Thought Experiment: If The Web Went Away
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What would you really lose? I mean is the web really that innovative? Most of the Web : Not Useful Most of the web is completely not useful to the point of only being a distraction. Not Just Talking About Twitter and Facebook Uselessness And I'm not talking about Twitter and Facebook. I would definitely miss CP. I learn a lot here. But real daily useful functionality...there ain't much of it on the web. Headline: Restau_rant_ Inspires Man to Rant This rant was inspired by a restaurant chain which allows you to put in your dinner reservation. Well, not really. Instead it is just a distraction. I went to the site and it said, Put in your name to make your reservation. If your party is larger than 7 then call. Ours was 8 so I called. Me: I'd like to put in a reservation for 6:30. Restaurant-Worker: We don't do that. You can do it online. Me: well, the web page says to call if party is larger than 7 and we have 8. Restaurant-Worker: Oh, well, just put in 7 and then change it when you get here. Note: she said 7 which is incorrect, since max is 6. Me: [A vessel pops in my forehead and I'm rendered speechless.] I go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web. The Web (Waste-land) Not Internet And, keep in mind, I'm saying the web, not The Internet. The Internet allows me to watch television on-demand so that is good. Seriously For One Moment What would you really lose? The ability to pay your bills, maybe. On sites that also don't work well. :rolleyes: Not much else. Oh, sure devs wouldn't have StackOverflow. But that would probably be better. I liked books and esoteric knowledge. :rolleyes:
raddevus wrote:
go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web.
Seen this before, the intention is rather than have you walk in and ask for a table and then hang around the reception area while they chase someone else out then clean up etc they want you to wait somewhere else. Avoids crowds loitering around waiting for their table(s) blocking traffic flow and arguments when larger groups wait longer than later arriving couples. Can even be a fire safety / insurance reasons where waiting groups may push them over their allowed max body count. As to the limit of 7 (or 6), it's a safety to stop wankers or evil competitors booking for say 30 and not showing up. For genuine large bookings I believe the [intended] process is/was first create the on-line booking so it's 'in their system,' and then call to increase the number (so now they have your caller-id - sort of like a 2FA for large group bookings / repeat bogus booking wankers). Sounds like since creating this the staff has changed a few times and the newer ones don't know this. (i.e. It does sound like the person you spoke to on the phone was not well trained anyway.)
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What would you really lose? I mean is the web really that innovative? Most of the Web : Not Useful Most of the web is completely not useful to the point of only being a distraction. Not Just Talking About Twitter and Facebook Uselessness And I'm not talking about Twitter and Facebook. I would definitely miss CP. I learn a lot here. But real daily useful functionality...there ain't much of it on the web. Headline: Restau_rant_ Inspires Man to Rant This rant was inspired by a restaurant chain which allows you to put in your dinner reservation. Well, not really. Instead it is just a distraction. I went to the site and it said, Put in your name to make your reservation. If your party is larger than 7 then call. Ours was 8 so I called. Me: I'd like to put in a reservation for 6:30. Restaurant-Worker: We don't do that. You can do it online. Me: well, the web page says to call if party is larger than 7 and we have 8. Restaurant-Worker: Oh, well, just put in 7 and then change it when you get here. Note: she said 7 which is incorrect, since max is 6. Me: [A vessel pops in my forehead and I'm rendered speechless.] I go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web. The Web (Waste-land) Not Internet And, keep in mind, I'm saying the web, not The Internet. The Internet allows me to watch television on-demand so that is good. Seriously For One Moment What would you really lose? The ability to pay your bills, maybe. On sites that also don't work well. :rolleyes: Not much else. Oh, sure devs wouldn't have StackOverflow. But that would probably be better. I liked books and esoteric knowledge. :rolleyes:
Well I don't mind going back to paper and CD roms, may be dust up my old "PC" and wait for the next DOOM Demo CD.And save my data on the Floppy Disks ! Those were the days when the computer was cool if you had MUTIMEDiA and Bill Gates wrote The Road ahead and skipped the Internet.
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Gates is as fearful as he is feared, and these days he worries most about the Internet, Usenet and the World Wide Web, which threaten his software monopoly by shifting the nexus of control from stand-alone computers to the network that connects them. The Internet, by design, has no central operating system that Microsoft or anybody else can patent and license. And its libertarian culture is devoted to open—that is to say, nonproprietary—standards, none of which were set by Microsoft. Gates moved quickly this year to embrace the Net, although it sometimes seemed he was trying to wrap Microsoft's long arms around it.
Caveat Emptor. "Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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What would you really lose? I mean is the web really that innovative? Most of the Web : Not Useful Most of the web is completely not useful to the point of only being a distraction. Not Just Talking About Twitter and Facebook Uselessness And I'm not talking about Twitter and Facebook. I would definitely miss CP. I learn a lot here. But real daily useful functionality...there ain't much of it on the web. Headline: Restau_rant_ Inspires Man to Rant This rant was inspired by a restaurant chain which allows you to put in your dinner reservation. Well, not really. Instead it is just a distraction. I went to the site and it said, Put in your name to make your reservation. If your party is larger than 7 then call. Ours was 8 so I called. Me: I'd like to put in a reservation for 6:30. Restaurant-Worker: We don't do that. You can do it online. Me: well, the web page says to call if party is larger than 7 and we have 8. Restaurant-Worker: Oh, well, just put in 7 and then change it when you get here. Note: she said 7 which is incorrect, since max is 6. Me: [A vessel pops in my forehead and I'm rendered speechless.] I go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web. The Web (Waste-land) Not Internet And, keep in mind, I'm saying the web, not The Internet. The Internet allows me to watch television on-demand so that is good. Seriously For One Moment What would you really lose? The ability to pay your bills, maybe. On sites that also don't work well. :rolleyes: Not much else. Oh, sure devs wouldn't have StackOverflow. But that would probably be better. I liked books and esoteric knowledge. :rolleyes:
If this happened people would have to relearn social skills! Not sure young people could handle that?
Everyone has a photographic memory; some just don't have film. Steven Wright
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I agree with some of what you've outlined, but for me the instant access to electronic parts, datasheets, datasheet erratas, PCB prototyping, MCU forums, IDE forums... is a good thing, one that I would not willingly give up at this point. Oh, and CP is pretty cool as well! do I earn extra brown-nose points for that last bit?
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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I work from home and VPN into our office network, and keep in touch with coworkers primarily with Skype and email. The office is an hour's drive away. Without the internet, I either wouldn't have this job, or I'd be wasting 10 hours a week on the road. Go offline all you want. I'm staying right here. As for the internet being a distraction--that's the case only if you let it. Start by getting rid of the obvious ones, like Twitter and Facebook. And have some discipline. It's really not that hard.
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raddevus wrote:
I'm just being reactive
Object-oriented reactive.
The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
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raddevus wrote:
go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web.
Seen this before, the intention is rather than have you walk in and ask for a table and then hang around the reception area while they chase someone else out then clean up etc they want you to wait somewhere else. Avoids crowds loitering around waiting for their table(s) blocking traffic flow and arguments when larger groups wait longer than later arriving couples. Can even be a fire safety / insurance reasons where waiting groups may push them over their allowed max body count. As to the limit of 7 (or 6), it's a safety to stop wankers or evil competitors booking for say 30 and not showing up. For genuine large bookings I believe the [intended] process is/was first create the on-line booking so it's 'in their system,' and then call to increase the number (so now they have your caller-id - sort of like a 2FA for large group bookings / repeat bogus booking wankers). Sounds like since creating this the staff has changed a few times and the newer ones don't know this. (i.e. It does sound like the person you spoke to on the phone was not well trained anyway.)
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Well I don't mind going back to paper and CD roms, may be dust up my old "PC" and wait for the next DOOM Demo CD.And save my data on the Floppy Disks ! Those were the days when the computer was cool if you had MUTIMEDiA and Bill Gates wrote The Road ahead and skipped the Internet.
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Gates is as fearful as he is feared, and these days he worries most about the Internet, Usenet and the World Wide Web, which threaten his software monopoly by shifting the nexus of control from stand-alone computers to the network that connects them. The Internet, by design, has no central operating system that Microsoft or anybody else can patent and license. And its libertarian culture is devoted to open—that is to say, nonproprietary—standards, none of which were set by Microsoft. Gates moved quickly this year to embrace the Net, although it sometimes seemed he was trying to wrap Microsoft's long arms around it.
Caveat Emptor. "Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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If this happened people would have to relearn social skills! Not sure young people could handle that?
Everyone has a photographic memory; some just don't have film. Steven Wright
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Mike Hankey wrote:
If this happened people would have to relearn social skills! Not sure young people could handle that?
:laugh: Too busy staring at their phones. :rolleyes:
Even when I meet them when I'm out walking and say hello the most I get is a grunt, rarely a hey or hello.
Everyone has a photographic memory; some just don't have film. Steven Wright
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dandy72 wrote:
Without the internet, I either wouldn't have this job,
Use the Internet all you want. It is helpful. It's the web that is so bad. :rolleyes: I'm being facetious but it is the poorly done web functionality that is so bad.
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What would you really lose? I mean is the web really that innovative? Most of the Web : Not Useful Most of the web is completely not useful to the point of only being a distraction. Not Just Talking About Twitter and Facebook Uselessness And I'm not talking about Twitter and Facebook. I would definitely miss CP. I learn a lot here. But real daily useful functionality...there ain't much of it on the web. Headline: Restau_rant_ Inspires Man to Rant This rant was inspired by a restaurant chain which allows you to put in your dinner reservation. Well, not really. Instead it is just a distraction. I went to the site and it said, Put in your name to make your reservation. If your party is larger than 7 then call. Ours was 8 so I called. Me: I'd like to put in a reservation for 6:30. Restaurant-Worker: We don't do that. You can do it online. Me: well, the web page says to call if party is larger than 7 and we have 8. Restaurant-Worker: Oh, well, just put in 7 and then change it when you get here. Note: she said 7 which is incorrect, since max is 6. Me: [A vessel pops in my forehead and I'm rendered speechless.] I go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web. The Web (Waste-land) Not Internet And, keep in mind, I'm saying the web, not The Internet. The Internet allows me to watch television on-demand so that is good. Seriously For One Moment What would you really lose? The ability to pay your bills, maybe. On sites that also don't work well. :rolleyes: Not much else. Oh, sure devs wouldn't have StackOverflow. But that would probably be better. I liked books and esoteric knowledge. :rolleyes:
I'd be fine :-) Go back to once a week BBS based systems over a telnet link, it would be awesome, just like the old days :-) I'd still have Skype desktop to talk to my clients, and while I might not be writing "Web Based Software" I'd still be writing some kind of software, because I think business will still want software, even if it's not on the web.
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Even when I meet them when I'm out walking and say hello the most I get is a grunt, rarely a hey or hello.
Everyone has a photographic memory; some just don't have film. Steven Wright
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I'd be fine :-) Go back to once a week BBS based systems over a telnet link, it would be awesome, just like the old days :-) I'd still have Skype desktop to talk to my clients, and while I might not be writing "Web Based Software" I'd still be writing some kind of software, because I think business will still want software, even if it's not on the web.
Peter Shaw wrote:
while I might not be writing "Web Based Software" I'd still be writing some kind of software, because I think business will still want software, even if it's not on the web.
Exactly. We had software before the web. The web is just an added layer. And the important part of the layer is the communication layer -- the Internet. :) It's just too bad that the potential of the Internet is wasted by bad web implementation.
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What would you really lose? I mean is the web really that innovative? Most of the Web : Not Useful Most of the web is completely not useful to the point of only being a distraction. Not Just Talking About Twitter and Facebook Uselessness And I'm not talking about Twitter and Facebook. I would definitely miss CP. I learn a lot here. But real daily useful functionality...there ain't much of it on the web. Headline: Restau_rant_ Inspires Man to Rant This rant was inspired by a restaurant chain which allows you to put in your dinner reservation. Well, not really. Instead it is just a distraction. I went to the site and it said, Put in your name to make your reservation. If your party is larger than 7 then call. Ours was 8 so I called. Me: I'd like to put in a reservation for 6:30. Restaurant-Worker: We don't do that. You can do it online. Me: well, the web page says to call if party is larger than 7 and we have 8. Restaurant-Worker: Oh, well, just put in 7 and then change it when you get here. Note: she said 7 which is incorrect, since max is 6. Me: [A vessel pops in my forehead and I'm rendered speechless.] I go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web. The Web (Waste-land) Not Internet And, keep in mind, I'm saying the web, not The Internet. The Internet allows me to watch television on-demand so that is good. Seriously For One Moment What would you really lose? The ability to pay your bills, maybe. On sites that also don't work well. :rolleyes: Not much else. Oh, sure devs wouldn't have StackOverflow. But that would probably be better. I liked books and esoteric knowledge. :rolleyes:
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To be fair to the restaurants, soooo many people make reservations and never keep them. What you're seeing is the result of our own carelessness. :-D
milo-xml wrote:
o be fair to the restaurants, soooo many people make reservations and never keep them.
I agree with you. Maybe the restaurants could add a credit hold functionality which charges your card $5 and then if you show up the $5 is applied to your meal and if not the restaurant keeps the $5.
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What would you really lose? I mean is the web really that innovative? Most of the Web : Not Useful Most of the web is completely not useful to the point of only being a distraction. Not Just Talking About Twitter and Facebook Uselessness And I'm not talking about Twitter and Facebook. I would definitely miss CP. I learn a lot here. But real daily useful functionality...there ain't much of it on the web. Headline: Restau_rant_ Inspires Man to Rant This rant was inspired by a restaurant chain which allows you to put in your dinner reservation. Well, not really. Instead it is just a distraction. I went to the site and it said, Put in your name to make your reservation. If your party is larger than 7 then call. Ours was 8 so I called. Me: I'd like to put in a reservation for 6:30. Restaurant-Worker: We don't do that. You can do it online. Me: well, the web page says to call if party is larger than 7 and we have 8. Restaurant-Worker: Oh, well, just put in 7 and then change it when you get here. Note: she said 7 which is incorrect, since max is 6. Me: [A vessel pops in my forehead and I'm rendered speechless.] I go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web. The Web (Waste-land) Not Internet And, keep in mind, I'm saying the web, not The Internet. The Internet allows me to watch television on-demand so that is good. Seriously For One Moment What would you really lose? The ability to pay your bills, maybe. On sites that also don't work well. :rolleyes: Not much else. Oh, sure devs wouldn't have StackOverflow. But that would probably be better. I liked books and esoteric knowledge. :rolleyes:
If the Web or the Internet went away, the world would probably return to a sense of a little more sanity in it. For all of the good that the Internet has provided, it has opened a Pandora's Box of degeneracy that appears to have no end in sight...
Steve Naidamast Sr. Software Engineer Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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What would you really lose? I mean is the web really that innovative? Most of the Web : Not Useful Most of the web is completely not useful to the point of only being a distraction. Not Just Talking About Twitter and Facebook Uselessness And I'm not talking about Twitter and Facebook. I would definitely miss CP. I learn a lot here. But real daily useful functionality...there ain't much of it on the web. Headline: Restau_rant_ Inspires Man to Rant This rant was inspired by a restaurant chain which allows you to put in your dinner reservation. Well, not really. Instead it is just a distraction. I went to the site and it said, Put in your name to make your reservation. If your party is larger than 7 then call. Ours was 8 so I called. Me: I'd like to put in a reservation for 6:30. Restaurant-Worker: We don't do that. You can do it online. Me: well, the web page says to call if party is larger than 7 and we have 8. Restaurant-Worker: Oh, well, just put in 7 and then change it when you get here. Note: she said 7 which is incorrect, since max is 6. Me: [A vessel pops in my forehead and I'm rendered speechless.] I go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web. The Web (Waste-land) Not Internet And, keep in mind, I'm saying the web, not The Internet. The Internet allows me to watch television on-demand so that is good. Seriously For One Moment What would you really lose? The ability to pay your bills, maybe. On sites that also don't work well. :rolleyes: Not much else. Oh, sure devs wouldn't have StackOverflow. But that would probably be better. I liked books and esoteric knowledge. :rolleyes:
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I'll name a restaurant chain that does something similar - Chili's. I put in a reservation for four at 6 PM about an hour before leaving home. Got there at 5:55 PM and was told to put my name on the waiting list. I haven't been back.
obermd wrote:
I put in a reservation for four at 6 PM about an hour before leaving home. Got there at 5:55 PM and was told to put my name on the waiting list.
It's so annoying. The restaurant that I was dealing with was Olive Garden. I wonder if it's owned by the same corporate entity or if they all just do this?
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What would you really lose? I mean is the web really that innovative? Most of the Web : Not Useful Most of the web is completely not useful to the point of only being a distraction. Not Just Talking About Twitter and Facebook Uselessness And I'm not talking about Twitter and Facebook. I would definitely miss CP. I learn a lot here. But real daily useful functionality...there ain't much of it on the web. Headline: Restau_rant_ Inspires Man to Rant This rant was inspired by a restaurant chain which allows you to put in your dinner reservation. Well, not really. Instead it is just a distraction. I went to the site and it said, Put in your name to make your reservation. If your party is larger than 7 then call. Ours was 8 so I called. Me: I'd like to put in a reservation for 6:30. Restaurant-Worker: We don't do that. You can do it online. Me: well, the web page says to call if party is larger than 7 and we have 8. Restaurant-Worker: Oh, well, just put in 7 and then change it when you get here. Note: she said 7 which is incorrect, since max is 6. Me: [A vessel pops in my forehead and I'm rendered speechless.] I go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web. The Web (Waste-land) Not Internet And, keep in mind, I'm saying the web, not The Internet. The Internet allows me to watch television on-demand so that is good. Seriously For One Moment What would you really lose? The ability to pay your bills, maybe. On sites that also don't work well. :rolleyes: Not much else. Oh, sure devs wouldn't have StackOverflow. But that would probably be better. I liked books and esoteric knowledge. :rolleyes:
relevant knowledge. Along with what some have said about asking questions. The connection of sites and continued connecting of sites helps provide a great scale of knowledge FINDING. Could 99.99% of questions and answered be found in the Text books printed years ago? YES How quickly could you find that answer in the book? Might depend how well the books index is and ordered. How quickly could you find your question? Longer if at all. As with programming there can often be more then one way to solve the same thing. But being able to ask similar questions multiple times helps lead to an answer more suitable to your situation. Compared to a book written by a limited group. Share ability of add ability of that knowledge, with validation flows far faster and wider then other means. Your internet seems to be a 1 way pipe of information. Who curates and feeds you that information vs anyone being able to post their knowledge and you choosing to view that or not.
