Office 2019 or 365?
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Got this dilemma at the moment, was intended on buying outright, but the cost of buying is six years 365, and in six years time and I still going to be using it? Probably not so I'm edging toward 365. Worse case it'll all come out in the wash.
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What can I say? It's not the best looking, it's not the smoothest - but it works. The best WP was AmiPro / Lotus WordPro, but that died when the MS marketing machine rolled over the top of it and Word became the standard. Well, "this weeks standard" anyway - they changed file format so often that you had to upgrade to share documents with customers. Word is a pretty bad WP - clumsy, bloated, and awkward - and I hate using it. LibreOffice Word may not be as polished, but it's easier to use for the most part. Excel however ... the world's greatest spreadsheet. Calc works, but it's nowhere near The Master! :laugh:
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Agree re Word - it is almost nothing like a word-processor, and after all these years and revisions can still get into such a knot with complex formats that your document becomes unmanageable. I still buy and use Wordperfect - been my favourite since the days of DOS version 4.2. They still struggle to achieve compatability with Word documents though, because of MS secret sauce that sometimes even the Word devs don't seem to know about! (I've got a doc prepared with an older version of Word here that the latest version cannot open because it uses some feature that Word doesn't support any more - WP opens it though!) I note Corel trying to move to a subscription model too now, be a great shame if that happens...
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Office 2003. (You asked.)
Me too! Dislike the Ribbon-UI introduced in Office 2007. Don't care much for any of the new features (except spark-lines in Excel, *sigh*). 2003 can read / write later versions' XML-based fileTypes docx / xlsx / etc. albeit only after installing the Compatibility-pack-update. But the main benefit, the icing on the cake: Starting ye olde Excel 2003 takes as little time as starting the calculator or notepad :-) While even on a very powerful, up-to-date PC with NVMe-SSD, many cores and all bells and whistles starting one of the later MS Office programs takes forever, thanks to all the bloat (and animated splash-screens and stuff). Current LibreOffice isn't much better either in that respect.
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Valhalla isn't secure.
Sure it is; it's Valhalla, for Viking's sake! :laugh:
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Joan, have you looked at what is included in the Office 365 subscription? If you need a single license for Office and none of the extended features, Office 2019 is probably a better choice. You pay more up front ($250 USD) but can be used for years. Unless Microsoft comes up with some type of immensely useful new feature, there's probably no real need to upgrade again until 2019 goes out of support in 7 years. However, the 365 Home version includes licenses for 5 people on PC/Mac, phone, and tablet. Plus it includes 1 TB of OneDrive space/person + Skype. If you need multiple licenses, it's the clear winner. If you buy any extended online storage (DropBox premium, etc) then 365 is also the winner, as the prices for storage are roughly the same cost as 365 ... and it includes MS Office.
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Word 97 - still works for me - I have a lot of old documents written using Word 6.0 (DOS) or Word for Windows, works, no problem, no ribbon, all the hot keys stay where I put them.
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None. When I bought laptop a little over year ago, the store gave me an option. I either get free headphone or Office Home edition. I took Office. :cool: I would probably opt for one time payment though if I have to. Plus, I would try and buy an older version if I can as I do not really have that intensive Office usage.
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I prefer Office 20?? for personal use but have Office 365 because the monthly pricing, a family licensing option and integration with my server, laptop and phone makes life easier. Biggest factor is the price. Can you image the cost for yourself, wife and kids if you were using Office 2019 on all the devices at home not to mention software updates.
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Notepad++ saved to text file; always readable. You asked. :)
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
I use Notepad++, but paid for and use UltraEdit for any file work. Some features just work better.
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I use the Chinese WPS Office Suite... It is far superior to Libre Office and it mimics Microsoft Office beautifully. And it is far more affordable... :)
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What can I say? It's not the best looking, it's not the smoothest - but it works. The best WP was AmiPro / Lotus WordPro, but that died when the MS marketing machine rolled over the top of it and Word became the standard. Well, "this weeks standard" anyway - they changed file format so often that you had to upgrade to share documents with customers. Word is a pretty bad WP - clumsy, bloated, and awkward - and I hate using it. LibreOffice Word may not be as polished, but it's easier to use for the most part. Excel however ... the world's greatest spreadsheet. Calc works, but it's nowhere near The Master! :laugh:
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OriginalGriff wrote:
What can I say? It's not the best looking, it's not the smoothest - but it works.
Does it? One of my neighbors had me over last year because there's a few things he wanted my help with his computer for a few things. Among one of them, one of his MS-hating buddies (you know the type) got him to use LibreOffice, and he had a simple document with a table with two columns, and he wanted to sort of by one the columns. Should be straightforward enough, found some forums where someone had asked the exact same thing, tried to do the same...and it promptly crashed. Restarted it, reloaded his document, retried...same thing. Found that his copy wasn't at the latest version, so I upgraded it, retried...same crash again. I ended up copying his table to the clipboard, went to word.office.com, pasted everything in, found the equivalent command to sort by a column, which worked, copied his table back to the clipboard, replaced the one in his original document. Bottom line...I had to use a new-ish web version of Word to do something the long-established LibreOffice crashed trying to do. My neighbor then understood why I don't necessarily always recommend "free alternatives".
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OriginalGriff wrote:
What can I say? It's not the best looking, it's not the smoothest - but it works.
Does it? One of my neighbors had me over last year because there's a few things he wanted my help with his computer for a few things. Among one of them, one of his MS-hating buddies (you know the type) got him to use LibreOffice, and he had a simple document with a table with two columns, and he wanted to sort of by one the columns. Should be straightforward enough, found some forums where someone had asked the exact same thing, tried to do the same...and it promptly crashed. Restarted it, reloaded his document, retried...same thing. Found that his copy wasn't at the latest version, so I upgraded it, retried...same crash again. I ended up copying his table to the clipboard, went to word.office.com, pasted everything in, found the equivalent command to sort by a column, which worked, copied his table back to the clipboard, replaced the one in his original document. Bottom line...I had to use a new-ish web version of Word to do something the long-established LibreOffice crashed trying to do. My neighbor then understood why I don't necessarily always recommend "free alternatives".
Strange. It's not something I do normally - I sort data before it gets to the presentation layer normally - but I just tried it and it worked. Opened a new Writer document. Added a 2 column by 6 row table. Filled it:
A 6
B 5
C 4
D 3
E 2
F 1Highlight the whole table (i.e. all rows and columns) then select "Sort..." from teh Table menu. Up pops a dialog. Deselect column 1 as key, add column 2 as key, Press OK:
F 1
E 2
D 3
C 4
B 5
A 6Works for me, with V6.0.6.2 (x64) Mind you, the upgrades annoy me: they lose the toolbar files list, including all pinned items. And since I pin my most frquest DOCX and XLSX files to it that's a PITA. Reported, but ...
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I use Notepad++, but paid for and use UltraEdit for any file work. Some features just work better.
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LibreOffice - I hate Word, and am not a fan of the subscription model either. If write a document, I want to be able to read in in five years time ... without buying the software again.
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If your Office/365 subscription expires, the apps go into read-only mode. Microsoft took into account people being concerned about potentially not having access to their data.
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Strange. It's not something I do normally - I sort data before it gets to the presentation layer normally - but I just tried it and it worked. Opened a new Writer document. Added a 2 column by 6 row table. Filled it:
A 6
B 5
C 4
D 3
E 2
F 1Highlight the whole table (i.e. all rows and columns) then select "Sort..." from teh Table menu. Up pops a dialog. Deselect column 1 as key, add column 2 as key, Press OK:
F 1
E 2
D 3
C 4
B 5
A 6Works for me, with V6.0.6.2 (x64) Mind you, the upgrades annoy me: they lose the toolbar files list, including all pinned items. And since I pin my most frquest DOCX and XLSX files to it that's a PITA. Reported, but ...
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
I don't remember the exact procedure I used, and do keep in mind I mentioned this was last year...they could very well have fixed that problem already.
OriginalGriff wrote:
I sort data before it gets to the presentation layer normally
These are somewhat unsophisticated folks, and this is just stuff they had typed in and (I think) they just kept adding to the table willy-nilly over time, until they realized it would have made sense to keep things sorted. Anyway, my point was, despite existing for years, I was surprised LibreOffice could still experience an outright hard crash (as in, exit the program altogether, with no proper exception handler to at least try to handle it somewhat gracefully). I would like to recommend alternatives to the pay-for Office for friends/relatives, but that one just left a bad taste in my mouth.
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I use 365 Home at home. Five users for $100/year means $20/user/year. How many years at $20/year would it take to pay off a 2019 license? Keep in mind, I've always been anti-subscription because of not wanting my software to expire. I just couldn't make that argument with the 365 Home pricing. The price was too reasonable. The Adobe stuff, on the other hand, is a totally unreasonable subscription. I actually go looking for an Office/365 "gift card" around Christmastime every year when they go on sale for $80. That brings it down to $16/user/year. I haven't analyzed the business/enterprise/education offerings. All I know when it comes to those is that Microsoft is having a whole lot of success with them. So presumably other business people have done their math and decided its the way to go. Apart from the reliable revenue stream, there is another reason for Microsoft to prefer users be on 365. Fewer customer support headaches involving users who have old, but still supported, versions of Office. Every software developers will readily acknowledge they hate getting bogged down supporting old versions of software.
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Office 2019. I prefer one payment only and to deal with my own machine. I've been happily using Softmaker Free Office for a long time already, but I need to work with some macros and Power BI next year.
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Jim_Snyder wrote:
use UltraEdit
I looked at UltraEdit, and wow does it have a ton of features. Almost looks like its feature overkill.
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
Some of the files I work with are streams, and I can use a macro in UltraEdit to separate a .csv into X12 fields or database entries. The column mode is nice as I usually end up reformatting SQL from entry level developers in order to be able to read their code.
