English Clarification please.
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During online chat/discussion If make this statement "You are a moron" = That's a personal attack. but then if I say "Your statement is moronic" = Is this still a personal attack or not?
cheers,
Super
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super wrote:
English Clarification please.
This seems an absurd question. Why English? Tell me a language where the second statement is not an insult or a deliberate confrontation.
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During online chat/discussion If make this statement "You are a moron" = That's a personal attack. but then if I say "Your statement is moronic" = Is this still a personal attack or not?
cheers,
Super
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First one is accusing the OP of being an actual moron. The second is implying that the OP is acting like a moron via their statement. Both hurt the OP's feelings. OP runs to mommy, crying. "Hush now baby, baby, don't you cry."
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First one is accusing the OP of being an actual moron. The second is implying that the OP is acting like a moron via their statement. Both hurt the OP's feelings. OP runs to mommy, crying. "Hush now baby, baby, don't you cry."
The discussion is actually about hypocrisy. The point was that the super portrays himself as someone who's truly nicey-nice, and condemns everyone who displayed even the mildest of aggression in an argument. However, he personally attacked someone and then went on a spree to justify it, and basically reduced it to an English/grammar question.
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super wrote:
English Clarification please.
This seems an absurd question. Why English? Tell me a language where the second statement is not an insult or a deliberate confrontation.
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
In the Norwegian Parliament there has been lots of hair-splitting cases whether the President of the Parliament should reprimand a speaker for using unacceptable language or not. Characterizing another member of the Parliament is almost never accepted, while characterizing a statement, which everyone knows who made, as utter nonsense is much more likely to be accepted. Maybe "moronic" is so insulting that it wouldn't be accepted at all in our Parliament. But "nonsense" is certainly acceptable. Besides, there are a few recognized modifiers: You could e.g. say that claiming that schoolbags made of clear plastic improves security is, with all due respect, utter nonsense. The "with all due respect" really is the opposite ... You use it to indicate that you really have no respect, but since you explicitly indicate that you are aware that you are bordering on the respectless but will not cross the line, you may actually do that: Cross the line to the respectless. It is like "I usually have respect for the speaker before me, but this time... well..."
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Here's some context:
- Dude purports to be against personal attacks and condemns people who are even mildly abusive (e.g. using the word 'fuck' in a sentence).
- Then dude personally attacks someone else, and then justifies it
Leftist, hypocritical codswallop, in other words. Personal attack here: Re: Intellectual Joker exasperating farrago of distortions[^] Justification in several places, but here's a notable one: Re: Intellectual Joker exasperating farrago of distortions[^] Just read those threads if you would like to see some so called "exasperating farrago". Do so at your own risk. :)
While I can see where you're coming from, there is a fundamental difference between characterizing a person and characterizing a concept; one is definitely a personal attack and the other is not. Of course if the sum total of a response is "that's moronic", then likely the respondent hasn't spent much time considering the concept and is reacting from a cultural or political dogma rather than a reasoned position. On the other hand, some things are just stupid. Pretty much anything said by a celebrity, for example.
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Tachyonx wrote:
as he is asking very politely about the subject ...
Basic grammer explains what the subject is.
Tachyonx wrote:
with all respect ... I respectfully disagree :)
Noted and ignored, since there's no argument to be found :thumbsup:
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During online chat/discussion If make this statement "You are a moron" = That's a personal attack. but then if I say "Your statement is moronic" = Is this still a personal attack or not?
cheers,
Super
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super wrote:
"Your statement is moronic" = Is this still a personal attack or not?
Yes - the proper non-personal form would be: "That statement is moronic." :)
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During online chat/discussion If make this statement "You are a moron" = That's a personal attack. but then if I say "Your statement is moronic" = Is this still a personal attack or not?
cheers,
Super
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With those two statements, there may not be much difference. But I prefer to say "that statement is incorrect" rather than "you are wrong".
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Well the second statement does tend to imply the first. Would a sensible person make a moronic statement?
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During online chat/discussion If make this statement "You are a moron" = That's a personal attack. but then if I say "Your statement is moronic" = Is this still a personal attack or not?
cheers,
Super
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While I can see where you're coming from, there is a fundamental difference between characterizing a person and characterizing a concept; one is definitely a personal attack and the other is not. Of course if the sum total of a response is "that's moronic", then likely the respondent hasn't spent much time considering the concept and is reacting from a cultural or political dogma rather than a reasoned position. On the other hand, some things are just stupid. Pretty much anything said by a celebrity, for example.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
Thank you, that actually makes sense. :thumbsup:
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Thank you, that actually makes sense. :thumbsup:
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The discussion is actually about hypocrisy. The point was that the super portrays himself as someone who's truly nicey-nice, and condemns everyone who displayed even the mildest of aggression in an argument. However, he personally attacked someone and then went on a spree to justify it, and basically reduced it to an English/grammar question.
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So should I apologies that I made an personal attack?
cheers,
Super
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This thread and all the noise going with it was not started by me or those other users. I never said you should apologise to him, neither did OP (Gandalf) or Chethu. We were merely making an observation, and there's nothing more to it than that.
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During online chat/discussion If make this statement "You are a moron" = That's a personal attack. but then if I say "Your statement is moronic" = Is this still a personal attack or not?
cheers,
Super
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There is a difference between stating someone is something and implying they might be one. Te difference is whether you are correct or not in either or both judgements. "You are a moron." is explicit. To this, I'd say that one must first be or have had been one to know what one is, that being a moron. :laugh: :laugh: "Your statement is moronic." is implicative, that what someone has stated seems it is not valid or justified in a way upon which you are basing your judgement foundations to qualify such. To this, again, I'd say that one must first have said one to know one, what a moronic statement is. More :laugh: :laugh: Both are subjective statements. As such, both are accurate and inaccurate at the same instance. :wtf: :confused: :omg:
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So should I apologies that I made an personal attack?
cheers,
Super
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Is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?
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I prefer functions with several arguments
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I have a wife for that function.
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