Debate : Standard v Phillips (Allen, Torx)
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The chain-tightener on my chain saw uses a 'slot' screw and I use a manual screw driver - much less chance of 'stripping' the screw and rendering a piece of equipment useless.
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Do you mean "Phillips", or "Posidrive"? They need different bits as the angles are different. Use the wrong one, and you will chew up the head every time... [^] Intersetignly, Posidrive was partial developed and is partly owned by ... Phillips. :laugh: There is also Torx, Allen, Robertson, ClutchDrive, and a wide range of oddball "security screws" - including a number that are "tighten only"! Slotted are cheaper to make, and are useful for "historic jobs" where they should match existing screws - except in my Mercedes where the battery is under the drivers feet and accessed via a slotted screw that opens with a coin...
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OriginalGriff wrote:
Do you mean "Phillips", or "Posidrive"?
I knew whatever I called phillips and slotted that someone would mention some other name. I did my best to look it up but it seems a lot of people refer to them as phillips. This is a good article / video: Quick Tip: Know Your Screwdrivers (Hint: It's Not a "Flathead!") | Make:[^]
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Here's the question up for debate:
Debate
Why would any modern product use a standard (aka flat head) screw, which requires a standard (flat head) screw driver?
Standard screws are far more difficult to use in a modern era where we have power screw drivers which spin at high RPMs. If you've ever tried this you know that a standard (or slotted screw) will quickly get off balance with each rotation which really creates a challenge. The very least that should be substituted would be the Phillips (+) type. It's much more balanced. I can see using a allen type or Torx or whatever but I just can't understand why slotted would still be used. Why are slotted screws still being produced? In my thinking they should outlaw them to save the sanity anyone who owns a toolbox. :) How many billions $$$ could be saved by such a change? :rolleyes: Counterpoint? Anyone with a counterpoint on why slotted is still valid?
That's why I always use Arthur's Head screws.
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That's why I always use Arthur's Head screws.
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Here's the question up for debate:
Debate
Why would any modern product use a standard (aka flat head) screw, which requires a standard (flat head) screw driver?
Standard screws are far more difficult to use in a modern era where we have power screw drivers which spin at high RPMs. If you've ever tried this you know that a standard (or slotted screw) will quickly get off balance with each rotation which really creates a challenge. The very least that should be substituted would be the Phillips (+) type. It's much more balanced. I can see using a allen type or Torx or whatever but I just can't understand why slotted would still be used. Why are slotted screws still being produced? In my thinking they should outlaw them to save the sanity anyone who owns a toolbox. :) How many billions $$$ could be saved by such a change? :rolleyes: Counterpoint? Anyone with a counterpoint on why slotted is still valid?
When I was a kid, we undid screws with a "Standard" kitchen butter knife. Try doing that with one of those phillips-type screws. Even today, I have an amazingly hard time finding a phillips screwdriver in my home, but I know that standard screw will come out whether I have a screwdriver or not.
Brent
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Here's the question up for debate:
Debate
Why would any modern product use a standard (aka flat head) screw, which requires a standard (flat head) screw driver?
Standard screws are far more difficult to use in a modern era where we have power screw drivers which spin at high RPMs. If you've ever tried this you know that a standard (or slotted screw) will quickly get off balance with each rotation which really creates a challenge. The very least that should be substituted would be the Phillips (+) type. It's much more balanced. I can see using a allen type or Torx or whatever but I just can't understand why slotted would still be used. Why are slotted screws still being produced? In my thinking they should outlaw them to save the sanity anyone who owns a toolbox. :) How many billions $$$ could be saved by such a change? :rolleyes: Counterpoint? Anyone with a counterpoint on why slotted is still valid?
You nailed it.
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When I was a kid, we undid screws with a "Standard" kitchen butter knife. Try doing that with one of those phillips-type screws. Even today, I have an amazingly hard time finding a phillips screwdriver in my home, but I know that standard screw will come out whether I have a screwdriver or not.
Brent
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I take out my Dremmel Moto-tool and cut a slot into all the stripped phillips, Torx, and Allen head screws so I can get the damn things out. That's why.
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Use a Robertson screw. If you strip one of those you reaaaaally over-torqued it.
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Others get upset about calling them "flat head". Quick Tip: Know Your Screwdrivers (Hint: It's Not a "Flathead!") | Make:[^] :)
"(slotted screw)-driver" i.e. not "slotted-(screw driver)" It's all in the nuances.
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Here's the question up for debate:
Debate
Why would any modern product use a standard (aka flat head) screw, which requires a standard (flat head) screw driver?
Standard screws are far more difficult to use in a modern era where we have power screw drivers which spin at high RPMs. If you've ever tried this you know that a standard (or slotted screw) will quickly get off balance with each rotation which really creates a challenge. The very least that should be substituted would be the Phillips (+) type. It's much more balanced. I can see using a allen type or Torx or whatever but I just can't understand why slotted would still be used. Why are slotted screws still being produced? In my thinking they should outlaw them to save the sanity anyone who owns a toolbox. :) How many billions $$$ could be saved by such a change? :rolleyes: Counterpoint? Anyone with a counterpoint on why slotted is still valid?
Simple. "Why would any modern product use a standard screw ... etc?" No modern product would use a standard screw. Any product using a standard screw is unevolved and neanderthalian. Natural selection, in it's most intelligent up- to-date form, socially darwinistic and all/etc, dictates that the evolution of the mind of the user enables this more informed buyer to make the right decision with respect to PURCHASING the engineered product that is more highly evolved. Economically, supply and demand takes over in this case. To do the math with respect to the genetic algorithm that generates the extinction of the standard screwdriver will be left to the high-minded developer who has the knowledge to implement it and test in realtime the actual blip on the radar which signals that event has really passed. In other words, extinction hasn't happened yet but venture capitalists will make sure that it does. Unless of course what you mean by "modern" is really some clock on some Roman soldiers villa wall.
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Simple. "Why would any modern product use a standard screw ... etc?" No modern product would use a standard screw. Any product using a standard screw is unevolved and neanderthalian. Natural selection, in it's most intelligent up- to-date form, socially darwinistic and all/etc, dictates that the evolution of the mind of the user enables this more informed buyer to make the right decision with respect to PURCHASING the engineered product that is more highly evolved. Economically, supply and demand takes over in this case. To do the math with respect to the genetic algorithm that generates the extinction of the standard screwdriver will be left to the high-minded developer who has the knowledge to implement it and test in realtime the actual blip on the radar which signals that event has really passed. In other words, extinction hasn't happened yet but venture capitalists will make sure that it does. Unless of course what you mean by "modern" is really some clock on some Roman soldiers villa wall.
Ergo, don't friggin' call it "standard"!
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Simple. "Why would any modern product use a standard screw ... etc?" No modern product would use a standard screw. Any product using a standard screw is unevolved and neanderthalian. Natural selection, in it's most intelligent up- to-date form, socially darwinistic and all/etc, dictates that the evolution of the mind of the user enables this more informed buyer to make the right decision with respect to PURCHASING the engineered product that is more highly evolved. Economically, supply and demand takes over in this case. To do the math with respect to the genetic algorithm that generates the extinction of the standard screwdriver will be left to the high-minded developer who has the knowledge to implement it and test in realtime the actual blip on the radar which signals that event has really passed. In other words, extinction hasn't happened yet but venture capitalists will make sure that it does. Unless of course what you mean by "modern" is really some clock on some Roman soldiers villa wall.
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Ergo, don't friggin' call it "standard"!
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I agree entirely and at least 95.2% (considering all standard deviation units). I believe this will fundamentally change AI in ways that haven't been foretold yet. No one can disagree.
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not forgetting hex, (and if you're smart you'll use wira bits for those).
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not forgetting hex, (and if you're smart you'll use wira bits for those).
As Griff said, Allen, the correct name for them.
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Here's the question up for debate:
Debate
Why would any modern product use a standard (aka flat head) screw, which requires a standard (flat head) screw driver?
Standard screws are far more difficult to use in a modern era where we have power screw drivers which spin at high RPMs. If you've ever tried this you know that a standard (or slotted screw) will quickly get off balance with each rotation which really creates a challenge. The very least that should be substituted would be the Phillips (+) type. It's much more balanced. I can see using a allen type or Torx or whatever but I just can't understand why slotted would still be used. Why are slotted screws still being produced? In my thinking they should outlaw them to save the sanity anyone who owns a toolbox. :) How many billions $$$ could be saved by such a change? :rolleyes: Counterpoint? Anyone with a counterpoint on why slotted is still valid?
Slotted: easy to rebuild the slot in case it gets damaged. Philips: you can apply much more torque in case the srew gets stuck. The others: f*** them, their sons, their ancestors, their dogs and their teeth. Good as they may be you are certifiably 100% lacking the proper tool to disassemble them.
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Here's the question up for debate:
Debate
Why would any modern product use a standard (aka flat head) screw, which requires a standard (flat head) screw driver?
Standard screws are far more difficult to use in a modern era where we have power screw drivers which spin at high RPMs. If you've ever tried this you know that a standard (or slotted screw) will quickly get off balance with each rotation which really creates a challenge. The very least that should be substituted would be the Phillips (+) type. It's much more balanced. I can see using a allen type or Torx or whatever but I just can't understand why slotted would still be used. Why are slotted screws still being produced? In my thinking they should outlaw them to save the sanity anyone who owns a toolbox. :) How many billions $$$ could be saved by such a change? :rolleyes: Counterpoint? Anyone with a counterpoint on why slotted is still valid?
Look, if you have ever tried a TRUE Robertson ALL the rest are painful. Note: Not to be confused with the inferior square heads. What is the difference? The taper which effectively locks the driver in to the screw head. When you think about it is so obviously the best way. Slots, Philips, etc. all chatter to some degree - even Allen keys. Even a cheaply made screw is held tightly because of the fundamental design - a taper.
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Here's the question up for debate:
Debate
Why would any modern product use a standard (aka flat head) screw, which requires a standard (flat head) screw driver?
Standard screws are far more difficult to use in a modern era where we have power screw drivers which spin at high RPMs. If you've ever tried this you know that a standard (or slotted screw) will quickly get off balance with each rotation which really creates a challenge. The very least that should be substituted would be the Phillips (+) type. It's much more balanced. I can see using a allen type or Torx or whatever but I just can't understand why slotted would still be used. Why are slotted screws still being produced? In my thinking they should outlaw them to save the sanity anyone who owns a toolbox. :) How many billions $$$ could be saved by such a change? :rolleyes: Counterpoint? Anyone with a counterpoint on why slotted is still valid?
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Look, if you have ever tried a TRUE Robertson ALL the rest are painful. Note: Not to be confused with the inferior square heads. What is the difference? The taper which effectively locks the driver in to the screw head. When you think about it is so obviously the best way. Slots, Philips, etc. all chatter to some degree - even Allen keys. Even a cheaply made screw is held tightly because of the fundamental design - a taper.
