Animal rights
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I could google it, but I'd prefer to have a discussion to help me learn something. So, PETA and others believe animals should have the same rights as humans. But on what basis? Just because they are also living creatures? But then that would extend to plants and insects as well. I asked the other day but did not get an answer so I wonder if anyone is a PETA supporter or knows the answer.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
"Human rights" is a very nebulous term for me. Take the "human right" of having a shelter - well there are plenty of people on the streets who are not having that right fulfilled. How about the right to clean drinking water - again there are millions of people who are having that right violated. Freedom? Well there are plenty of people in prisons who have their freedom's limited in order to protect others It's a useful term for opening up a dialogue but without being specific it has little meaning to me. Whereas responsibilities do have meaning and value to me - so I have a responsibility of treating others well, of not destroying life capriciously, of helping others if I have the capacity to do so among many responsibilities I have.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Animals don't have rights per se, but humans can reason, and act on that reasoning. Therefore, it is incumbent on humans to treat animals humanely. Even if a given society consumes various animals as a food source, they should still act humanely towards the animals they consume, simply because humans have the capacity for humane treatment.
Although I agree, that is not PETA's reasoning. But, again, why treat animals humanely, but not insects or plants. Why the distinction?
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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But, again, why treat animals humanely, but not insects or plants. Why the distinction?
Cite where PETA's views on insects differ from "non-pest" animals? This is just another straw-man argument. Maybe you should just take time out to educate yourself on a topic rather than looking to discuss things that are not relevant?
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I could google it, but I'd prefer to have a discussion to help me learn something. So, PETA and others believe animals should have the same rights as humans. But on what basis? Just because they are also living creatures? But then that would extend to plants and insects as well. I asked the other day but did not get an answer so I wonder if anyone is a PETA supporter or knows the answer.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
rights? YES same rights? NO Why: [The discussion on this picture](https://media.pri.org/s3fs-public/styles/story\_main/public/story/images/One-of-the-photos-taken-b-013.jpg?itok=Ucx2FCFi) for one. The ape in question has nothing to lose or gain for having the rights on the image. In fact, it will probably don't have a clue that it actually made a selfie. If you continue down this path you could argue that any picture taken of any creature should be with the consent of the subject itself eg. :~
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Funny, I usually play [this game](https://www.silvergames.com/en/whack-your-boss) to counter my anger. It kinda works :laugh:
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I could google it, but I'd prefer to have a discussion to help me learn something. So, PETA and others believe animals should have the same rights as humans. But on what basis? Just because they are also living creatures? But then that would extend to plants and insects as well. I asked the other day but did not get an answer so I wonder if anyone is a PETA supporter or knows the answer.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
All animals already have the same natural rights: consume, be consumed, compete to reproduce. I think that's the full list.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
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Funny, I usually play [this game](https://www.silvergames.com/en/whack-your-boss) to counter my anger. It kinda works :laugh:
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but... but... being self-employed, I'm my own boss!! Reminds me of one of Stanislav Lem's "Star Diaries" stories - one of the funniest things I've ever read. He gets caught in a time warp/loop and keeps meeting versions of himself from different days. He argues with his "tomorrow" self and hits him - but not too hard because he know that in 24 hours he'll be on the receiving end of it!! :)
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011111100010 wrote:
But, again, why treat animals humanely, but not insects or plants. Why the distinction?
Cite where PETA's views on insects differ from "non-pest" animals? This is just another straw-man argument. Maybe you should just take time out to educate yourself on a topic rather than looking to discuss things that are not relevant?
I think you're just being purposely obtuse. I'm flattered you keep responding and trying to take this in other directions, but it's getting boring.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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rights? YES same rights? NO Why: [The discussion on this picture](https://media.pri.org/s3fs-public/styles/story\_main/public/story/images/One-of-the-photos-taken-b-013.jpg?itok=Ucx2FCFi) for one. The ape in question has nothing to lose or gain for having the rights on the image. In fact, it will probably don't have a clue that it actually made a selfie. If you continue down this path you could argue that any picture taken of any creature should be with the consent of the subject itself eg. :~
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Again, you are taking it way too literal. :doh:
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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If you meant your post as "not serious" you could argue to use the joke type message. :rolleyes:
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Nope. I did not mean or even imply that PETA thinks animals should have the right to get a drivers license, or get married, or get a library card, etc. And you knew that.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Nope. I did not mean or even imply that PETA thinks animals should have the right to get a drivers license, or get married, or get a library card, etc. And you knew that.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I think you're just being purposely obtuse. I'm flattered you keep responding and trying to take this in other directions, but it's getting boring.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
And I think you're just trolling.
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And I think you're just trolling.
I'm OK with you thinking that. You're wrong, but I'm pretty sure you've made up your mind and you are one of those that when told they are wrong, insist that they are not.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I'm OK with you thinking that. You're wrong, but I'm pretty sure you've made up your mind and you are one of those that when told they are wrong, insist that they are not.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
I'm accusing you of being a troll for your own good, the alternative explanation is probably worse.
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I'm accusing you of being a troll for your own good, the alternative explanation is probably worse.
So, I was right. When you are told that you have misjudged someone's intentions you still think you are right. That level of arrogance is one I cannot fathom.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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So, I was right. When you are told that you have misjudged someone's intentions you still think you are right. That level of arrogance is one I cannot fathom.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
You need to work on your comprehension skills. It seems PETA aren't the only ones you've failed to understand.
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Clearly not!
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I could google it, but I'd prefer to have a discussion to help me learn something. So, PETA and others believe animals should have the same rights as humans. But on what basis? Just because they are also living creatures? But then that would extend to plants and insects as well. I asked the other day but did not get an answer so I wonder if anyone is a PETA supporter or knows the answer.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
011111100010 wrote:
So, PETA and others believe animals should have the same rights as humans
As with everything absolutism is never correct. Some activists believe animals should have more rights. Probably claiming stewardship. I think a very few think that humans should just all die. Many want to promote humans as vegans. But others are ok with vegetarianism as long as there are much stricter rules on how the animal products are acquired. Some just want generally stricter rules in general.
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PETA is a political lobbying group and its source of funding is based on treating certain animals in a certain way. They can only continue their influence (and income) by focusing on animals that people care about. It is calculated and refined to keep money coming in, nothing more. I knew a lady who worked at a big PETA office in Norfolk, VA. Many of the employees there eat meat and care nothing for PETA's values. It is just a job, a source of income, and political influence. They don't care about bugs (like mosquitoes and spiders), they don't care for plant's rights, and they probably don't care much for anything else either - except their income.
Pualee wrote:
They can only continue their influence (and income) by focusing on animals that people care about. It is calculated and refined to keep money coming in, nothing more. I knew a lady who worked at a big PETA office in Norfolk, VA. Many of the employees there eat meat and care nothing for PETA's values. It is just a job, a source of income, and political influence.
First of course the rate for divorce in those who are Roman Catholics in the US is the same as that for others but that doesn't make those people something besides Catholics. Second of course is the fact that someone that 'works' is in fact quite a bit different than someone that 'believes' in something. That is why Christian universities have specific rules in their employee handbooks about what the employees are allowed to do (such as not actually being homosexual.)
