JavaScript the odd one.
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Plenty hated it, I "was" one. And plenty loved it, I am one. Ready your criticisms. Why don't you like JavaScript? Too different a concept, lack of tool support, too many Murphy laws, or just plainly, I don't like it. Whatever it is spell it here.
No true multithreading. VB-style variable declaration. No type-checking. No interacting with native devices. It's a joke gone too far :thumbsup:
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Plenty hated it, I "was" one. And plenty loved it, I am one. Ready your criticisms. Why don't you like JavaScript? Too different a concept, lack of tool support, too many Murphy laws, or just plainly, I don't like it. Whatever it is spell it here.
As it's specific to a domain I don't work in, I give about one centicrap about it.
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Plenty hated it, I "was" one. And plenty loved it, I am one. Ready your criticisms. Why don't you like JavaScript? Too different a concept, lack of tool support, too many Murphy laws, or just plainly, I don't like it. Whatever it is spell it here.
I have no problem with JavaScript (using it over 15 years with changing frequency)... I hate however when some write ad-hoc JavaScript and I have to fix it :-)
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Plenty hated it, I "was" one. And plenty loved it, I am one. Ready your criticisms. Why don't you like JavaScript? Too different a concept, lack of tool support, too many Murphy laws, or just plainly, I don't like it. Whatever it is spell it here.
Just another tool.
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Plenty hated it, I "was" one. And plenty loved it, I am one. Ready your criticisms. Why don't you like JavaScript? Too different a concept, lack of tool support, too many Murphy laws, or just plainly, I don't like it. Whatever it is spell it here.
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Plenty hated it, I "was" one. And plenty loved it, I am one. Ready your criticisms. Why don't you like JavaScript? Too different a concept, lack of tool support, too many Murphy laws, or just plainly, I don't like it. Whatever it is spell it here.
Leng Vang wrote:
Why don't you like JavaScript?
Because it allows people who have no idea what they are doing to bodge some crap together that hides its total failures until they have time to bugger off and leave it to some other poor sod to sort out later. And call themselves "expert consultants". It's harder to do that in a strongly typed, compiled language ... and why the heck we put up with it and HTML in the modern world, I have no idea.
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Plenty hated it, I "was" one. And plenty loved it, I am one. Ready your criticisms. Why don't you like JavaScript? Too different a concept, lack of tool support, too many Murphy laws, or just plainly, I don't like it. Whatever it is spell it here.
Yeah, one must think differently before appreciate the positive aspects of it. It's not an OO language, it is async (event driven) where process level or micro-service load balancing is one's friend. But when one try to bend it to a monolithic, OO and threading view, one find difficulties. It sucks indeed ... Of couse the heavy lifting (computational intensive) part of a system has to done natively, javascript can be a easy to use glue between these native components... I am glad that I could make good use of it, despite the less desirable aspects of it. Strangly enough, I found Visual Studio Code (javascript based) to be much more response than Visual Studio (Native) on my machine for programming javascripts, it is a suprise to me as well. It is possible that Visual Studio has much more background job to handle the intelligence of the editor, or because it created to much threads? I'd like to find out why until now ... The freedom it gives to a programmer can be a curse or a bless, it really depends on how it is used ... E.g., some of our libs are generated by programs written in strong typed languages ... I am not here to defend javascript in any sense. It is intended to provide a balanced view because there are so many 'haters' so far ...
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Plenty hated it, I "was" one. And plenty loved it, I am one. Ready your criticisms. Why don't you like JavaScript? Too different a concept, lack of tool support, too many Murphy laws, or just plainly, I don't like it. Whatever it is spell it here.
My problem with JS is having too many "solutions" available to pick from, in the form of libraries/frameworks. Too many choices can be a curse. I've been coding as a profession for well over 20 years now (C/C++/C#, front-end, back-end, MFC, WinForms, etc), and while I've managed to put together what pretty much amounts to basic static HTML-based sites in decades past, I've just recently started to try to learn how to go about web development "the right way". Far as I can tell, there's still no "right way" even after all this time, because nobody seems to agree. I'd *love* to find some resource that has a clear learning path. Right now, one week, I'm all over Angular, then the next week I get stuck somewhere and I realize I need to take a step back and understand some fundamentals of ExpressJS, which is built on top of Node.JS...and it's still not clear to me where one ends and the other begins...then that's all server-side. On the client side, it's quickly becoming obvious it's not enough to just know JavaScript fundamentals, because a lot of the more useful libraries are built on top of jQuery. It's a huge mess, and I find a lot of tutorials have limited value because they commit you to one particular technology vs another.
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I JUST ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!!! THE BEST LANGUAGE I'VE EVER WORKED IN! My favorites: It's a duck-typed and scripted language, so of course the code just works. After all, there's no compilation step to tell you how you screwed up. I love languages like this because you can't screw up! I love I how I can tell my customers "YOU MUST USE CHROME!!!" because any other browser, and in particular, IE / Edge, is so behind the standards. And they're quite happy little lemmings to allow me to use the latest and greatest Javascript language features. The use of
thisandbindis also one of the most intuitive, common sense, easiest things in the world to understand! And it is SO COOL to be able to determine variable scope by keywords likevarandlet. Thank god we have moved away from variables scoped by braces! I could go on, but I'm just so besides myself with fervor that I must now go and write some Javascript, I love the language soooo much!!!!!Latest Article - Building a Prototype Web-Based Diagramming Tool with SVG and Javascript Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
I had to have 2 goes at reading that I fell off the chair laughing after the 2nd paragraph.
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I JUST ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!!! THE BEST LANGUAGE I'VE EVER WORKED IN! My favorites: It's a duck-typed and scripted language, so of course the code just works. After all, there's no compilation step to tell you how you screwed up. I love languages like this because you can't screw up! I love I how I can tell my customers "YOU MUST USE CHROME!!!" because any other browser, and in particular, IE / Edge, is so behind the standards. And they're quite happy little lemmings to allow me to use the latest and greatest Javascript language features. The use of
thisandbindis also one of the most intuitive, common sense, easiest things in the world to understand! And it is SO COOL to be able to determine variable scope by keywords likevarandlet. Thank god we have moved away from variables scoped by braces! I could go on, but I'm just so besides myself with fervor that I must now go and write some Javascript, I love the language soooo much!!!!!Latest Article - Building a Prototype Web-Based Diagramming Tool with SVG and Javascript Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
What about typescript? I like Javascript but hate typescript.:)
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My problem with JS is having too many "solutions" available to pick from, in the form of libraries/frameworks. Too many choices can be a curse. I've been coding as a profession for well over 20 years now (C/C++/C#, front-end, back-end, MFC, WinForms, etc), and while I've managed to put together what pretty much amounts to basic static HTML-based sites in decades past, I've just recently started to try to learn how to go about web development "the right way". Far as I can tell, there's still no "right way" even after all this time, because nobody seems to agree. I'd *love* to find some resource that has a clear learning path. Right now, one week, I'm all over Angular, then the next week I get stuck somewhere and I realize I need to take a step back and understand some fundamentals of ExpressJS, which is built on top of Node.JS...and it's still not clear to me where one ends and the other begins...then that's all server-side. On the client side, it's quickly becoming obvious it's not enough to just know JavaScript fundamentals, because a lot of the more useful libraries are built on top of jQuery. It's a huge mess, and I find a lot of tutorials have limited value because they commit you to one particular technology vs another.
dandy72 wrote:
jQuery. It's a huge mess,
Amen! One of my current web projects now requires exporting a table to a csv. No problem, a quick web search finds a jQuery extension for the job, only the documentation is very lean, and it doesn't work 'out of the box' for IE, and the libs seem out of date anyway...so it's back to pure javascript that I can actually debug...sometimes! :laugh:
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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What about typescript? I like Javascript but hate typescript.:)
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Yeah, one must think differently before appreciate the positive aspects of it. It's not an OO language, it is async (event driven) where process level or micro-service load balancing is one's friend. But when one try to bend it to a monolithic, OO and threading view, one find difficulties. It sucks indeed ... Of couse the heavy lifting (computational intensive) part of a system has to done natively, javascript can be a easy to use glue between these native components... I am glad that I could make good use of it, despite the less desirable aspects of it. Strangly enough, I found Visual Studio Code (javascript based) to be much more response than Visual Studio (Native) on my machine for programming javascripts, it is a suprise to me as well. It is possible that Visual Studio has much more background job to handle the intelligence of the editor, or because it created to much threads? I'd like to find out why until now ... The freedom it gives to a programmer can be a curse or a bless, it really depends on how it is used ... E.g., some of our libs are generated by programs written in strong typed languages ... I am not here to defend javascript in any sense. It is intended to provide a balanced view because there are so many 'haters' so far ...
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dandy72 wrote:
jQuery. It's a huge mess,
Amen! One of my current web projects now requires exporting a table to a csv. No problem, a quick web search finds a jQuery extension for the job, only the documentation is very lean, and it doesn't work 'out of the box' for IE, and the libs seem out of date anyway...so it's back to pure javascript that I can actually debug...sometimes! :laugh:
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
kmoorevs wrote:
so it's back to pure javascript that I can actually debug...sometimes! :laugh:
I often find that's exactly the dilemma I'm facing with web development: Do I commit to using [abc], or do go pure [xyz], at the risk of re-inventing the wheel...
