Office 2019 or 365?
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I prefer Office 20?? for personal use but have Office 365 because the monthly pricing, a family licensing option and integration with my server, laptop and phone makes life easier. Biggest factor is the price. Can you image the cost for yourself, wife and kids if you were using Office 2019 on all the devices at home not to mention software updates.
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Notepad++ saved to text file; always readable. You asked. :)
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
I use Notepad++, but paid for and use UltraEdit for any file work. Some features just work better.
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I use the Chinese WPS Office Suite... It is far superior to Libre Office and it mimics Microsoft Office beautifully. And it is far more affordable... :)
Steve Naidamast Sr. Software Engineer Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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What can I say? It's not the best looking, it's not the smoothest - but it works. The best WP was AmiPro / Lotus WordPro, but that died when the MS marketing machine rolled over the top of it and Word became the standard. Well, "this weeks standard" anyway - they changed file format so often that you had to upgrade to share documents with customers. Word is a pretty bad WP - clumsy, bloated, and awkward - and I hate using it. LibreOffice Word may not be as polished, but it's easier to use for the most part. Excel however ... the world's greatest spreadsheet. Calc works, but it's nowhere near The Master! :laugh:
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OriginalGriff wrote:
What can I say? It's not the best looking, it's not the smoothest - but it works.
Does it? One of my neighbors had me over last year because there's a few things he wanted my help with his computer for a few things. Among one of them, one of his MS-hating buddies (you know the type) got him to use LibreOffice, and he had a simple document with a table with two columns, and he wanted to sort of by one the columns. Should be straightforward enough, found some forums where someone had asked the exact same thing, tried to do the same...and it promptly crashed. Restarted it, reloaded his document, retried...same thing. Found that his copy wasn't at the latest version, so I upgraded it, retried...same crash again. I ended up copying his table to the clipboard, went to word.office.com, pasted everything in, found the equivalent command to sort by a column, which worked, copied his table back to the clipboard, replaced the one in his original document. Bottom line...I had to use a new-ish web version of Word to do something the long-established LibreOffice crashed trying to do. My neighbor then understood why I don't necessarily always recommend "free alternatives".
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OriginalGriff wrote:
What can I say? It's not the best looking, it's not the smoothest - but it works.
Does it? One of my neighbors had me over last year because there's a few things he wanted my help with his computer for a few things. Among one of them, one of his MS-hating buddies (you know the type) got him to use LibreOffice, and he had a simple document with a table with two columns, and he wanted to sort of by one the columns. Should be straightforward enough, found some forums where someone had asked the exact same thing, tried to do the same...and it promptly crashed. Restarted it, reloaded his document, retried...same thing. Found that his copy wasn't at the latest version, so I upgraded it, retried...same crash again. I ended up copying his table to the clipboard, went to word.office.com, pasted everything in, found the equivalent command to sort by a column, which worked, copied his table back to the clipboard, replaced the one in his original document. Bottom line...I had to use a new-ish web version of Word to do something the long-established LibreOffice crashed trying to do. My neighbor then understood why I don't necessarily always recommend "free alternatives".
Strange. It's not something I do normally - I sort data before it gets to the presentation layer normally - but I just tried it and it worked. Opened a new Writer document. Added a 2 column by 6 row table. Filled it:
A 6
B 5
C 4
D 3
E 2
F 1Highlight the whole table (i.e. all rows and columns) then select "Sort..." from teh Table menu. Up pops a dialog. Deselect column 1 as key, add column 2 as key, Press OK:
F 1
E 2
D 3
C 4
B 5
A 6Works for me, with V6.0.6.2 (x64) Mind you, the upgrades annoy me: they lose the toolbar files list, including all pinned items. And since I pin my most frquest DOCX and XLSX files to it that's a PITA. Reported, but ...
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I use Notepad++, but paid for and use UltraEdit for any file work. Some features just work better.
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LibreOffice - I hate Word, and am not a fan of the subscription model either. If write a document, I want to be able to read in in five years time ... without buying the software again.
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If your Office/365 subscription expires, the apps go into read-only mode. Microsoft took into account people being concerned about potentially not having access to their data.
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Strange. It's not something I do normally - I sort data before it gets to the presentation layer normally - but I just tried it and it worked. Opened a new Writer document. Added a 2 column by 6 row table. Filled it:
A 6
B 5
C 4
D 3
E 2
F 1Highlight the whole table (i.e. all rows and columns) then select "Sort..." from teh Table menu. Up pops a dialog. Deselect column 1 as key, add column 2 as key, Press OK:
F 1
E 2
D 3
C 4
B 5
A 6Works for me, with V6.0.6.2 (x64) Mind you, the upgrades annoy me: they lose the toolbar files list, including all pinned items. And since I pin my most frquest DOCX and XLSX files to it that's a PITA. Reported, but ...
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
I don't remember the exact procedure I used, and do keep in mind I mentioned this was last year...they could very well have fixed that problem already.
OriginalGriff wrote:
I sort data before it gets to the presentation layer normally
These are somewhat unsophisticated folks, and this is just stuff they had typed in and (I think) they just kept adding to the table willy-nilly over time, until they realized it would have made sense to keep things sorted. Anyway, my point was, despite existing for years, I was surprised LibreOffice could still experience an outright hard crash (as in, exit the program altogether, with no proper exception handler to at least try to handle it somewhat gracefully). I would like to recommend alternatives to the pay-for Office for friends/relatives, but that one just left a bad taste in my mouth.
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I use 365 Home at home. Five users for $100/year means $20/user/year. How many years at $20/year would it take to pay off a 2019 license? Keep in mind, I've always been anti-subscription because of not wanting my software to expire. I just couldn't make that argument with the 365 Home pricing. The price was too reasonable. The Adobe stuff, on the other hand, is a totally unreasonable subscription. I actually go looking for an Office/365 "gift card" around Christmastime every year when they go on sale for $80. That brings it down to $16/user/year. I haven't analyzed the business/enterprise/education offerings. All I know when it comes to those is that Microsoft is having a whole lot of success with them. So presumably other business people have done their math and decided its the way to go. Apart from the reliable revenue stream, there is another reason for Microsoft to prefer users be on 365. Fewer customer support headaches involving users who have old, but still supported, versions of Office. Every software developers will readily acknowledge they hate getting bogged down supporting old versions of software.
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Office 2019. I prefer one payment only and to deal with my own machine. I've been happily using Softmaker Free Office for a long time already, but I need to work with some macros and Power BI next year.
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Jim_Snyder wrote:
use UltraEdit
I looked at UltraEdit, and wow does it have a ton of features. Almost looks like its feature overkill.
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
Some of the files I work with are streams, and I can use a macro in UltraEdit to separate a .csv into X12 fields or database entries. The column mode is nice as I usually end up reformatting SQL from entry level developers in order to be able to read their code.
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Some of the files I work with are streams, and I can use a macro in UltraEdit to separate a .csv into X12 fields or database entries. The column mode is nice as I usually end up reformatting SQL from entry level developers in order to be able to read their code.
Jim_Snyder wrote:
The column mode is nice as I usually end up reformatting SQL from entry level developers in order to be able to read their code.
Oh, now that's a nice feature! You should see the crap I get sent to me. Sigh..
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
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I just cancelled my 365 subscription, I REALLY do not like buying the software every year. I have so little use for anything but email that Google tools meet my needs.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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The Office 365 subscription is so cheap and comes with so many nice features that I honestly don't even know how this is a debate anymore TBH.
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My business has Office 365. We have 7 people, and having OneDrive and SharePoint Online free us from having to store anything work-related on the laptops. I use my Surface when going with customers, so it's a bliss just click and show the presentation from SharePoint Online. We even share sites with customers, who not necessarily have O365, and they can download the project files, and upload their own. Skype for business gets the job done on the videoconference front, all our OneNotes are stored and shared through SharePoint, and we even use Planner for some projects that need more of a loose control (otherwise, we use Project). Half of our operation is in O365, the other half is in Visual Studio Online. So, having Office to update every year or so is really an added bonus for us, not the main reason we pay for O365.
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But don't you have to pay for Google tools too? My real need is for an Outlook replacement for the Mac, email and calendar working off of Microsoft Exchange Online. Using Office 2011 today but it has quirks in the current macOS High Sierra and Mojave.
riclf wrote:
But don't you have to pay for Google tools too
Only with the ownership of my data, I only use mail, sheets and doc as my requirements are very minimal and AFAIK there is no monetary cost to using them.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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LibreOffice - I hate Word, and am not a fan of the subscription model either. If write a document, I want to be able to read in in five years time ... without buying the software again.
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Keep in mind that anyone w/ a OneDrive account can use Office online and it will update old files: Microsoft Word Online - Work together on Word documents[^] I would dump my Office 365 account and use that, but then I wouldn't have all that OneDrive storage.
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Well, if you do the math, it's about the same whether you buy a new version of Office every few years or just spread that over month to month for the time that you use Office 365. I don't know about the shrinkwrap version, but I know that w/ 365 you can install on a lot of machines including MacOS for five users anywhere and you also get to use the Store versions on large screen devices and you get a lot of OneDrive storage. I still would dump my subscription and just use the online version of office, but my dad enjoys using it, my wife insists on using Outlook instead of Outlook.com or Windows mail, and I need all that OneDrive space. It's like cutting the cord: I pay nearly as much for Internet and streaming subscriptions than I did for cable.
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Office 365. The subscription is very reasonably priced and I can install it on a total of 15 devices (5 computers, 5 phones, 5 tablets) and have access to my documents everywhere. Plus, Outlook comes along in the bundle, so no more backing up PST files and moving them from computer to computer when traveling (I HATE web-based email!). The apps are up to date and I do get all that OneDrive storage PLUS more email storage than I can ever imagine using. It's made my life simpler.
