I went to the soapbox to find lively conversation and found crickets
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Really? There are two aspects to the sun. TSI and sun spots. TSI is the energy output by the sun. This has increased over the last 100 years be a couple of watts. Sun spot activity has also increased over the last century to a peak about 20 years ago. It has fallen since, but is still much higher than in 1900. Sun spots means solar wind, this affects cosmic rays, which affects clouds, and hence solar energy at the surface. So there is also cosmic ray density in space to consider. But what ERBE shows is that increasing outgoing LWR means surface warming is not due to retained LWR, obviously.
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Why is it amusing to you?
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Why is it amusing to you?
I am enjoying your frustration, and don't like the sound of crickets. You've been looking for arguments that fit your opinion (aka cherry picking) for quite some time now. Few people will take it seriously, so no real harm will come from these threads. Still I will keep correcting you, just to prevent someone from accidentally believing that your opinion has some merit.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I am enjoying your frustration, and don't like the sound of crickets. You've been looking for arguments that fit your opinion (aka cherry picking) for quite some time now. Few people will take it seriously, so no real harm will come from these threads. Still I will keep correcting you, just to prevent someone from accidentally believing that your opinion has some merit.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Feel free to correct me. Feel free to offer up any valid counter evidence. You havent done yet so there is always a first time. And no, not frustrated, just enjoying exposing the utter lack of valid counter argument coming from you. :)
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Feel free to correct me. Feel free to offer up any valid counter evidence. You havent done yet so there is always a first time. And no, not frustrated, just enjoying exposing the utter lack of valid counter argument coming from you. :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Feel free to correct me. Feel free to offer up any valid counter evidence. You havent done yet so there is always a first time.
Look up "burden of proof" :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
And no, not frustrated, just enjoying exposing the utter lack of valid counter argument coming from you. :)
I do not need to counter-argument; I have the data of local weatherstations and can confirm the trend. You otoh have gone from denying GW to denying AGW, and now it is CAGW. Deny all you want :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Feel free to correct me. Feel free to offer up any valid counter evidence. You havent done yet so there is always a first time.
Look up "burden of proof" :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
And no, not frustrated, just enjoying exposing the utter lack of valid counter argument coming from you. :)
I do not need to counter-argument; I have the data of local weatherstations and can confirm the trend. You otoh have gone from denying GW to denying AGW, and now it is CAGW. Deny all you want :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
and can confirm the trend.
My argument is ERBE shows a warming trend. How is this a counter argument if it agrees? :)
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
You otoh have gone from denying GW
No I have not.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
AGW
No I have not.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
now it is CAGW
It always has been. Let me lay it out for you again. 1) The earth has warmed 2) man has played a part (97% of scientists think this too. Doram Zimmerman poll). However that warming by man is not great, and is certainly not catastrophic. Is it so hard to understand that there is middle ground? :)
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
and can confirm the trend.
My argument is ERBE shows a warming trend. How is this a counter argument if it agrees? :)
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
You otoh have gone from denying GW
No I have not.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
AGW
No I have not.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
now it is CAGW
It always has been. Let me lay it out for you again. 1) The earth has warmed 2) man has played a part (97% of scientists think this too. Doram Zimmerman poll). However that warming by man is not great, and is certainly not catastrophic. Is it so hard to understand that there is middle ground? :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
However that warming by man is not great, and is certainly not catastrophic.
Any change is catastrophic, as already explained in terms that a five-year old can understand. You were saying?
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
However that warming by man is not great, and is certainly not catastrophic.
Any change is catastrophic, as already explained in terms that a five-year old can understand. You were saying?
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
You did indeed use a five year olds logic to try to make that connection.... Of course not all change is catastrophic. Did the change from the end of the ice age to today result in catastrophe? No. Did the change over the last 100 years do so? No. Would a new ice age be? Yes. Northern Europe sitting under a 2 mile thick ice sheet. That is catastrophic.
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You did indeed use a five year olds logic to try to make that connection.... Of course not all change is catastrophic. Did the change from the end of the ice age to today result in catastrophe? No. Did the change over the last 100 years do so? No. Would a new ice age be? Yes. Northern Europe sitting under a 2 mile thick ice sheet. That is catastrophic.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Northern Europe sitting under a 2 mile thick ice sheet. That is catastrophic.
Northern Europe having to harvest early due to drought isn't? :laugh:
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Northern Europe sitting under a 2 mile thick ice sheet. That is catastrophic.
Northern Europe having to harvest early due to drought isn't? :laugh:
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
And they can harvest early because the produce is ripe. Due to warmth. Slam dunk, and he rams it home. In his own goal. Well done! :laugh: :laugh:
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And they can harvest early because the produce is ripe. Due to warmth. Slam dunk, and he rams it home. In his own goal. Well done! :laugh: :laugh:
Munchies_Matt wrote:
And they can harvest early because the produce is ripe. Due to warmth.
Not ripe, but having some harvest is better than none. Watch the price of potatoes, and see how "beneficial" the warming is :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
However that warming by man is not great, and is certainly not catastrophic.
Any change is catastrophic, as already explained in terms that a five-year old can understand. You were saying?
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Any change is catastrophic
Only to snowflakes. :-D
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Any change is catastrophic
Only to snowflakes. :-D
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
And they can harvest early because the produce is ripe. Due to warmth.
Not ripe, but having some harvest is better than none. Watch the price of potatoes, and see how "beneficial" the warming is :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Oh, so you have proof they are harvesting unripe wheat? (Potatoes and beat are harvested in October. And it has started raining. )
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You like that one? There is double meaning in it. :-\
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
Yes, pretty obvious. :)
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Oh, so you have proof they are harvesting unripe wheat? (Potatoes and beat are harvested in October. And it has started raining. )
Droogte stuwt prijs oude aardappeloogst - Boerderij.nl[^] Zeeuwse boeren oogsten mais eerder vanwege ernstige droogte - Dit is Midden-Zeeland[^]
With the prospect of the further drought of the coming weeks, many farmers have chosen eggs for their money. They decided to harvest their crops earlier, so that the damage is limited. Because of the heavy rain in the beginning of the season and the prolonged drought, the crops did not get a chance to grow. Because of the drought the corn plants even dry out and they do not have the yield they normally have. The size of the damage of the drought in total is not yet known.
Those who planted wine-grapes are having an unexpected good harvest. So while food-prices go up, at least we'll have enough wine.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Droogte stuwt prijs oude aardappeloogst - Boerderij.nl[^] Zeeuwse boeren oogsten mais eerder vanwege ernstige droogte - Dit is Midden-Zeeland[^]
With the prospect of the further drought of the coming weeks, many farmers have chosen eggs for their money. They decided to harvest their crops earlier, so that the damage is limited. Because of the heavy rain in the beginning of the season and the prolonged drought, the crops did not get a chance to grow. Because of the drought the corn plants even dry out and they do not have the yield they normally have. The size of the damage of the drought in total is not yet known.
Those who planted wine-grapes are having an unexpected good harvest. So while food-prices go up, at least we'll have enough wine.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
So the potato price spiked this week at 9 euros a 100 kgs, instead of 4, and that is a catastrophe is it? But regardless, what has one years freak event, repeated ever few decades or so, got to do with climate?
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So the potato price spiked this week at 9 euros a 100 kgs, instead of 4, and that is a catastrophe is it? But regardless, what has one years freak event, repeated ever few decades or so, got to do with climate?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
It has started raining though, a few weeks back.
Not enough to save the harvest, and the measures put in place by the government to save water still remain active. Pests like blue algae thrive; causing a lot of fish to die. Must be beneficial, because "you said so" :suss:
Munchies_Matt wrote:
But regardless, what has one years freak event, repeated ever few decades or so, got to do with climate?
As explained a thousand times before; it is not a freak-year, there is a trend. You can look at the trend by plotting the raw measurements in Excel.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
But in fact wheat is ripe, many fruits are too (the apples in my garden in the UK are ready, weeks ahead of normal).
And we all know that most livestock is fed with apples and grapes :D
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.