[solved] Mrs or Ms, sorry if it is a Leslie
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Hey hey mama, :cool: No, just go with Ms. and you'll generally not come under condemnation. Those who would prefer being called Mrs. will usually tell you politely where those who prefer Ms. might burn your house down for the wrong salutation.
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Yes, the name Leslie can be a tough one, being an androgynous name, like Pat, or Jordan. If you know the first name, it's best just to address them as such and leave off the last name...unless you live in the Southern US, where it is proper to put a Mr. or Ms. before the first name, usually for older folks. So either Leslie, or Ms. Leslie...unless it's a guy, then it's Leslie, or Mr. Leslie, or just Les, depending on how well you now him...but don't call him Ray! :laugh:
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It's safer to use "Ms." as it's valid for both "Miss" and "Mrs." /ravi
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How should I address a woman in a business letter / mail: Mrs or Ms? [Edit] And of course in Business relation, I don't know whether she is married or not (and what other light or dark things she is doing) [Edit] [Edit1] This is no joke question! [Edit1] Btw. For this, Wiki is something too much theoretical. I like to have pragmatic solution from real people here :-D
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
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How should I address a woman in a business letter / mail: Mrs or Ms? [Edit] And of course in Business relation, I don't know whether she is married or not (and what other light or dark things she is doing) [Edit] [Edit1] This is no joke question! [Edit1] Btw. For this, Wiki is something too much theoretical. I like to have pragmatic solution from real people here :-D
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
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It's safer to use "Ms." as it's valid for both "Miss" and "Mrs." /ravi
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How should I address a woman in a business letter / mail: Mrs or Ms? [Edit] And of course in Business relation, I don't know whether she is married or not (and what other light or dark things she is doing) [Edit] [Edit1] This is no joke question! [Edit1] Btw. For this, Wiki is something too much theoretical. I like to have pragmatic solution from real people here :-D
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
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How should I address a woman in a business letter / mail: Mrs or Ms? [Edit] And of course in Business relation, I don't know whether she is married or not (and what other light or dark things she is doing) [Edit] [Edit1] This is no joke question! [Edit1] Btw. For this, Wiki is something too much theoretical. I like to have pragmatic solution from real people here :-D
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
Simple solutions are: Just use their first name Dr/Prof (overstating their qualifications/flattery never does any harm!) Lady/Highness - good for grovelling/being sarcastic However we really need a modern, polite term to address a person of any gender/martial status with or without a name. Bit like the old 'Dear Sir' Perhaps Dear Hum (as in Human) Dear Sap (as in Homo Sapiens and has the benefit of annoying any Neanderthals still around) or my favourite Dear XYX - covers nearly everyone
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How should I address a woman in a business letter / mail: Mrs or Ms? [Edit] And of course in Business relation, I don't know whether she is married or not (and what other light or dark things she is doing) [Edit] [Edit1] This is no joke question! [Edit1] Btw. For this, Wiki is something too much theoretical. I like to have pragmatic solution from real people here :-D
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
You seem to have left out Miss. Also, for a while they were working with Mx., which would also encompass Mr. so it wouldn't be gender specific.* How ironic that, in current times, it's now become quite the converse - people insisting upon gender titles - even if it's one they change on a daily basis, or as the mood strikes them.
Oh Brave New World !
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Like I said, it depends on who this person is, and your relationship to her. But I think you should be safe with "Ms".
Richard MacCutchan wrote:
But I think you should be safe with "Ms".
This is correct, as I was taught in far too many English Composition courses over the eons. Alternatively, you can skip the salutation entirely and instead simply state her full name, e.g. "Dear Susan Jones." These days you'll find more and more official correspondence (bills, etc.) use this approach.
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How should I address a woman in a business letter / mail: Mrs or Ms? [Edit] And of course in Business relation, I don't know whether she is married or not (and what other light or dark things she is doing) [Edit] [Edit1] This is no joke question! [Edit1] Btw. For this, Wiki is something too much theoretical. I like to have pragmatic solution from real people here :-D
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
Your asking this question in the Lounge.... There is about a 0.00000001% chance that your going to get anything anywhere near serious (And Iv'e probably just skewed those odds with this reply) Your not going to get a serious answer in here, not because of any offensiveness, but simply because it's the lounge. Think of this place like the "School Playground of Code Project", what happens here, stays here, and answering serious questions is not a concept easily understood. EDIT [DANG] - I retract my words.... I didn't notice there was a second page!!! :-O I'm impressed, go "The Lounge"!!!
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Your asking this question in the Lounge.... There is about a 0.00000001% chance that your going to get anything anywhere near serious (And Iv'e probably just skewed those odds with this reply) Your not going to get a serious answer in here, not because of any offensiveness, but simply because it's the lounge. Think of this place like the "School Playground of Code Project", what happens here, stays here, and answering serious questions is not a concept easily understood. EDIT [DANG] - I retract my words.... I didn't notice there was a second page!!! :-O I'm impressed, go "The Lounge"!!!
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How should I address a woman in a business letter / mail: Mrs or Ms? [Edit] And of course in Business relation, I don't know whether she is married or not (and what other light or dark things she is doing) [Edit] [Edit1] This is no joke question! [Edit1] Btw. For this, Wiki is something too much theoretical. I like to have pragmatic solution from real people here :-D
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
If you are replying to an email/letter use the name the person signed off on the email to you. If it is Mrs. Jane Doe then use that. If it is Ms. Jane Doe then use that. If it is Jane Doe then use that. BTW you worry far too much. As long as you don't open with "Hey Bitch!" you are probably OK. :laugh:
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0x01AA wrote:
But English!!! it is a big Problem for me. I'm following CCC daily but I never had any clue how to solve it :(
Don't feel bad. English is my first language and most of the time I can't do the CCC :laugh:
I am a native English speaker. I also speak fluent Spanish and OK French. I'm trying to start Nepali, since my son-in-law is from Nepal. I studied Russian for a year, but don't speak it. English is a horrible language. There are so many exceptions and the way it is spelled will drive a Zen master insane. Change of subject. I speak fluent Spanish, but I can't imagine taking a university course in Spanish. I greatly admire any non native English speaker taking English College courses. They are amazing.
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How should I address a woman in a business letter / mail: Mrs or Ms? [Edit] And of course in Business relation, I don't know whether she is married or not (and what other light or dark things she is doing) [Edit] [Edit1] This is no joke question! [Edit1] Btw. For this, Wiki is something too much theoretical. I like to have pragmatic solution from real people here :-D
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
Dear AppropriateGenderPronoun, Dear Ms. X, or, just drop it: Dear Jane, or, title it: Dear CEO Jane xxx, but NEVER EVER: Dear Leader, that is exclusively reserved for NK...
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How should I address a woman in a business letter / mail: Mrs or Ms? [Edit] And of course in Business relation, I don't know whether she is married or not (and what other light or dark things she is doing) [Edit] [Edit1] This is no joke question! [Edit1] Btw. For this, Wiki is something too much theoretical. I like to have pragmatic solution from real people here :-D
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
Serious boring answer: always use "Ms" in business communication, even for a woman you know is married. Marital status is irrelevant in business so it's best to not even make the distinction.
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How should I address a woman in a business letter / mail: Mrs or Ms? [Edit] And of course in Business relation, I don't know whether she is married or not (and what other light or dark things she is doing) [Edit] [Edit1] This is no joke question! [Edit1] Btw. For this, Wiki is something too much theoretical. I like to have pragmatic solution from real people here :-D
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
I simply stopped using any form of salutation, especially because official ranks were involved, and those often changed. If I had to for a known female, however, I would use Ms.
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Probably not - but it's similar to the Frau / Fraulein in German: some ladies object to assumptions of marital status so it's "safer" to use neutral terms. German went all "Frau", English moved more away from "Mrs" to the new "more feminist" "Ms".
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I'm with Griff, on this one. 1. For formal letters to an individuals, it was "Mr." or "Ms." and last name. No knowledge of marital status necessary--"Miss" was already out the door (typing class from 30+ years ago) 2. For mixed groups (male, female) audience, use "Ladies and Gentlemen," (military knocked this one in my head) 3. If you're _sure_ it's going to be a male- or femal-only audience, "Gentlemen," or "Ladies,", respectively. (again, military). All of these are, at their base, built on older views on how societies work. OTOH, they generally get me through all the more common sticky wickets.
vuolsi così colà dove si puote ciò che si vuole, e più non dimandare --The answer to Minos and any question of "Why are we doing it this way?"
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How should I address a woman in a business letter / mail: Mrs or Ms? [Edit] And of course in Business relation, I don't know whether she is married or not (and what other light or dark things she is doing) [Edit] [Edit1] This is no joke question! [Edit1] Btw. For this, Wiki is something too much theoretical. I like to have pragmatic solution from real people here :-D
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
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0x01AA wrote:
How should I address a woman in a business letter / mail: Mrs or Ms?
I'd go with: Dear Sir/Madam:
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