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  • C CodeWraith

    No, but if my main rotor turns clockwise, on which side should I look for the tail rotor. Port or starboard?

    I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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    Munchies_Matt
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    Depends if its a push or pull prop.

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      Depends if its a push or pull prop.

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      CodeWraith
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      The tail rotor also has a collective pitch control, so it's both. It's always installed on the opposite side to where the main rotor's torque would turn the tail, so that it pushes against it. tail rotor on the starboard side -> main rotor turns clockwise Tail rotor on the port side -> main rotor turns counterclockwise

      I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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        The tail rotor also has a collective pitch control, so it's both. It's always installed on the opposite side to where the main rotor's torque would turn the tail, so that it pushes against it. tail rotor on the starboard side -> main rotor turns clockwise Tail rotor on the port side -> main rotor turns counterclockwise

        I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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        I would expect that, the bearing is simpler.

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          I would expect that, the bearing is simpler.

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          CodeWraith
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          The big question is: Would it work if you did it the other way around? Modifying it to let the main rotor turn counterclockwise instead of clockwise would require reolacing all gears and the rotor main head. Simply turning around the tail rotor on the boom is much easier, including reversing its turning direction. Bur will it be effective this way?

          I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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          • T The pompey

            Circle your right foot in a clockwise direction. Now with your right index finger draw a 6 in the air Your foot has changed direction and there aint a damn thing you can do about it.

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            My foot doesn't move, maybe it's only for people that don't exercise? anyway if I'm bored at work [if not already at home I go home and] I just do something else.

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            • T The pompey

              Circle your right foot in a clockwise direction. Now with your right index finger draw a 6 in the air Your foot has changed direction and there aint a damn thing you can do about it.

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              Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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              It is interesting it does work for different sides, but not for the same...

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              • C CodeWraith

                The big question is: Would it work if you did it the other way around? Modifying it to let the main rotor turn counterclockwise instead of clockwise would require reolacing all gears and the rotor main head. Simply turning around the tail rotor on the boom is much easier, including reversing its turning direction. Bur will it be effective this way?

                I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                Of course not, the airfoil shape is wrong. :)

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                  My foot doesn't move, maybe it's only for people that don't exercise? anyway if I'm bored at work [if not already at home I go home and] I just do something else.

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                  The pompey
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                  Lopatir wrote:

                  My foot doesn't move, maybe it's only for people that don't exercise?

                  You're just doing it wrong.

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                  • M Munchies_Matt

                    Of course not, the airfoil shape is wrong. :)

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                    CodeWraith
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                    I know that this works from someone who accidentally installed them wrong. He said that they just made an odd noise, but they did their job.

                    I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                      I know that this works from someone who accidentally installed them wrong. He said that they just made an odd noise, but they did their job.

                      I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                      The aerofoil running backwards isnt going to produce lift as well as running forwards, so 'did their job; is highly questionable.

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                        The aerofoil running backwards isnt going to produce lift as well as running forwards, so 'did their job; is highly questionable.

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                        CodeWraith
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                        They have a symmetric crossection and collective pitch, including negative pitch. That's not so questionable and the helicopter completed it's flight and landed safely. Not so questionable after all. That model is now sitting on my microwave at home and I have been flying it for years after this little mishap of the previous owner.

                        I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                          They have a symmetric crossection and collective pitch, including negative pitch. That's not so questionable and the helicopter completed it's flight and landed safely. Not so questionable after all. That model is now sitting on my microwave at home and I have been flying it for years after this little mishap of the previous owner.

                          I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                          It isnt the symetry, it is the tear drop shape. Running it pointy edhe first is not going to produce the same lift.

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                          • T The pompey

                            Circle your right foot in a clockwise direction. Now with your right index finger draw a 6 in the air Your foot has changed direction and there aint a damn thing you can do about it.

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                            Bored you say? Never heard of that word around here. The other "B" word is often heard.

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                              It isnt the symetry, it is the tear drop shape. Running it pointy edhe first is not going to produce the same lift.

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                              Not the same lift, but obviously still enough. Obviously some energy was wasted, producing the strange howling sound. And you don't need the teardrop shape. That's an old myth that should have died long ago. Otherwise, how else could paper airplanes, very simple wooden gliders[^] or this thing[^] fly?

                              I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                                Not the same lift, but obviously still enough. Obviously some energy was wasted, producing the strange howling sound. And you don't need the teardrop shape. That's an old myth that should have died long ago. Otherwise, how else could paper airplanes, very simple wooden gliders[^] or this thing[^] fly?

                                I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                                Well yes, the drag from boundary layer separation off the steep back surface will destroy the effectiveness of the aerofoil, as well as increase drag. The only 'lift' will come from the angle of attack.

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                                  Well yes, the drag from boundary layer separation off the steep back surface will destroy the effectiveness of the aerofoil, as well as increase drag. The only 'lift' will come from the angle of attack.

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                                  CodeWraith
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                                  Correct, most of it does anyway. That's what all the collective and cyclic pitch stuff is all about: The angle of attack.

                                  I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                                  • C CodeWraith

                                    Correct, most of it does anyway. That's what all the collective and cyclic pitch stuff is all about: The angle of attack.

                                    I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                                    Well, most of an the angle of attack on a symetric foil is just to present the foil as an asymmetric one to the airflow and hence get a pressure drop in line with Bernoulis theorem. Of course you do get additional lift from increasing the angle of attack beyond that because of the downward movement of air due to that angle, and it is considerable, when used, but also expensive in terms of drag, and is of course limited by stalling when the boundary layer breaks away. At that stage the drag is huge, and the lift from Bernoulis theorem gone. This is the state your friend had his rotor in by running the aerofoil backwards. He was using it like a paddle!

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                                    • T The pompey

                                      Circle your right foot in a clockwise direction. Now with your right index finger draw a 6 in the air Your foot has changed direction and there aint a damn thing you can do about it.

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                                      I can do things like twiddle thumbs, one in each direction as well as a number of Stan Laurel's famous motion notions[^].* So - I thought I'd break this one.   Then I realized what sort of quest upon which I was about to embark. * I can do the enhanced version wherein one claps between knees terminal points. First once, then twice, etc. I am indeed multi-talented.

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                                      • T The pompey

                                        Circle your right foot in a clockwise direction. Now with your right index finger draw a 6 in the air Your foot has changed direction and there aint a damn thing you can do about it.

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                                        charlieg
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                                        dude - evil

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                                        • T The pompey

                                          Circle your right foot in a clockwise direction. Now with your right index finger draw a 6 in the air Your foot has changed direction and there aint a damn thing you can do about it.

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                                          Nish Nishant
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                                          Did not work for me as I kept drawing 9s in the air. :rolleyes:

                                          Nish Nishant Consultant Software Architect Ganymede Software Solutions LLC www.ganymedesoftwaresolutions.com

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