London murder rate surpasses New York City rate.
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
if it has to happen, and that's extremely likely, I'd like that bump-stock enabled shooter to empty a few clips into those who supported his inalienable right to a 50-round clip, bumpstock, and half a dozen backup weapons so reloading isn't necessary.
Yeah, but, that's not going to happen, is it? If a shooter was to pull a gun at an NRA convention they'd be dead before their finger even reaches the trigger because that's what happens when law-abiding citizens are armed.
At this point, you're sounding delusional. They'll all turn and gun the shooter down - faster than he can possible fire into a crowd. They shoot him down even before the first shot. What a fucked up point of view! Until he starts firing, there's nothing that distinguishes him from the rest of the gun fanatics. So - preemptively, they'll just start shooting anyone with a gun! Actually, an intriguing idea. Or he starts firing and, when they finally realize what's going on in even those few seconds, scores of rounds have been empties into the crowd. Then, most likely they'll duck. Meanwhile, the Rambo group will start firing - they themselves hitting bystanders as it "ain't no target range when real bullets are flying". Your fantasy will be mitigated by the rather large heap of bodies, many by collateral damage by the might warriors who defended themselves and . . . uh . . . missed. Or - will the NRA ban guns at its meetings?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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[London murder rate beats New York as stabbings surge | News | The Sunday Times](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/london-murder-rate-beats-new-york-as-stabbings-surge-f59w0xqs0) I can see now why you Brits don't want guns - if you had them you would be more like Chicago! Guns don't kill people - knives kill people!
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Freedom doesn't mean the absence of things you don't like. Dave
Indeed. For a two month period, this is the case. Of course, taking a longer view (say 6 months), London is a long way behind
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
I really really really hope the next big wild shoot-em-up is at an NRA convention. I just got to hear how they spin that story whilst their fellow members bleed out.
NRA members aren't the problem, these shooters are generally left-wing and democrat. So you want NRA members to be shot because they are supporting the rights of democrats rather than wanting to stop the left-wing democrats from becoming shooters in the first place? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
they are supporting the rights
To buy armor-piecing bullets To allow insane people to buy guns (legally) To oppose any sane limitation on the firepower available without a permit. How'd you like your neighbors to be stocking RPG's and Landmines? Maybe a Quad-50 on their vehicle, too. That's what the NRA protects. It's like the parallel, with the concept of theft: if you didn't have fence's willing to buy the stolen property it would be less useful to steal. Or graft - the source of endless criminal activity. Both allow it to be done - and then use that same whine you just implied - that "we didn't do it". The NRA are enablers.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
It's like the parallel, with the concept of theft: if you didn't have fence's willing to buy the stolen property it would be less useful to steal. Or graft - the source of endless criminal activity. Both allow it to be done - and then use that same whine you just implied - that "we didn't do it".
And then your analogy fell apart. The Constitution specifically protects the ownership of guns. No way around that. It doesn't protect theft. By your analogy no one should protest when the government wants to seize someones house to build a 7-11.
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There's no rational evidence that NRA supports are responsible for these shootings, neither physical, moral nor philosophical. So what you're basically saying is that people deserve to be murdered if they act in a way that you personally object to. This is why these shooters are usually left-wing democrats.
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Wanting people to be shot? Not hardly. Expecting it. Certainly. And I know just the group of people who need their perspective altered. You are the one that brought up Obama, not me, so stop playing innocent. I'm sure you think the idea of making our schools armed fortresses is perfectly natural and the way people should be living in a free nation - free to live in fear if that's necessary - by definition. NRA, and by their financial and political support, it's members, are responsible as accessories. Accessories before the fact - by enabling the easy acquisition of firearms. Accessories after the fact - by attacking the victims. As for your 'quick fix' comment - and an excuse to through out "naive" - well the real nativity is in the NRA membership - thinking anything that stops their absolute and uninhibited access to firearms is an attack on them and their rights. Naivety may be wrong term for NRA members - brainwashed is more like it. So - I simply approach this logically and pragmatically: if it has to happen, and that's extremely likely, I'd like that bump-stock enabled shooter to empty a few clips into those who supported his inalienable right to a 50-round clip, bumpstock, and half a dozen backup weapons so reloading isn't necessary. I simply want you to taste the bitterness of the legacy you've forced onto so many others.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
NRA, and by their financial and political support, it's members, are responsible as accessories. Accessories before the fact - by enabling the easy acquisition of firearms. Accessories after the fact - by attacking the victims.
Again there goes your argument. By that logic every car dealer should be shut down because automobile accidents can't happen without cars.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
So - I simply approach this logically and pragmatically:
Nope that is not what that is. Revengeful yes. Righteous maybe. But neither logical nor pragmatic.
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Er, yes, but what is your point? That I am a racist? You have no fucking idea do you?
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Let me assure you that despite what you think I am not.
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
NRA, and by their financial and political support, it's members, are responsible as accessories. Accessories before the fact - by enabling the easy acquisition of firearms. Accessories after the fact - by attacking the victims.
Again there goes your argument. By that logic every car dealer should be shut down because automobile accidents can't happen without cars.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
So - I simply approach this logically and pragmatically:
Nope that is not what that is. Revengeful yes. Righteous maybe. But neither logical nor pragmatic.
jschell wrote:
Revengeful yes
This is, along with the rest, another place you go wrong. I am a gun owner. Clearly, then, I'm not against the right to bare arms. I am against what has now reached near religious status with respect to any modification, however sensible, that takes into account (for example) changes in technology that take the ability to form a militia (self defense against tyranny is how that's explained) and being able to become a one-person war machine. As for the NRA leadership - they are making a tidy living by whipping up a frenzied group of supporters and keeping that money coming in. You do know it's routes are in promoting gun safety, not building personal arms caches ?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
This is why these shooters are usually left-wing democrats.
Nonsense.
Nope, facts. This mythical right-wing NRA shooter is simply a boogie man invented by the generally left-wing media.
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jschell wrote:
Revengeful yes
This is, along with the rest, another place you go wrong. I am a gun owner. Clearly, then, I'm not against the right to bare arms. I am against what has now reached near religious status with respect to any modification, however sensible, that takes into account (for example) changes in technology that take the ability to form a militia (self defense against tyranny is how that's explained) and being able to become a one-person war machine. As for the NRA leadership - they are making a tidy living by whipping up a frenzied group of supporters and keeping that money coming in. You do know it's routes are in promoting gun safety, not building personal arms caches ?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Clearly, then, I'm not against the right to bare arms.
I didn't claim otherwise.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
I am against what has now reached near religious status...
I quoted what I responded to. And your rationalization of that specific statement. I wasn't condemning your entire character nor your general attitude about guns (pro or not.) I can't say that I disagree with your statement here. Although I do find it a bit difficult to understand, but I suspect I got the intent.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
You do know it's routes are in promoting gun safety, not building personal arms caches ?
No idea what that means. Not sure what "it" refers to - NRA? And if so and as I try to understand the rest of that, then yes I understand that.
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Nope, facts. This mythical right-wing NRA shooter is simply a boogie man invented by the generally left-wing media.