Time
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If mankind wasn't there to perceive it, would time still exist?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013If mankind wasn't here who would care?
Everyone has a photographic memory; some just don't have film. Steven Wright
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If mankind wasn't here who would care?
Everyone has a photographic memory; some just don't have film. Steven Wright
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If mankind wasn't there to perceive it, would time still exist?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
He's hoping to be man of the year.
This space for rent
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If mankind wasn't there to perceive it, would time still exist?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013In the future time is outmoded. Once things happen fast enough* time stops because all things are complete at once. I think it occurs when your download speeds hit 1PBPS (Petabit). :rolleyes: *Think about that too... Two Ways To Stop Time Make everything happen so fast it all happens at once: time stops. Make everything happen so slowly that nothing happens: time stops. :cool:
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Mike Hankey wrote:
If mankind I wasn't here who would I care?
FTFY :)
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If mankind wasn't there to perceive it, would time still exist?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Yes. Time does not need to be observed to exist; it also seemed to exist before we observed it. We know by the way we observe background-radiation that is a bit older than this planet, which is a bit older than the fossils it contains.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Some say time does not exist really. Humans invented time for obvious reasons. physics and mathematics say yes, again for obvious reasons. Who knows.
Slacker007 wrote:
Some say time does not exist really.
Which is nonsense; it is a phenomena we can measure, and whose effects are obvious.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Consider: Entropy gives a direction to time - but is it an inevitable outcome that time exists just because something would influence it? I'm no sure that entropy implies time. Perhaps the reverse?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Yes. Time does not need to be observed to exist; it also seemed to exist before we observed it. We know by the way we observe background-radiation that is a bit older than this planet, which is a bit older than the fossils it contains.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Consider if the universe were an absolute void. I would put forward that time doesn't exist because nothing happens and nothing can happen. This is the ultimate in a stateless condition. Now, as soon as there is something, or better yet, somethings, the possibility of time becomes more and more a mandatory consequence.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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If mankind wasn't there to perceive it, would time still exist?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013The sun and the earth were made 5000 years ago. This is when time started. Bible says so. Also dinosaurs were timeless spirits from the aether. Try not to stomp on the butterfly! This is not a server crash: If nobody tried to login to the website, did the server crash?
They buy shoes, then they wear them! They make them sound old! Dairy! Dairy!
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Prexactly
Everyone has a photographic memory; some just don't have film. Steven Wright
How is that pronounced?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Consider if the universe were an absolute void. I would put forward that time doesn't exist because nothing happens and nothing can happen. This is the ultimate in a stateless condition. Now, as soon as there is something, or better yet, somethings, the possibility of time becomes more and more a mandatory consequence.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I am familiar with the big-bang theory. It also does not limit its existence to when there is an observer.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Consider if the universe were an absolute void. I would put forward that time doesn't exist because nothing happens and nothing can happen. This is the ultimate in a stateless condition. Now, as soon as there is something, or better yet, somethings, the possibility of time becomes more and more a mandatory consequence.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
The absence of matter does not mean nothing happens. Because of the uncertainty principle you have processes happening even in an empty space. [Casimir effect - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir\_effect) and Hawking radiation per example. For time to vanish, you need to have a hypothetical state with zero degrees of freedom.
They buy shoes, then they wear them! They make them sound old! Dairy! Dairy!
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The absence of matter does not mean nothing happens. Because of the uncertainty principle you have processes happening even in an empty space. [Casimir effect - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir\_effect) and Hawking radiation per example. For time to vanish, you need to have a hypothetical state with zero degrees of freedom.
They buy shoes, then they wear them! They make them sound old! Dairy! Dairy!
Absolute Void. There is no frame of reference for 'anything' because there is nothing. Do you have any degrees of freedom for that?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I am familiar with the big-bang theory. It also does not limit its existence to when there is an observer.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
In an absolute void, there's nothing to go 'bang' - even a singularity would mean we do not have an absolute void. Or - are you hypothesizing nothing will hypothetically become something, eventually? Excuse the recursion as 'eventually' pre-supposes time, which is the item in question.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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In an absolute void, there's nothing to go 'bang' - even a singularity would mean we do not have an absolute void. Or - are you hypothesizing nothing will hypothetically become something, eventually? Excuse the recursion as 'eventually' pre-supposes time, which is the item in question.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
In an absolute void, there's nothing to go 'bang' - even a singularity would mean we do not have an absolute void.
There is, half a cat's worth. First there was nothing, then there was half a cat, which caused the universe to expand.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Or - are you hypothesizing nothing will hypothetically become something, eventually? Excuse the recursion as 'eventually' pre-supposes time, which is the item in question.
That is currently used as the most probable thing to have happened. The idea that time does not exist in a void might only mathematically be true; time in a void is meaningless mathematically, since there is no "from A to B", there cannot be time that passes when travelling between those points (mathematically), but it may still exist. If you have any better explanation which does not involve any Gods, I'm all ears :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
In an absolute void, there's nothing to go 'bang' - even a singularity would mean we do not have an absolute void.
There is, half a cat's worth. First there was nothing, then there was half a cat, which caused the universe to expand.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Or - are you hypothesizing nothing will hypothetically become something, eventually? Excuse the recursion as 'eventually' pre-supposes time, which is the item in question.
That is currently used as the most probable thing to have happened. The idea that time does not exist in a void might only mathematically be true; time in a void is meaningless mathematically, since there is no "from A to B", there cannot be time that passes when travelling between those points (mathematically), but it may still exist. If you have any better explanation which does not involve any Gods, I'm all ears :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
There is, half a cat's worth. First there was nothing, then there was half a cat, which caused the universe to expand.
All of that does depend, does it not, in not knowing what's in the box? Suppose there were no box and you looked at a location - the probability factor is not the same concept at all: it is or it isn't. The box, hiding the cat (or whether it's alive or not) is an important component. An all-encompassing absolute void? That is stateless. The cat is not stateless.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Consider: Entropy gives a direction to time - but is it an inevitable outcome that time exists just because something would influence it? I'm no sure that entropy implies time. Perhaps the reverse?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
There is, half a cat's worth. First there was nothing, then there was half a cat, which caused the universe to expand.
All of that does depend, does it not, in not knowing what's in the box? Suppose there were no box and you looked at a location - the probability factor is not the same concept at all: it is or it isn't. The box, hiding the cat (or whether it's alive or not) is an important component. An all-encompassing absolute void? That is stateless. The cat is not stateless.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
An all-encompassing absolute void? That is stateless.
How can a void be all-encompassing? :D There is not a void now, so it may be safe to say that there was not a "perfect void".
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
