take time. And it’s not about gun control. It’s about parenting. Start doing it. There has been a generation (and some) of kids brought up with, to all intents and purposes, no parenting. The fad nowadays is bringing up baby in a "hands-off" manner – don’t interfere with the little darling’s development, and let them find their own true selves free from interference…. It’s bollocks. Start off by teaching it in schools, as a compulsory subject alongside the 3 R’s, and ensure that the next generation of parents understands that they need to be proper parents to their children. I won’t waste time here going into what "proper parenting" is, I’m sure most of you have your own ideas anyway, except to say that it isn’t leaving your kids to bring themselves up. Children are not "little adults", they are children. Perhaps then we'll end up with fewer people growing up angry, with no self-control or empathy or understanding of the world.
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O tempora, o mores. 195. Socrates (469-399 B.C.). Respectfully Quoted: A Dictionary of Quotations. 1989[^].
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"Our earth is degenerate in these latter days; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; and the end of the world is evidently approaching. " --Assyrian clay tablet 2800 B.C
Allegedly. :)
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… let me tell you a, if not the, major component of what’s needed to solve Americas gun problems, and a few others elsewhere. (This problem just manifests itself more violently in the USA because they have the guns.) It’s not an overnight solution, because there isn’t one. It will take time. And it’s not about gun control. It’s about parenting. Start doing it. There has been a generation (and some) of kids brought up with, to all intents and purposes, no parenting. The fad nowadays is bringing up baby in a "hands-off" manner – don’t interfere with the little darling’s development, and let them find their own true selves free from interference…. It’s bollocks. Start off by teaching it in schools, as a compulsory subject alongside the 3 R’s, and ensure that the next generation of parents understands that they need to be proper parents to their children. I won’t waste time here going into what "proper parenting" is, I’m sure most of you have your own ideas anyway, except to say that it isn’t leaving your kids to bring themselves up. Children are not "little adults", they are children. Perhaps then we'll end up with fewer people growing up angry, with no self-control or empathy or understanding of the world.
Oh dear... I always have to pull out the quote from Socrates when some older wise person starts having a go at young people: “The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.”(Socrates circa 400BC) It's as though some people were never young, it's boring and unimaginative to criticise the young for being young.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
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Oh dear... I always have to pull out the quote from Socrates when some older wise person starts having a go at young people: “The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.”(Socrates circa 400BC) It's as though some people were never young, it's boring and unimaginative to criticise the young for being young.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Oh dear... I always have to pull out the quote from Socrates when some older wise person starts having a go at young people: “The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.”(Socrates circa 400BC) It's as though some people were never young, it's boring and unimaginative to criticise the young for being young.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
It's not a question of not understanding the youth of today, it's a question of how we raise our children, and it's boring and unimaginative to dismiss any criticism with that old quote from Socrates. There is a trend towards laissez-faire parenting, and I think it's wrong - I certainly don't think it's wrong to question it.
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… let me tell you a, if not the, major component of what’s needed to solve Americas gun problems, and a few others elsewhere. (This problem just manifests itself more violently in the USA because they have the guns.) It’s not an overnight solution, because there isn’t one. It will take time. And it’s not about gun control. It’s about parenting. Start doing it. There has been a generation (and some) of kids brought up with, to all intents and purposes, no parenting. The fad nowadays is bringing up baby in a "hands-off" manner – don’t interfere with the little darling’s development, and let them find their own true selves free from interference…. It’s bollocks. Start off by teaching it in schools, as a compulsory subject alongside the 3 R’s, and ensure that the next generation of parents understands that they need to be proper parents to their children. I won’t waste time here going into what "proper parenting" is, I’m sure most of you have your own ideas anyway, except to say that it isn’t leaving your kids to bring themselves up. Children are not "little adults", they are children. Perhaps then we'll end up with fewer people growing up angry, with no self-control or empathy or understanding of the world.
A_Griffin wrote:
Perhaps then we'll end up with fewer people growing up angry, with no self-control or empathy or understanding of the world.
Yep. Nothing like the good ol' days when a white fellar could kick the hell out of the wife, beat the kids with a nice hefty branch from the tree in the backyard, then trundle off down to the bar where he could get liquored up, stop off to see the mistress and then join the local police for a late nice shit kickin' on the newest minority to move into town. Just to keep them in their place of course. And if he or the police got too liquored up to safely drive home then the other friendly police would look the other way as the careened down the street back to the 'castle'. Sigh..memories...