London murder rate surpasses New York City rate.
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Look at the YouTube shooter. She was just a regular legal gun-owner. What's telling is that rather than criticise the person who pulled the trigger you criticise an organisation that simply supports the rights of regular citizens. That kinda comes off like you have an agenda. You know, like the people who blame Trump for these shootings when they didn't blame Obama for the shootings that happened under his watch. You know the types.
How about you look at all the other shooters - able to purchase massive cache's of guns and ammo - without so much as a second look. Certainly not in gun-monger states. I find it quite amazing: if you have been to prison you cannot own a gun. If you are mentally unstable, you can (they insist !) . . . obvious conclusion . . . NRA would lose half its membership if the insane couldn't own guns. And as alluded to noted in another post - when will you Republiscum going to stop invoking "Obama" every time you find yourself in an indefensible position?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
This is why these shooters are usually left-wing democrats.
So typical. I'm surprised you didn't add "Obama Inspired" to that. He's the permanent boggy-man in the Republiscum closet. NRA, through it's financial control of many senators/congressman, is hard at work maintaining the status quo. To them, the status quo is quite acceptable. I'd like to change that by making them take a real first-hand interest in being shot at by a stranger
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
I'm surprised you didn't add "Obama Inspired" to that.
Why would I add that? I'm a rational person, a realist, no president is responsible for these things, neither Trump now nor Obama then. Maybe you just struggle to deal with rational arguments and instead seek to frame them with your own view of the world. Similarly the NRA isn't responsible either. I know you're looking for an easy quick-fix but alas it doesn't exist as the cause of these things isn't a single thing, that's far too a simplistic and naive way to look at the world. Being naive and posting garbage on the internet is one thing, but that naivety resulting you in wanting people to be shot? Crazy.
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And do you - like so many others - lump everyone to the right of you in with those right wing extremists? Racist extremists are given far more credit for power and numbers than they really deserve - primarily because the left wing media likes to use them to try to paint the entire right side of the spectrum in a similar mold.
The Centrist wrote:
extreme right nazism.
That would be the extreme right National Socialists?
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Freedom doesn't mean the absence of things you don't like. Dave
DRHuff wrote:
nd do you - like so many others - lump everyone to the right of you in with those right wing extremists?
No.
DRHuff wrote:
That would be the extreme right National Socialists?
This is only a name. The actual name of North Korea is Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Do you consider NK a democracy? And what about the Civil Rights Movement? Is it a right-wing movement? A name is what it is, just a name. It is the actions that defines what you actually are.
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How about you look at all the other shooters - able to purchase massive cache's of guns and ammo - without so much as a second look. Certainly not in gun-monger states. I find it quite amazing: if you have been to prison you cannot own a gun. If you are mentally unstable, you can (they insist !) . . . obvious conclusion . . . NRA would lose half its membership if the insane couldn't own guns. And as alluded to noted in another post - when will you Republiscum going to stop invoking "Obama" every time you find yourself in an indefensible position?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Given a fraction of a percent of people killed by guns are from mass-shootings from people will legally owned guns I guess I'll leave you to your crusading. After all if your lobbying stops 0.00001% of murder victims being killed then I guess it's all worth it. The ends justify the means, right?
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
I'm surprised you didn't add "Obama Inspired" to that.
Why would I add that? I'm a rational person, a realist, no president is responsible for these things, neither Trump now nor Obama then. Maybe you just struggle to deal with rational arguments and instead seek to frame them with your own view of the world. Similarly the NRA isn't responsible either. I know you're looking for an easy quick-fix but alas it doesn't exist as the cause of these things isn't a single thing, that's far too a simplistic and naive way to look at the world. Being naive and posting garbage on the internet is one thing, but that naivety resulting you in wanting people to be shot? Crazy.
Wanting people to be shot? Not hardly. Expecting it. Certainly. And I know just the group of people who need their perspective altered. You are the one that brought up Obama, not me, so stop playing innocent. I'm sure you think the idea of making our schools armed fortresses is perfectly natural and the way people should be living in a free nation - free to live in fear if that's necessary - by definition. NRA, and by their financial and political support, it's members, are responsible as accessories. Accessories before the fact - by enabling the easy acquisition of firearms. Accessories after the fact - by attacking the victims. As for your 'quick fix' comment - and an excuse to through out "naive" - well the real nativity is in the NRA membership - thinking anything that stops their absolute and uninhibited access to firearms is an attack on them and their rights. Naivety may be wrong term for NRA members - brainwashed is more like it. So - I simply approach this logically and pragmatically: if it has to happen, and that's extremely likely, I'd like that bump-stock enabled shooter to empty a few clips into those who supported his inalienable right to a 50-round clip, bumpstock, and half a dozen backup weapons so reloading isn't necessary. I simply want you to taste the bitterness of the legacy you've forced onto so many others.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Given a fraction of a percent of people killed by guns are from mass-shootings from people will legally owned guns I guess I'll leave you to your crusading. After all if your lobbying stops 0.00001% of murder victims being killed then I guess it's all worth it. The ends justify the means, right?
More bullshit buried in irrelevant and invalid statistics. But, to put it simply:
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
I'll leave you to your crusading. After all if your lobbying stops 0.00001% of murder victims being killed then I guess it's all worth it.
Well - it that one is your wife or child, you may think it was fuckin' worth it.
EOF"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Wanting people to be shot? Not hardly. Expecting it. Certainly. And I know just the group of people who need their perspective altered. You are the one that brought up Obama, not me, so stop playing innocent. I'm sure you think the idea of making our schools armed fortresses is perfectly natural and the way people should be living in a free nation - free to live in fear if that's necessary - by definition. NRA, and by their financial and political support, it's members, are responsible as accessories. Accessories before the fact - by enabling the easy acquisition of firearms. Accessories after the fact - by attacking the victims. As for your 'quick fix' comment - and an excuse to through out "naive" - well the real nativity is in the NRA membership - thinking anything that stops their absolute and uninhibited access to firearms is an attack on them and their rights. Naivety may be wrong term for NRA members - brainwashed is more like it. So - I simply approach this logically and pragmatically: if it has to happen, and that's extremely likely, I'd like that bump-stock enabled shooter to empty a few clips into those who supported his inalienable right to a 50-round clip, bumpstock, and half a dozen backup weapons so reloading isn't necessary. I simply want you to taste the bitterness of the legacy you've forced onto so many others.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
if it has to happen, and that's extremely likely, I'd like that bump-stock enabled shooter to empty a few clips into those who supported his inalienable right to a 50-round clip, bumpstock, and half a dozen backup weapons so reloading isn't necessary.
Yeah, but, that's not going to happen, is it? If a shooter was to pull a gun at an NRA convention they'd be dead before their finger even reaches the trigger because that's what happens when law-abiding citizens are armed.
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
if it has to happen, and that's extremely likely, I'd like that bump-stock enabled shooter to empty a few clips into those who supported his inalienable right to a 50-round clip, bumpstock, and half a dozen backup weapons so reloading isn't necessary.
Yeah, but, that's not going to happen, is it? If a shooter was to pull a gun at an NRA convention they'd be dead before their finger even reaches the trigger because that's what happens when law-abiding citizens are armed.
At this point, you're sounding delusional. They'll all turn and gun the shooter down - faster than he can possible fire into a crowd. They shoot him down even before the first shot. What a fucked up point of view! Until he starts firing, there's nothing that distinguishes him from the rest of the gun fanatics. So - preemptively, they'll just start shooting anyone with a gun! Actually, an intriguing idea. Or he starts firing and, when they finally realize what's going on in even those few seconds, scores of rounds have been empties into the crowd. Then, most likely they'll duck. Meanwhile, the Rambo group will start firing - they themselves hitting bystanders as it "ain't no target range when real bullets are flying". Your fantasy will be mitigated by the rather large heap of bodies, many by collateral damage by the might warriors who defended themselves and . . . uh . . . missed. Or - will the NRA ban guns at its meetings?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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[London murder rate beats New York as stabbings surge | News | The Sunday Times](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/london-murder-rate-beats-new-york-as-stabbings-surge-f59w0xqs0) I can see now why you Brits don't want guns - if you had them you would be more like Chicago! Guns don't kill people - knives kill people!
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Freedom doesn't mean the absence of things you don't like. Dave
Indeed. For a two month period, this is the case. Of course, taking a longer view (say 6 months), London is a long way behind
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
I really really really hope the next big wild shoot-em-up is at an NRA convention. I just got to hear how they spin that story whilst their fellow members bleed out.
NRA members aren't the problem, these shooters are generally left-wing and democrat. So you want NRA members to be shot because they are supporting the rights of democrats rather than wanting to stop the left-wing democrats from becoming shooters in the first place? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
they are supporting the rights
To buy armor-piecing bullets To allow insane people to buy guns (legally) To oppose any sane limitation on the firepower available without a permit. How'd you like your neighbors to be stocking RPG's and Landmines? Maybe a Quad-50 on their vehicle, too. That's what the NRA protects. It's like the parallel, with the concept of theft: if you didn't have fence's willing to buy the stolen property it would be less useful to steal. Or graft - the source of endless criminal activity. Both allow it to be done - and then use that same whine you just implied - that "we didn't do it". The NRA are enablers.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
It's like the parallel, with the concept of theft: if you didn't have fence's willing to buy the stolen property it would be less useful to steal. Or graft - the source of endless criminal activity. Both allow it to be done - and then use that same whine you just implied - that "we didn't do it".
And then your analogy fell apart. The Constitution specifically protects the ownership of guns. No way around that. It doesn't protect theft. By your analogy no one should protest when the government wants to seize someones house to build a 7-11.
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There's no rational evidence that NRA supports are responsible for these shootings, neither physical, moral nor philosophical. So what you're basically saying is that people deserve to be murdered if they act in a way that you personally object to. This is why these shooters are usually left-wing democrats.
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Wanting people to be shot? Not hardly. Expecting it. Certainly. And I know just the group of people who need their perspective altered. You are the one that brought up Obama, not me, so stop playing innocent. I'm sure you think the idea of making our schools armed fortresses is perfectly natural and the way people should be living in a free nation - free to live in fear if that's necessary - by definition. NRA, and by their financial and political support, it's members, are responsible as accessories. Accessories before the fact - by enabling the easy acquisition of firearms. Accessories after the fact - by attacking the victims. As for your 'quick fix' comment - and an excuse to through out "naive" - well the real nativity is in the NRA membership - thinking anything that stops their absolute and uninhibited access to firearms is an attack on them and their rights. Naivety may be wrong term for NRA members - brainwashed is more like it. So - I simply approach this logically and pragmatically: if it has to happen, and that's extremely likely, I'd like that bump-stock enabled shooter to empty a few clips into those who supported his inalienable right to a 50-round clip, bumpstock, and half a dozen backup weapons so reloading isn't necessary. I simply want you to taste the bitterness of the legacy you've forced onto so many others.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
NRA, and by their financial and political support, it's members, are responsible as accessories. Accessories before the fact - by enabling the easy acquisition of firearms. Accessories after the fact - by attacking the victims.
Again there goes your argument. By that logic every car dealer should be shut down because automobile accidents can't happen without cars.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
So - I simply approach this logically and pragmatically:
Nope that is not what that is. Revengeful yes. Righteous maybe. But neither logical nor pragmatic.
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Er, yes, but what is your point? That I am a racist? You have no fucking idea do you?
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Let me assure you that despite what you think I am not.
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
NRA, and by their financial and political support, it's members, are responsible as accessories. Accessories before the fact - by enabling the easy acquisition of firearms. Accessories after the fact - by attacking the victims.
Again there goes your argument. By that logic every car dealer should be shut down because automobile accidents can't happen without cars.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
So - I simply approach this logically and pragmatically:
Nope that is not what that is. Revengeful yes. Righteous maybe. But neither logical nor pragmatic.
jschell wrote:
Revengeful yes
This is, along with the rest, another place you go wrong. I am a gun owner. Clearly, then, I'm not against the right to bare arms. I am against what has now reached near religious status with respect to any modification, however sensible, that takes into account (for example) changes in technology that take the ability to form a militia (self defense against tyranny is how that's explained) and being able to become a one-person war machine. As for the NRA leadership - they are making a tidy living by whipping up a frenzied group of supporters and keeping that money coming in. You do know it's routes are in promoting gun safety, not building personal arms caches ?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
This is why these shooters are usually left-wing democrats.
Nonsense.
Nope, facts. This mythical right-wing NRA shooter is simply a boogie man invented by the generally left-wing media.
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jschell wrote:
Revengeful yes
This is, along with the rest, another place you go wrong. I am a gun owner. Clearly, then, I'm not against the right to bare arms. I am against what has now reached near religious status with respect to any modification, however sensible, that takes into account (for example) changes in technology that take the ability to form a militia (self defense against tyranny is how that's explained) and being able to become a one-person war machine. As for the NRA leadership - they are making a tidy living by whipping up a frenzied group of supporters and keeping that money coming in. You do know it's routes are in promoting gun safety, not building personal arms caches ?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Clearly, then, I'm not against the right to bare arms.
I didn't claim otherwise.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
I am against what has now reached near religious status...
I quoted what I responded to. And your rationalization of that specific statement. I wasn't condemning your entire character nor your general attitude about guns (pro or not.) I can't say that I disagree with your statement here. Although I do find it a bit difficult to understand, but I suspect I got the intent.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
You do know it's routes are in promoting gun safety, not building personal arms caches ?
No idea what that means. Not sure what "it" refers to - NRA? And if so and as I try to understand the rest of that, then yes I understand that.
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Nope, facts. This mythical right-wing NRA shooter is simply a boogie man invented by the generally left-wing media.