Updates...opposite approaches, both failing
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As much as I hate to walk up to my computer in the morning and find out it's been rebooted because Windows decided to install some updates that triggered a reboot, at least that doesn't happen nearly as much as Android seems to wait for me to start using my tablet to download updates, slowing it down to the point of making it unusable. That seems to be the case every time I reach for it and pick it up. I never explicitly turn off my tablet - the screen eventually turns off on its own, and tapping it brings it back to life immediately, so I know it--at least--has NOT done a full shutdown. So why can't it use the time when it knows I'm away from it to update itself rather than wait for me to start using it, which seems totally backwards... I have at least 3 Android tablets, ranging from 4.3 to 6.0, that get some regular use. And they all do that.
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As much as I hate to walk up to my computer in the morning and find out it's been rebooted because Windows decided to install some updates that triggered a reboot, at least that doesn't happen nearly as much as Android seems to wait for me to start using my tablet to download updates, slowing it down to the point of making it unusable. That seems to be the case every time I reach for it and pick it up. I never explicitly turn off my tablet - the screen eventually turns off on its own, and tapping it brings it back to life immediately, so I know it--at least--has NOT done a full shutdown. So why can't it use the time when it knows I'm away from it to update itself rather than wait for me to start using it, which seems totally backwards... I have at least 3 Android tablets, ranging from 4.3 to 6.0, that get some regular use. And they all do that.
I just walked to my computer and pulled a new part it had printed overnight out of the 3D printer. If I had found a ruined half printed part instead, I would probably already be thinking about a replacement. Not that I would ever even think of installing Win 10 for this and other reasons. And yeah, all my problems can be fixed. Sure, but why get something that requires so many 'fixes' in the first place?
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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As much as I hate to walk up to my computer in the morning and find out it's been rebooted because Windows decided to install some updates that triggered a reboot, at least that doesn't happen nearly as much as Android seems to wait for me to start using my tablet to download updates, slowing it down to the point of making it unusable. That seems to be the case every time I reach for it and pick it up. I never explicitly turn off my tablet - the screen eventually turns off on its own, and tapping it brings it back to life immediately, so I know it--at least--has NOT done a full shutdown. So why can't it use the time when it knows I'm away from it to update itself rather than wait for me to start using it, which seems totally backwards... I have at least 3 Android tablets, ranging from 4.3 to 6.0, that get some regular use. And they all do that.
In my Androids (phone and tablet) WiFi goes sleeping with the screen, so no network connection to use... That can be configured, so you may try it...
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
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As much as I hate to walk up to my computer in the morning and find out it's been rebooted because Windows decided to install some updates that triggered a reboot, at least that doesn't happen nearly as much as Android seems to wait for me to start using my tablet to download updates, slowing it down to the point of making it unusable. That seems to be the case every time I reach for it and pick it up. I never explicitly turn off my tablet - the screen eventually turns off on its own, and tapping it brings it back to life immediately, so I know it--at least--has NOT done a full shutdown. So why can't it use the time when it knows I'm away from it to update itself rather than wait for me to start using it, which seems totally backwards... I have at least 3 Android tablets, ranging from 4.3 to 6.0, that get some regular use. And they all do that.
I suspect it has probably got something to do with not wanting to drain the battery without user noticing. If you ever notice the battery drain during these updates you'll see that it is too much. But then this reasoning would mean that the phone should update if/when connected to the charger whether or not the screen is on, I wouldn't know the answer I never hooked up my phone for that long. But if you are really tired of these updates you could just turn auto update off from PlayStore app or keep your phone's battery below 30.
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As much as I hate to walk up to my computer in the morning and find out it's been rebooted because Windows decided to install some updates that triggered a reboot, at least that doesn't happen nearly as much as Android seems to wait for me to start using my tablet to download updates, slowing it down to the point of making it unusable. That seems to be the case every time I reach for it and pick it up. I never explicitly turn off my tablet - the screen eventually turns off on its own, and tapping it brings it back to life immediately, so I know it--at least--has NOT done a full shutdown. So why can't it use the time when it knows I'm away from it to update itself rather than wait for me to start using it, which seems totally backwards... I have at least 3 Android tablets, ranging from 4.3 to 6.0, that get some regular use. And they all do that.
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I suspect it has probably got something to do with not wanting to drain the battery without user noticing. If you ever notice the battery drain during these updates you'll see that it is too much. But then this reasoning would mean that the phone should update if/when connected to the charger whether or not the screen is on, I wouldn't know the answer I never hooked up my phone for that long. But if you are really tired of these updates you could just turn auto update off from PlayStore app or keep your phone's battery below 30.
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I disable Windows Update since 2004. Guess why?
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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My tablets are wired in and being charged pretty much constantly, except for what little time I spend actually using them.
Hmm... Seems like they don't want to update in in-active hours. You could make a suggestion on Gogle Products Platform or make a bit of a mess and publicly call them out on Twitter.
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Because all your machines remain offline all the time and thus it's not important for any of them to ever be updated?
Because in 14 years I never, ever got any security problems thanks to antivirus and firewalls? And that's even on production machines that are on 24/7 still running Windows 2000.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Hmm... Seems like they don't want to update in in-active hours. You could make a suggestion on Gogle Products Platform or make a bit of a mess and publicly call them out on Twitter.
If I was the type to complain at Google, the first thing I'd suggest would be to get the hardware OEMs to push out their OS upgrades. None of my tablets have ever had a single one of them. That's the only reason I have multiple Android tablets to begin with. And I'm done playing their game.
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Because in 14 years I never, ever got any security problems thanks to antivirus and firewalls? And that's even on production machines that are on 24/7 still running Windows 2000.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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That's pretty much what I was saying. If you never take out a Windows 2000 machine for a spin on the internet, then yeah, who cares about keeping it up to date...
They are on the Internet. With appropriate company-wide firewalls and no monkey allowed to surf the web with it there are 0 problems at all.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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If I was the type to complain at Google, the first thing I'd suggest would be to get the hardware OEMs to push out their OS upgrades. None of my tablets have ever had a single one of them. That's the only reason I have multiple Android tablets to begin with. And I'm done playing their game.
I hear google is somehow now forcing the manufacturers to push OS updates regularly. Not sure how though. EDIT Just googled it: Apparently they are now putting it in there contract Google will force Android phone makers to issue regular security updates - CNET[] but these are just security updates, OS will probably remain the same.
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They are on the Internet. With appropriate company-wide firewalls and no monkey allowed to surf the web with it there are 0 problems at all.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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I hear google is somehow now forcing the manufacturers to push OS updates regularly. Not sure how though. EDIT Just googled it: Apparently they are now putting it in there contract Google will force Android phone makers to issue regular security updates - CNET[] but these are just security updates, OS will probably remain the same.
Abbas A. Ali wrote:
Apparently they are now putting it in there contract Google will force Android phone makers to issue regular security updates
I mentioned I have 3 Android tablets - I actually have one more, but it's so old now that I've stopped using it entirely. So Google's promise now is that if only I bought a fifth tablet, they would really, really, for real this time, pinky swear, keep it up to date? Can you understand my skepticism? I've already dropped over a grand on this abandonware platform. Pardon me for feeling stupid if I were to continue that and expect a different result.
Abbas A. Ali wrote:
but these are just security updates, OS will probably remain the same.
Funny how I can take the crappiest computer I still have and install the most current version of Windows 10 on it. Or plenty of Linux distributions. Yet Android devices are completely stuck in time.
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Abbas A. Ali wrote:
Apparently they are now putting it in there contract Google will force Android phone makers to issue regular security updates
I mentioned I have 3 Android tablets - I actually have one more, but it's so old now that I've stopped using it entirely. So Google's promise now is that if only I bought a fifth tablet, they would really, really, for real this time, pinky swear, keep it up to date? Can you understand my skepticism? I've already dropped over a grand on this abandonware platform. Pardon me for feeling stupid if I were to continue that and expect a different result.
Abbas A. Ali wrote:
but these are just security updates, OS will probably remain the same.
Funny how I can take the crappiest computer I still have and install the most current version of Windows 10 on it. Or plenty of Linux distributions. Yet Android devices are completely stuck in time.
I would only ask that if this is your desire why do you not own pure Android devices? Nexus/Pixel devices are always on the latest and if you are willing to root after they stop receiving updates from Google you can install third-party ROM's that will keep you running even further. For example, my OG Motorola Droid is currently running Android 4.1 even though they stopped supporting it at 2.2.3. That's a far cry from 8.0 currently but I don't think running Win10 on a machine that could only handle Win98 is going to be very functional either. WinXP maybe...
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I would only ask that if this is your desire why do you not own pure Android devices? Nexus/Pixel devices are always on the latest and if you are willing to root after they stop receiving updates from Google you can install third-party ROM's that will keep you running even further. For example, my OG Motorola Droid is currently running Android 4.1 even though they stopped supporting it at 2.2.3. That's a far cry from 8.0 currently but I don't think running Win10 on a machine that could only handle Win98 is going to be very functional either. WinXP maybe...
Wartickler wrote:
I would only ask that if this is your desire why do you not own pure Android devices? Nexus/Pixel devices are always on the latest
Had the Pixel series existed at the time I bought my newest Android tablet, I would've looked at it. As for the Nexus - I've never seen 'em in person, and I'm underwhelmed by what I'm finding on Amazon right now. Why are they not all over the place? And WTF's with [this](https://www.amazon.ca/Google-Pixel-64GB-NVIDIA-Maxwell/dp/B01945NI1Y) $4300 tablet??
Wartickler wrote:
I don't think running Win10 on a machine that could only handle Win98 is going to be very functional either. WinXP maybe
At least you have a choice. I wouldn't mind leaving my oldest tablet in the kitchen as nothing but an appliance showing the Weather Network's forecast page, but nowadays, its browser's so old most pages won't render properly. If I could run a more recent browser - which requires a more recent OS - then I'd get some mileage out of it, even if it's slow (who cares - it'd only need to display a static screen, updated maybe once an hour).
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I would only ask that if this is your desire why do you not own pure Android devices? Nexus/Pixel devices are always on the latest and if you are willing to root after they stop receiving updates from Google you can install third-party ROM's that will keep you running even further. For example, my OG Motorola Droid is currently running Android 4.1 even though they stopped supporting it at 2.2.3. That's a far cry from 8.0 currently but I don't think running Win10 on a machine that could only handle Win98 is going to be very functional either. WinXP maybe...
I haven't used Pixel but Nexus, I have two of them and let me tell you they are not something you wanna own as a consumer, they are practically overly rated phones. They have the same OS, same features and they are almost never consistently updated sometimes in the name of leaving the past behind, sometimes backwards compatibility is an issue, sometimes they've got better/newer things to do or sometimes they are just plain lazy.
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you can install third-party ROM's
Could do that effort and lose time, money and let the corporate world win. I agree with @dandy72 on this one. Tablets are a waste of time with no real use. Come to think of it so are the smartphones but atleast they are more frequently updated and you do need to keep in touch with people living outside your own head. PS I only have 4 tablets cause I am an Android Dev and need to keep the app up to date with Tablet screens.
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Abbas A. Ali wrote:
Apparently they are now putting it in there contract Google will force Android phone makers to issue regular security updates
I mentioned I have 3 Android tablets - I actually have one more, but it's so old now that I've stopped using it entirely. So Google's promise now is that if only I bought a fifth tablet, they would really, really, for real this time, pinky swear, keep it up to date? Can you understand my skepticism? I've already dropped over a grand on this abandonware platform. Pardon me for feeling stupid if I were to continue that and expect a different result.
Abbas A. Ali wrote:
but these are just security updates, OS will probably remain the same.
Funny how I can take the crappiest computer I still have and install the most current version of Windows 10 on it. Or plenty of Linux distributions. Yet Android devices are completely stuck in time.
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Google's promise now is that if only I bought a fifth tablet, they would really, really, for real this time, pinky swear, keep it up to date?
Yeah I can, I am not some android supporter just an Android Dev who just keeps an eye out for the latest news. BTW if you really want that 4th tablet to use (put on the kitchen shelf) you could either update with the available ROMs (as suggested by @wartickler) or write your own weather app. Though I should warn you if it is a pre lollipop tablet you may run into non availability of TLS Version compatibility issue which may or may not be fixable. Till kitkat they are fixable! Before them, I have no idea.
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I haven't used Pixel but Nexus, I have two of them and let me tell you they are not something you wanna own as a consumer, they are practically overly rated phones. They have the same OS, same features and they are almost never consistently updated sometimes in the name of leaving the past behind, sometimes backwards compatibility is an issue, sometimes they've got better/newer things to do or sometimes they are just plain lazy.
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you can install third-party ROM's
Could do that effort and lose time, money and let the corporate world win. I agree with @dandy72 on this one. Tablets are a waste of time with no real use. Come to think of it so are the smartphones but atleast they are more frequently updated and you do need to keep in touch with people living outside your own head. PS I only have 4 tablets cause I am an Android Dev and need to keep the app up to date with Tablet screens.
I'm just saying I'm beyond frustrated with Android, I despise Apple as a company, and IMO Windows 10 on a tablet is just contrived (not to suggest I don't like my Surface tablets - just that Windows in that form factor isn't a great experience). So, this state of the tablet market leaves me rather uninterested. Which is why I don't feel compelled to get a newer tablet even if I'm promised it'll be kept up to date. As for whether tablets in general are "waste of time with no real use"...well, maybe that's harsh, I could agree or disagree on different days. I'm not a phone fan, because here again the only real options are Android and iOS. Where am I going with this? The only thing I'm sure of is that even though I'm very much a gadget guy, I simply don't feel very excited about the current options. That's all.
