Which is best?
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A_Griffin wrote:
Yeah, but they didn't really, did they? Develop, I mean. Most of them were exactly the same character at the end of series
Based upon that comment, it's clear that you've never seen Babylon 5 and are mistaking it for something else.
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"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Gosh, I didn't know that - poor bloke. My only other niggly gripe with the series was that I thought they kind of wasted Susan Ivanova - she was a great character, and the only one with any real sense of humour. I kind of wish they'd made use of her (and that aspect of her) a bit more - if the series had a fault it's maybe that it took itself a bit too seriously. But I don't mean to be too mean about it - I really enjoyed it at the time, and it was far superior to anything else in the genre at that point.
They did give her some damn good quotes:
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"Ivanova is always right. I will listen to Ivanova. I will not ignore Ivanova's recommendations. Ivanova is God. And if this ever happens again, Ivanova will personally rip your lungs out.
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Good luck, Captain. I think you are about to go where everyone has gone before.
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In its day Babylon 5 beat them all, but then BSG surpassed it. The only flaw with B5, to my mind (other than the truly dreadful acting by Jeffrey Sinclair in season one - they got rid of him after that thank god) was that the story arc progressed far too slowly... ..and before either of those, of course, there was Blake's 7... now there was a series ahead of its time...
At the urging of a friend of mine, I tried to watch B5 during its initial run, and actually gave it more than a fair chance and watched its entire first season. I thought it was just dreadful. I'm more of a Trekker, and even though each incarnation's early seasons had their stinkers, they at least had a few episodes here and there that made it worth sticking with them. By contrast, I found no redeemable quality in B5. It must be something specific about J. Michael Straczynski, because - I'm not exaggerating - I also watched both Jeremiah and Sense8 (or tried to watch them) and, without ever realizing he was actually involved, my first thought in each instance was that "this is bad on Babylon 5 level". Seems like I can somehow smell this guy's work a mile away.
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I've watched the whole series twice. The only character that really developed any was Lyta Alexander. The rest... nope. They stayed the same from start to finish.
No, they didn't. G'Kar? Started a bit of a hate filled buffoon - ended up a spiritual leader preaching peace (who strangled an emperor for very good reasons) Londo? Two dimensional idiot, who did what he had to regardless of what was going to happen to him in the end. They all grew as characters into "real people" rather than the cardboard cut-outs you get in most series, particularly science fiction (Dr Who take note).
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For me, there are really only 4 TV/film sci-fi franchises: Dr Who Star Trek Star Wars Stargate I'm not that keen on Star Wars and some of the early Dr Who is pretty poor. Been watching some early Stargate and it was very good. Which is your favorite? Have I missed any? Honorable mention: Firefly/Serenity. Would have been the best of the best. Sigh. [EDIT] To clarify: I mean shows where there are both TV and film episodes as well as spin-off or secondary series (like Torchwood).
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Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Babylon 5 - hard to find a close second
. . . reverential gap . . .
Dr Who - the early ones (up through Dr. No. 6) (not the '2005' franchise).
- particularly bad are the xmas specials.
Star Trek - as long as we pretend "Voyager, with Captain Mommy" never existed
- also, anything with "Q" sucks, as wellsome up-and-comers include:
Preacher.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
If you like early Trek, have you seen StarTrekContinues[^]? It's a little jarring at first, seeing different actors in the familiar roles. But it actually does a pretty good imitation of TOS. :) It's also fun looking out for the cameos - James Doohan's son as Scotty; Marina Sirtis and Michael Dorn as computer voices; Colin Baker as an alien; and I'm sure there are several others I've missed.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Sure you have missed a lot, but in this case I don't even know if an English version ever existed: Raumpatrouille Orion[^] The commander notoriously disobeys orders and is a general pain in the rear for his superiors, but gets away with it (most of the time). Too bad they only made eight episodes, more like a mini series.
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I remember that series well, it was on Dutch television in the seventies I think. For that time it was fantastic !
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At the urging of a friend of mine, I tried to watch B5 during its initial run, and actually gave it more than a fair chance and watched its entire first season. I thought it was just dreadful. I'm more of a Trekker, and even though each incarnation's early seasons had their stinkers, they at least had a few episodes here and there that made it worth sticking with them. By contrast, I found no redeemable quality in B5. It must be something specific about J. Michael Straczynski, because - I'm not exaggerating - I also watched both Jeremiah and Sense8 (or tried to watch them) and, without ever realizing he was actually involved, my first thought in each instance was that "this is bad on Babylon 5 level". Seems like I can somehow smell this guy's work a mile away.
Season One was dreadful - really, it was pretty poor. But unfortunately you really need to plod through it to get the most out of the rest - and, my own criticisms notwithstanding, it does improve, greatly. Personally I found Star Trek boring, and poorly acted. Voyager was alright, at least it had some more interesting characters and a sense of humour, but none of the rest of the ST franchise does much for me.
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I really like The Expanse, whose third season is planned to air on April, 11th. A story where Earth is confronted to two other entities who arose upon space conquest: Mars, and its military-based society, and the people living in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. If you did not see it yet, you may enjoy it.
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If it follows the books, hold on to your hat: things are about to get interesting. :D
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I remember that series well, it was on Dutch television in the seventies I think. For that time it was fantastic !
It's a bit dated now, but it was all about the characters and not about special effects.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
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For me, there are really only 4 TV/film sci-fi franchises: Dr Who Star Trek Star Wars Stargate I'm not that keen on Star Wars and some of the early Dr Who is pretty poor. Been watching some early Stargate and it was very good. Which is your favorite? Have I missed any? Honorable mention: Firefly/Serenity. Would have been the best of the best. Sigh. [EDIT] To clarify: I mean shows where there are both TV and film episodes as well as spin-off or secondary series (like Torchwood).
Keep your friends close. Keep Kill your enemies closer. The End
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If you like early Trek, have you seen StarTrekContinues[^]? It's a little jarring at first, seeing different actors in the familiar roles. But it actually does a pretty good imitation of TOS. :) It's also fun looking out for the cameos - James Doohan's son as Scotty; Marina Sirtis and Michael Dorn as computer voices; Colin Baker as an alien; and I'm sure there are several others I've missed.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
I actually posted about it earlier: The Lounge[^] Only 1 through 8, so far - Mrs. Wife liked it, too. [And, of course, the remembered to keep the same uniforms]
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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For me, there are really only 4 TV/film sci-fi franchises: Dr Who Star Trek Star Wars Stargate I'm not that keen on Star Wars and some of the early Dr Who is pretty poor. Been watching some early Stargate and it was very good. Which is your favorite? Have I missed any? Honorable mention: Firefly/Serenity. Would have been the best of the best. Sigh. [EDIT] To clarify: I mean shows where there are both TV and film episodes as well as spin-off or secondary series (like Torchwood).
Keep your friends close. Keep Kill your enemies closer. The End
You missed Battlestar Galactica :omg: If you have not seen it(the recent version not the 70's version) you are missing out on some excellent sci-fi storytelling. I stopped watching Doctor Who when it became overly political with regards to being overly conscious of and ramming gender politics down my throat(but that's the BBC for you...).
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― Christopher Hitchens
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If it follows the books, hold on to your hat: things are about to get interesting. :D
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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You missed Battlestar Galactica :omg: If you have not seen it(the recent version not the 70's version) you are missing out on some excellent sci-fi storytelling. I stopped watching Doctor Who when it became overly political with regards to being overly conscious of and ramming gender politics down my throat(but that's the BBC for you...).
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
It was great. Until the last episode. and that dumb ass ending. :thumbsdown:
Keep your friends close. Keep Kill your enemies closer. The End
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For me, there are really only 4 TV/film sci-fi franchises: Dr Who Star Trek Star Wars Stargate I'm not that keen on Star Wars and some of the early Dr Who is pretty poor. Been watching some early Stargate and it was very good. Which is your favorite? Have I missed any? Honorable mention: Firefly/Serenity. Would have been the best of the best. Sigh. [EDIT] To clarify: I mean shows where there are both TV and film episodes as well as spin-off or secondary series (like Torchwood).
Keep your friends close. Keep Kill your enemies closer. The End
THHGTTG of course. (He said, ruining the reply count of 42.)
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For me, there are really only 4 TV/film sci-fi franchises: Dr Who Star Trek Star Wars Stargate I'm not that keen on Star Wars and some of the early Dr Who is pretty poor. Been watching some early Stargate and it was very good. Which is your favorite? Have I missed any? Honorable mention: Firefly/Serenity. Would have been the best of the best. Sigh. [EDIT] To clarify: I mean shows where there are both TV and film episodes as well as spin-off or secondary series (like Torchwood).
Keep your friends close. Keep Kill your enemies closer. The End
I returned my Star Wars fan card after seeing this: [Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Luke Skywalker's Breast Milk - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC4A7y7ONoI) And I will never ever buy, rent, see or otherwise waste money on that particular movie franchise and you should too. BTW: this rant compilation: [Star Wars: The Last Jedi - RANT COMPILATION REVIEW - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evv6IZiKhXk) is way more entertaining than the actual movie.
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Enterprise is pretty good - first Enterprise in space didn't even have big phasers on the ship - captain didn't always take the high-road; much more human - no prime directive - no federation - sort of a prequel Also, I've seen 1-8 of "Star Trek Continues[^]"
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I used to like Enterprise, but it's getting more and more childish with every episode. :(
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For me, there are really only 4 TV/film sci-fi franchises: Dr Who Star Trek Star Wars Stargate I'm not that keen on Star Wars and some of the early Dr Who is pretty poor. Been watching some early Stargate and it was very good. Which is your favorite? Have I missed any? Honorable mention: Firefly/Serenity. Would have been the best of the best. Sigh. [EDIT] To clarify: I mean shows where there are both TV and film episodes as well as spin-off or secondary series (like Torchwood).
Keep your friends close. Keep Kill your enemies closer. The End
Another honorable mention: "Blake's 7". They have the best space ship ever. And the most powerful super computer. :) I'm sure they can vaporize Starfleet starship, or Imperial Super Star Destroyer. Together. Using just one blast. While plying chest with Oracle :-D
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I returned my Star Wars fan card after seeing this: [Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Luke Skywalker's Breast Milk - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC4A7y7ONoI) And I will never ever buy, rent, see or otherwise waste money on that particular movie franchise and you should too. BTW: this rant compilation: [Star Wars: The Last Jedi - RANT COMPILATION REVIEW - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evv6IZiKhXk) is way more entertaining than the actual movie.
throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart.
Now you need to be strong: George Lucas Tells Final Star Wars Wish To J.J. Abrams[^]
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
