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  • C Chris Maunder

    I made several thousand code changes over a couple of hundred files and I wholeheartedly believed all my unit tests would just work. I hate it when my serene view of reality doesn't align with what the rest of the world considers reasonable.

    cheers Chris Maunder

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    Marc Clifton
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    Chris Maunder wrote:

    when my serene view of reality doesn't align with what the rest of the world considers reasonable.

    That's my normal state. However, I've come to realize that what the rest of the world considers reasonable is actually quite unreasonable.

    Chris Maunder wrote:

    all my unit tests would just work

    But that's what unit tests are for -to destroy your serene view of reality. You should be celebrating!

    Latest Article - A Concise Overview of Threads Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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    • C Chris Maunder

      I made several thousand code changes over a couple of hundred files and I wholeheartedly believed all my unit tests would just work. I hate it when my serene view of reality doesn't align with what the rest of the world considers reasonable.

      cheers Chris Maunder

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      MarkTJohnson
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      Unit test? Isn't that what production is for?

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      • C Chris Maunder

        I made several thousand code changes over a couple of hundred files and I wholeheartedly believed all my unit tests would just work. I hate it when my serene view of reality doesn't align with what the rest of the world considers reasonable.

        cheers Chris Maunder

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        Maximilien
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        obligatory Star Trek reference: [...maybe there's something wrong with the universe - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek23bXq23pY)

        I'd rather be phishing!

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          obligatory Star Trek reference: [...maybe there's something wrong with the universe - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek23bXq23pY)

          I'd rather be phishing!

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          Daniel Pfeffer
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          Quote:

          The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves, that we are underlings.

          Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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          • C Chris Maunder

            I made several thousand code changes over a couple of hundred files and I wholeheartedly believed all my unit tests would just work. I hate it when my serene view of reality doesn't align with what the rest of the world considers reasonable.

            cheers Chris Maunder

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            John R Shaw
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            The difference between arrogant and confident is success. So, I guess over confidence could be labeled as arrogance. ;) I once inherited a C code base and discovered, to my surprise, that most of the functions declared an 'int' return type, but there were no return statements for success. :wtf: A successful result would have been whatever happen to be in the AX register after the call was complete. The compiler was not happy and generated lots of warnings. :( I went through an uncounted number of functions and added the return statements. The compiler was very happy, no errors or warnings. :) But, the code would no longer work. :doh: I decided that I had more import things to do than fix code that worked, so I dropped the whole idea and lived with the warnings. :-O Besides, 80 percent of the time they were not checking the return type any way. :sigh:

            INTP "Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence." - Edsger Dijkstra "I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several weeks. " - Daniel Boone

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            • J John R Shaw

              The difference between arrogant and confident is success. So, I guess over confidence could be labeled as arrogance. ;) I once inherited a C code base and discovered, to my surprise, that most of the functions declared an 'int' return type, but there were no return statements for success. :wtf: A successful result would have been whatever happen to be in the AX register after the call was complete. The compiler was not happy and generated lots of warnings. :( I went through an uncounted number of functions and added the return statements. The compiler was very happy, no errors or warnings. :) But, the code would no longer work. :doh: I decided that I had more import things to do than fix code that worked, so I dropped the whole idea and lived with the warnings. :-O Besides, 80 percent of the time they were not checking the return type any way. :sigh:

              INTP "Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence." - Edsger Dijkstra "I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several weeks. " - Daniel Boone

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              CPallini
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              Quote:

              I once inherited a C code base and discovered, to my surprise, that most of the functions declared an 'int' return type, but there were no return statements for success.

              Please don't tell me that. It's an abomination. I cannot believe a C programmer could have done such a thing. :omg:

              In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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              • C Chris Maunder

                I made several thousand code changes over a couple of hundred files and I wholeheartedly believed all my unit tests would just work. I hate it when my serene view of reality doesn't align with what the rest of the world considers reasonable.

                cheers Chris Maunder

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                Sander Rossel
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                Chris Maunder wrote:

                what the rest of the world considers reasonable

                The rest of the world isn't always right. A lot of great inventors were called arrogant, delusional, and even mad, yet they invented airplanes, discovered America, discovered that the earth was round and that the sun was the center of the galaxy... You, however, might just need another coffee to clear your head ;p

                Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                • C Chris Maunder

                  I made several thousand code changes over a couple of hundred files and I wholeheartedly believed all my unit tests would just work. I hate it when my serene view of reality doesn't align with what the rest of the world considers reasonable.

                  cheers Chris Maunder

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                  kmoorevs
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                  Maybe just feeling lucky! :laugh: It's a nice challenge isn't it? It's either a fist pump or a quick swearing fit followed by bug hunting, usually followed by more swearing fits and disbelief that I could have made such stupid mistakes/overlooked the obvious. I'll settle for lots of little victories! :laugh:

                  "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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                  • C Chris Maunder

                    I made several thousand code changes over a couple of hundred files and I wholeheartedly believed all my unit tests would just work. I hate it when my serene view of reality doesn't align with what the rest of the world considers reasonable.

                    cheers Chris Maunder

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                    GuyThiebaut
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                    Unit tests - pffff ;P The only unit tests I have are the end users droids units who test my code.

                    “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                    ― Christopher Hitchens

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                    • C Chris Maunder

                      I made several thousand code changes over a couple of hundred files and I wholeheartedly believed all my unit tests would just work. I hate it when my serene view of reality doesn't align with what the rest of the world considers reasonable.

                      cheers Chris Maunder

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                      Johnny J
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                      The solution to all of your problems![^] :doh:

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                      • C Chris Maunder

                        I made several thousand code changes over a couple of hundred files and I wholeheartedly believed all my unit tests would just work. I hate it when my serene view of reality doesn't align with what the rest of the world considers reasonable.

                        cheers Chris Maunder

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                        Kirill Illenseer
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                        Hey, I weekly change stuff according to my client's wishes, every time believing that when I fulfil said wishes, I can finally draw a line under the particular work package, only to find my client to have more wishes.

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                        • W W Balboos GHB

                          Chris Maunder wrote:

                          I wholeheartedly believed all my unit tests would just work.

                          You forgot to take into consideration that they were French unit tests - and as usual, they were on strike.

                          Ravings en masse^

                          "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                          "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                          Rage
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                          We French unit tests merely rose a (white) flag here.

                          Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                          • C Chris Maunder

                            I made several thousand code changes over a couple of hundred files and I wholeheartedly believed all my unit tests would just work. I hate it when my serene view of reality doesn't align with what the rest of the world considers reasonable.

                            cheers Chris Maunder

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                            agolddog
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                            On the plus side, that's what unit tests are for, right?

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                            • C Chris Maunder

                              I made several thousand code changes over a couple of hundred files and I wholeheartedly believed all my unit tests would just work. I hate it when my serene view of reality doesn't align with what the rest of the world considers reasonable.

                              cheers Chris Maunder

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                              Kirk 10389821
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                              I would suggest: Misplaced Optimism... Has this EVER Worked this way? Consistently? While the wife is trying to make sure you get home in time for those Dinner Plans? (LOL, that ALWAYS breaks a build!)

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                              • C Chris Maunder

                                I made several thousand code changes over a couple of hundred files and I wholeheartedly believed all my unit tests would just work. I hate it when my serene view of reality doesn't align with what the rest of the world considers reasonable.

                                cheers Chris Maunder

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                                Bruce Patin
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                                "tests"?

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                                • C Chris Maunder

                                  I made several thousand code changes over a couple of hundred files and I wholeheartedly believed all my unit tests would just work. I hate it when my serene view of reality doesn't align with what the rest of the world considers reasonable.

                                  cheers Chris Maunder

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                                  Daniel R Przybylski
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                                  Delusional would be making all of those changes and then when someone asked you how the unit tests went, you say, "What's a unittest?" or "Unittesting is a waste of time."

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                                  • CPalliniC CPallini

                                    Apparently your files have too many lines of code.

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                                    Chris Maunder
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                                    There's nothing "apparent" about it. You know how these things go: you start off well, and then generations of changes with lots of "I'll clean that up later" mean things get a little messy. sigh.

                                    cheers Chris Maunder

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                                    • M Marc Clifton

                                      Chris Maunder wrote:

                                      when my serene view of reality doesn't align with what the rest of the world considers reasonable.

                                      That's my normal state. However, I've come to realize that what the rest of the world considers reasonable is actually quite unreasonable.

                                      Chris Maunder wrote:

                                      all my unit tests would just work

                                      But that's what unit tests are for -to destroy your serene view of reality. You should be celebrating!

                                      Latest Article - A Concise Overview of Threads Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                                      Chris Maunder
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                                      I discovered if I comment the tests out my blood pressure reduces back to normal quite nicely.

                                      cheers Chris Maunder

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                                      • C Chris Maunder

                                        There's nothing "apparent" about it. You know how these things go: you start off well, and then generations of changes with lots of "I'll clean that up later" mean things get a little messy. sigh.

                                        cheers Chris Maunder

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                                        CPallini
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                                        Yes, I do know. Now, it's time to clean up, apparently. :-D

                                        In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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