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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
"If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin." - Samuel Adams
Where are the real patriots[^] instead of those who are only interested in protecting their guns?
History is the joke the living play on the dead.
Protecting their guns IS being patriotic. Because 2nd Amendment. BTW, your link goes to a blank page.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government
As if that would ever happen! :laugh:
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
In reality, those are the ONLY types of men that possess the highest seats of government.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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Cars don't kill people. People kill people ;P At the end, Islamic terrorism should be the least of US government concerns. There are much bigger problems to fix. Putting in place a Muslim ban is purely ideological. Banning a group of people for no real reason is purely ideological. Ideologies lead to fascism.
The Centrist wrote:
Cars don't kill people. People kill people
Ahem... Pedestrian killed by autonomous car[^] ;P From what I can gather, she walked right out in front of it but the car was driving itself at the time.
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The Centrist wrote:
Cars don't kill people. People kill people
Guns dont kill people, people kill people. ;P Re muslims, if one smartie in a bowl was poisonous would you eat any? The problem is, and you might not know this, that in a survey in the UK 30% or muslims expressed some kind of support for islamic terror acts in the UK. This is very worrying, because it means they are not reporting their fellow muslims to authorities when they plan terror attacks. The main problem with islam though is that it is fundamentally incompatible with western values. It must cause them immense stress to live in the west, and it causes us stress when the do, because we do not agree on so many things, and find so many things about each others culture disagreeable, and even abhorrent. The two cultures should therefore not mix. Anyway, guns in the US. The problem is they like to kill each other. Take away their guns and they will use knives, which is what happens in the UK.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Anyway, guns in the US. The problem is they like to kill each other.
That's a pretty broad stroke of the brush, Matt. I would venture a guess that many of the people that kill with a gun are doing so in self defense (although you won't ever see that metric included in any statistics pushed by the state-run media) and don't like doing it. MANY more people die in the US from other causes. You would be better off saying that they kill people with medical instruments, cars, or sports equipment. Let's keep it real.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Anyway, guns in the US. The problem is they like to kill each other.
That's a pretty broad stroke of the brush, Matt. I would venture a guess that many of the people that kill with a gun are doing so in self defense (although you won't ever see that metric included in any statistics pushed by the state-run media) and don't like doing it. MANY more people die in the US from other causes. You would be better off saying that they kill people with medical instruments, cars, or sports equipment. Let's keep it real.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013True, but those arent intentional causes of death. In the UK we have a lot of black on black killings, with knives. It is socio-cultural violence. If we had guns, it would be gun deaths. And I am sure it is the same ethnic group in the US behind a lot of it. But I remember one incident in the US when I was there. A guy let out of prison recently, stopped by the police, decided to drive off, and gets into an armed standoff at his home ion Roseville. There were about 3 helicopters in the air, it was quite a spectacle. But what is going on in his head that puts him and his family at risk, that makes him push it to such an extreme. This is the US's problem. Why doesnt a criminal realise that at that critical point it is better to 'come quietly' than to escalate it and get killed or end up in prison for far longer? So a shoot out with the police ensues. Why?
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The Centrist wrote:
Cars don't kill people. People kill people
Ahem... Pedestrian killed by autonomous car[^] ;P From what I can gather, she walked right out in front of it but the car was driving itself at the time.
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Foothill wrote:
Ahem... Pedestrian killed by autonomous car[^] ;-P
So, it begins.
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Foothill wrote:
Ahem... Pedestrian killed by autonomous car[^] ;-P
So, it begins.
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True, but those arent intentional causes of death. In the UK we have a lot of black on black killings, with knives. It is socio-cultural violence. If we had guns, it would be gun deaths. And I am sure it is the same ethnic group in the US behind a lot of it. But I remember one incident in the US when I was there. A guy let out of prison recently, stopped by the police, decided to drive off, and gets into an armed standoff at his home ion Roseville. There were about 3 helicopters in the air, it was quite a spectacle. But what is going on in his head that puts him and his family at risk, that makes him push it to such an extreme. This is the US's problem. Why doesnt a criminal realise that at that critical point it is better to 'come quietly' than to escalate it and get killed or end up in prison for far longer? So a shoot out with the police ensues. Why?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
True, but those arent intentional causes of death.
Neither are some of the gun deaths. But again, state run media isn't interested in pointing out facts about how the gun deaths occur. Despite that, saying people in the US "like" to kill each other with guns is preposterous.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
A guy let out of prison recently, stopped by the police, decided to drive off, and gets into an armed standoff at his home
Imagine that, a bad guy that ILLEGALLY possesses a gun. He's a bad guy who doesn't obey the law. Why penalize the law-abiding citizens for what a criminal does? And oh yeah, if the cops killed him, that counts as a gun death for the state run media.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
But what is going on in his head that puts him and his family at risk, that makes him push it to such an extreme.
HE.IS.A.CRIMINAL. He doesn't care about other people's welfare.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Why doesnt a criminal realise that at that critical point it is better to 'come quietly' than to escalate it and get killed or end up in prison for far longer?
Why does the inside of a black hole really look like? See? I can ask unanswerable questions, too.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Foothill wrote:
Ahem... Pedestrian killed by autonomous car[^] ;-P
So, it begins.
It won't be long before autonomous vehicles start taking hums out intentionally. Skynet is here.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
In reality, those are the ONLY types of men that possess the highest seats of government.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Indeed. :) (Perhaps the sarcasm of my previous post wasn't obvious enough.)
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Austin package bombs - They're not blaming the bombs, they're blaming the bomber? Also, CNN keeps pushing the race card despite the fact that no specific race was being targeted. (Evidently, the bomber blew himself up early this morning, saving citizens the cost of a lengthy trial, followed by lifetime support in terms of shelter and food.) Maryland school shooting - An armed resource officer shot and killed the 17-year old shooter. No mention by the state-run media that a) a 17 year old isn't permitted to own/possess a handgun, and b) that an armed school employee prevented anyone from being killed. A blogger in the UK posted a poll asking people to select the biggest danger to the UK. You could chose BREXIT, Russia, Far-right extremists, and Islam. 70% of the voters picked Islam, and the blogger claims that bots and far-right extremists were responsible for skewing the poll results. When asked if she would accept the results if it was proven that no bots were identified, she said "No". What have we learned from this? 0) The media is trying to start a race war. 1) "Gun control" isn't about "guns", it's about "control". 2) Liberals don't like it when their poll results don't produce the expected/desired outcome.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Liberals don't like it when their poll results don't produce the expected/desired outcome.
Fake News (and all the political implications of that phrase about what passes for conservatives these days).
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Indeed. :) (Perhaps the sarcasm of my previous post wasn't obvious enough.)
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Even though I'm happy that Trump is the president, he is now a politician, and cannot be entirely trusted to do the right thing. Most of the time, though, he gets it right, as far as I'm concerned. In all fairness, though, he's fighting an uphill battle. No matter what he does, the state-run media doesn't like it. Period. Add to that the resistance he gets from Congress and other branches of government, and you have to be amazed that he's been able to deliver on so many of his campaign promises (to a higher degree than ANY other previous president). It's almost become comical that the state-run media continues their Trump Derangement Syndrome. I've started referring to him as the "Teflon Don". Their current tirade is that Trump is Putin-friendly because "Putin must have some dirt on Trump". UN.F*CKIN.BELIEVABLE.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
It won't be long before autonomous vehicles start taking hums out intentionally. Skynet is here.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
It won't be long before autonomous vehicles start taking hums out intentionally. Skynet is here.
You are right. With AI now gaining momentum, that is definitely where we are heading.
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Is that all? Cars kill 40,000 a year: [^] Why not ban cars then?
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The laws we already have would help if they were actively enforced. We could start by looking at returning the 500,000 individuals to the NICS database that Obama ordered removed (if they truly belong on the list of prohibited persons). Then we could make sure that people that belong on the list are put on it. Beyond that... "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery" - Thomas Jefferson, 1787 ------------ "The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men." "If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin." - Samuel Adams
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Our Liberties Worth Defending At All Hazards: Samuel Adams - Self-Educated American[^] Second Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia[^] It may reflect your own personal beliefs, but you can't hijack that quote and assume it applies. Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy...!
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Our Liberties Worth Defending At All Hazards: Samuel Adams - Self-Educated American[^] Second Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia[^] It may reflect your own personal beliefs, but you can't hijack that quote and assume it applies. Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy...!
See, the problem is that anti-2nd Amendment people refuse to consider the basis for why the 2nd Amendment is even included in the Bill of Rights. This is one of those supporting quotes. I'm not being sloppy at all. You're simply refusing to understand. I could cite many other references to the natural right of self defense that were expressed by the framers of the Constitution.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
See, the problem is that anti-2nd Amendment people refuse to consider the basis for why the 2nd Amendment is even included in the Bill of Rights. This is one of those supporting quotes. I'm not being sloppy at all. You're simply refusing to understand. I could cite many other references to the natural right of self defense that were expressed by the framers of the Constitution.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I could cite many other references to the natural right of self defense that were expressed by the framers of the Constitution.
Then maybe you should do that next time instead of picking quotes that are either intellectually dishonest or copypasta from NRA forums... :laugh: Also, I'm not anti 2nd amendment. I may be anti-your-interpretation-of-the-modern-applicability-of-the-2nd-amendment, but I'm sure you can dismiss that as easily as you say "crisis actors" and "I'm just asking questions..." :-\
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And malaria kills 400,000 a year. And 2.5 million people a year in the US die from natural causes. I guess we should just all fucking give up because there's always something more lethal. :rolleyes: seriously, is this argument still a thing?
Yes. It is. Ireland has 4/5ths the gun ownership of the UK, yet 30 times the murder rate. Gun control does not mean less murders.
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Yes. It is. Ireland has 4/5ths the gun ownership of the UK, yet 30 times the murder rate. Gun control does not mean less murders.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Ireland has 4/5ths the gun ownership of the UK, yet 30 times the murder rate.
This is not the same argument as "gun deaths vs car deaths" - but it's just as vapid, because correlation is not causation in the absence of convincing evidence. I could do something equally stupid and compare Zambia and the UK - Zambia is permissive with guns and has 50 times the murder rate! It must be the guns! On the other hand, there's plenty of evidence that reducing access to guns reduces the rate of completed suicides, accidents, homicides. Because guns are impulsively lethal. Gun control is a social health and harm reduction issue.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I could cite many other references to the natural right of self defense that were expressed by the framers of the Constitution.
Then maybe you should do that next time instead of picking quotes that are either intellectually dishonest or copypasta from NRA forums... :laugh: Also, I'm not anti 2nd amendment. I may be anti-your-interpretation-of-the-modern-applicability-of-the-2nd-amendment, but I'm sure you can dismiss that as easily as you say "crisis actors" and "I'm just asking questions..." :-\
Sablerz wrote:
Then maybe you should do that next time instead of picking quotes that are either intellectually dishonest or copypasta from NRA forums... :laugh:
Both quotes were within the context of what I was trying to convey. Neither were "intellectually dishonest", nor copied from the NRA web site. I've stated several times that I'm not a member of the NRA. When I heard (more than 40 years ago) that the NRA is responsible for most of the anti-gun laws we have right now, I decided then and there that they did not represent my concerns regarding the 2nd Amendment.
Sablerz wrote:
Also, I'm not anti 2nd amendment.
What's really funny is that that's exactly how every anti-2nd Amendment advocate starts out every conversation about guns. So, sure, I'm gonna believe you when you say it.
Sablerz wrote:
I may be anti-your-interpretation-of-the-modern-applicability-of-the-2nd-amendment
I've never accepted the concept of "modern applicability" of the 2nd Amendment. It is what it always has been, and I offer no comprise in that regard, with the possible exceptions of: 0) People that are proven insane probably should not be allowed to have them 1) Criminals that commit a felony with a gun or some other violent crime shouldn't be permitted, but then, well, you know, they're criminals, so good luck having them obey any law. However, NON-VIOLENT felons that did their time and are not on parole should not be on the prohibited persons list. 2) The age thing is tricky. I think every citizen from the day they're born, to the time they indicate they fall into one of the two groups I already cited, should be allowed to exercise their 2nd Amendment right to keep/bear arms. Before you get all psycho, yes, anyone under the age of consent should be supervised by a parent or guardian when using a gun of any kind (even if it's just a pellet gun). I also think that guns should be properly secured (in a gun safe, unloaded, and with a trigger lock installed) when not in use when there are children under the age of consent in the house. And finally, I don't see anything humorous about a discussion like this. Your use of LOL icons proves that you're trying to bolster your general lack of respect and knowledge of the Constitution and why we have it. I'm done with this exchange, because I've determined that you're not worth any more of my time r
