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  • realJSOPR realJSOP

    If mankind wasn't there to perceive it, would time still exist?

    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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    When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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    I'll tell you yesterday.

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    • realJSOPR realJSOP

      If mankind wasn't there to perceive it, would time still exist?

      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
      -----
      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
      -----
      When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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      CPallini
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      Yes, of course.

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      • realJSOPR realJSOP

        If mankind wasn't there to perceive it, would time still exist?

        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
        -----
        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
        -----
        When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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        W Balboos GHB
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        Consequence of the thermodynamics, giving direction to the universe, wherein it is stated if two bodies of different temperatures are in thermal contact, heat flows from the warmer body to the cooler one. This, assuming a non-empty universe, implies time and its direction.

        Ravings en masse^

        "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

        "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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        • realJSOPR realJSOP

          If mankind wasn't there to perceive it, would time still exist?

          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
          -----
          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
          -----
          When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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          Slacker007
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          Some say time does not exist really. Humans invented time for obvious reasons. physics and mathematics say yes, again for obvious reasons. Who knows.

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          • realJSOPR realJSOP

            If mankind wasn't there to perceive it, would time still exist?

            ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
            -----
            You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
            -----
            When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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            dan sh
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            The magazine? Of course not. But why are you reading it?

            "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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            • realJSOPR realJSOP

              If mankind wasn't there to perceive it, would time still exist?

              ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
              -----
              You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
              -----
              When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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              Mike Hankey
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              If mankind wasn't here who would care?

              Everyone has a photographic memory; some just don't have film. Steven Wright

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              • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                If mankind wasn't here who would care?

                Everyone has a photographic memory; some just don't have film. Steven Wright

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                Daniel Pfeffer
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                Mike Hankey wrote:

                If mankind I wasn't here who would I care?

                FTFY :)

                Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                • realJSOPR realJSOP

                  If mankind wasn't there to perceive it, would time still exist?

                  ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                  -----
                  You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                  -----
                  When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                  Chris C B
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                  Time is the inevitable outcome of living in a universe that has a law of entropy.

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                  • D dan sh

                    The magazine? Of course not. But why are you reading it?

                    "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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                    Pete OHanlon
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                    He's hoping to be man of the year.

                    This space for rent

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                    • realJSOPR realJSOP

                      If mankind wasn't there to perceive it, would time still exist?

                      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                      -----
                      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                      -----
                      When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                      raddevus
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                      In the future time is outmoded. Once things happen fast enough* time stops because all things are complete at once. I think it occurs when your download speeds hit 1PBPS (Petabit). :rolleyes: *Think about that too... Two Ways To Stop Time Make everything happen so fast it all happens at once: time stops. Make everything happen so slowly that nothing happens: time stops. :cool:

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                      • D Daniel Pfeffer

                        Mike Hankey wrote:

                        If mankind I wasn't here who would I care?

                        FTFY :)

                        Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                        Mike Hankey
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                        Prexactly

                        Everyone has a photographic memory; some just don't have film. Steven Wright

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                        • realJSOPR realJSOP

                          If mankind wasn't there to perceive it, would time still exist?

                          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                          -----
                          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                          -----
                          When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                          Yes. Time does not need to be observed to exist; it also seemed to exist before we observed it. We know by the way we observe background-radiation that is a bit older than this planet, which is a bit older than the fossils it contains.

                          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                            Some say time does not exist really. Humans invented time for obvious reasons. physics and mathematics say yes, again for obvious reasons. Who knows.

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                            Slacker007 wrote:

                            Some say time does not exist really.

                            Which is nonsense; it is a phenomena we can measure, and whose effects are obvious.

                            Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                            • C Chris C B

                              Time is the inevitable outcome of living in a universe that has a law of entropy.

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                              W Balboos GHB
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                              Consider: Entropy gives a direction to time - but is it an inevitable outcome that time exists just because something would influence it?   I'm no sure that entropy implies time. Perhaps the reverse?

                              Ravings en masse^

                              "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                              "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                Yes. Time does not need to be observed to exist; it also seemed to exist before we observed it. We know by the way we observe background-radiation that is a bit older than this planet, which is a bit older than the fossils it contains.

                                Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                                Consider if the universe were an absolute void. I would put forward that time doesn't exist because nothing happens and nothing can happen. This is the ultimate in a stateless condition. Now, as soon as there is something, or better yet, somethings, the possibility of time becomes more and more a mandatory consequence.

                                Ravings en masse^

                                "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                  If mankind wasn't there to perceive it, would time still exist?

                                  ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                  -----
                                  You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                  -----
                                  When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                  The sun and the earth were made 5000 years ago. This is when time started. Bible says so. Also dinosaurs were timeless spirits from the aether. Try not to stomp on the butterfly! This is not a server crash: If nobody tried to login to the website, did the server crash?

                                  They buy shoes, then they wear them! They make them sound old! Dairy! Dairy!

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                                  • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                                    Prexactly

                                    Everyone has a photographic memory; some just don't have film. Steven Wright

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                                    How is that pronounced?

                                    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                    -----
                                    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                    -----
                                    When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                    • W W Balboos GHB

                                      Consider if the universe were an absolute void. I would put forward that time doesn't exist because nothing happens and nothing can happen. This is the ultimate in a stateless condition. Now, as soon as there is something, or better yet, somethings, the possibility of time becomes more and more a mandatory consequence.

                                      Ravings en masse^

                                      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                      I am familiar with the big-bang theory. It also does not limit its existence to when there is an observer.

                                      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                                        Consider if the universe were an absolute void. I would put forward that time doesn't exist because nothing happens and nothing can happen. This is the ultimate in a stateless condition. Now, as soon as there is something, or better yet, somethings, the possibility of time becomes more and more a mandatory consequence.

                                        Ravings en masse^

                                        "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                        "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                        The absence of matter does not mean nothing happens. Because of the uncertainty principle you have processes happening even in an empty space. [Casimir effect - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir\_effect) and Hawking radiation per example. For time to vanish, you need to have a hypothetical state with zero degrees of freedom.

                                        They buy shoes, then they wear them! They make them sound old! Dairy! Dairy!

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                                          The absence of matter does not mean nothing happens. Because of the uncertainty principle you have processes happening even in an empty space. [Casimir effect - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir\_effect) and Hawking radiation per example. For time to vanish, you need to have a hypothetical state with zero degrees of freedom.

                                          They buy shoes, then they wear them! They make them sound old! Dairy! Dairy!

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                                          W Balboos GHB
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                                          Absolute Void. There is no frame of reference for 'anything' because there is nothing. Do you have any degrees of freedom for that?

                                          Ravings en masse^

                                          "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                          "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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