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I didnt mean to offend you, I just found it interesting that the Nazi party had almost no support until the DNVP party closed, and all it's, hard line Prussians, started voting for it. And that this in fact determined Hitlers policy, and gave rise to the SS. (Hitler had the Brown Shirts dont forget, but because they were a threat to the Prussian military HItler had to have them killed off). Dont you think that this exonerates most of Germany? Lifts the mantle of guilt and shame from you and places it on the Prussians, who had after all FORCED Germany into an unwilling 'alliance' (actually a Prussian Empire)?
And how come you think Prussians are not germans? The only thing we could say is that Hitler was austrian instead of german. Things reach far more back than only to the prussian empire you know.
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And how come you think Prussians are not germans? The only thing we could say is that Hitler was austrian instead of german. Things reach far more back than only to the prussian empire you know.
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}HobbyProggy wrote:
And how come you think Prussians are not germans
You could say that Ceasar only called those west of the Elbe 'Germani'. However the quite obvious cultural differences between West Germany and Prussia tell you there is a difference. Not only that, the Prussians themselves saw the rest of Germany as cannon fodder for its war on Slavs, and an industrial base to provide it with weaponry and buy overpriced grain from Junkers run farms in Prussia thus supporting an ancient and outdated feudal system.
HobbyProggy wrote:
Things reach far more back than only to the prussian empire you know.
So you admit it was a Prussian Empire. :)
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HobbyProggy wrote:
And how come you think Prussians are not germans
You could say that Ceasar only called those west of the Elbe 'Germani'. However the quite obvious cultural differences between West Germany and Prussia tell you there is a difference. Not only that, the Prussians themselves saw the rest of Germany as cannon fodder for its war on Slavs, and an industrial base to provide it with weaponry and buy overpriced grain from Junkers run farms in Prussia thus supporting an ancient and outdated feudal system.
HobbyProggy wrote:
Things reach far more back than only to the prussian empire you know.
So you admit it was a Prussian Empire. :)
I admit that a prussian empire existed, so did the HRE, so were the "Germani" also known as Barbarians. And so on.
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I admit that a prussian empire existed, so did the HRE, so were the "Germani" also known as Barbarians. And so on.
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}Doesnt being able to blame the Prussians lift the guilt from the shoulders of west Germans?
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If there were less people like you we could start showing our flag again. But thanks to the people like you we keep our mouth shut.:thumbsdown:
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}HobbyProggy wrote:
If there were less people like you we could start showing our flag again
If there were any justice in this world, Germany after WWII would have been razed and plowed under with salt. While Hitler came to power with the support of a minority, the vast majority were either silent partners or enthusiastic participants in the murder of Jews, Slavs, and anyone else the monster-in-chief called Untermenschen. The number of objectors was miniscule. As someone said when asked why West Germany was not more active in persecution of known Nazi criminals: "Six million dead Jews don't vote. Five million ex-SS members can, and do, every election."
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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Doesnt being able to blame the Prussians lift the guilt from the shoulders of west Germans?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Doesnt being able to blame the Prussians lift the guilt from the shoulders of west Germans?
No... the only ones able to lift the guilt from the shoulders of west Germans are the west Germans themselves. Past is past. One must not forget it, must learn from it, try not to repeat it, but leave it where it belongs... the past.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Doesnt being able to blame the Prussians lift the guilt from the shoulders of west Germans?
No... the only ones able to lift the guilt from the shoulders of west Germans are the west Germans themselves. Past is past. One must not forget it, must learn from it, try not to repeat it, but leave it where it belongs... the past.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
must learn from it
Precisely, by understanding it, including its origin.
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HobbyProggy wrote:
If there were less people like you we could start showing our flag again
If there were any justice in this world, Germany after WWII would have been razed and plowed under with salt. While Hitler came to power with the support of a minority, the vast majority were either silent partners or enthusiastic participants in the murder of Jews, Slavs, and anyone else the monster-in-chief called Untermenschen. The number of objectors was miniscule. As someone said when asked why West Germany was not more active in persecution of known Nazi criminals: "Six million dead Jews don't vote. Five million ex-SS members can, and do, every election."
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Then we better start razing the whole world, africa, the US, asia and so on. I don't get it why people can not get over history. There were things made no one today (at least of those who have sense) would support anymore.
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Doesnt being able to blame the Prussians lift the guilt from the shoulders of west Germans?
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What the fuck has the US got to do with the fact that Hitler was used as a front by ultra right conservative Prussians to act on their hatred of Poles and Russians?
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And with the reunification of Germany, the 'land across the Elbe', traditional Prussian, protestant, Nazi voting territory, is now united with western Germany. And now voting AFD in large numbers.... And the capital was moved from Bonn to Berlin. Old Prussian capital. And also as before the money is flowing west to east too.
You're trying to imply that this particular part of Germany is continuesly conquering - it is not.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
to act on their hatred of Poles and Russians?
No idea what the link to the US might be :D
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Anti semitism was even Prussian.
Existed long before that, and is not really a Prussian idea.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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If I were from west Germany I would leap at the chance! :)
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If I were from west Germany I would leap at the chance! :)
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HobbyProggy wrote:
If there were less people like you we could start showing our flag again
If there were any justice in this world, Germany after WWII would have been razed and plowed under with salt. While Hitler came to power with the support of a minority, the vast majority were either silent partners or enthusiastic participants in the murder of Jews, Slavs, and anyone else the monster-in-chief called Untermenschen. The number of objectors was miniscule. As someone said when asked why West Germany was not more active in persecution of known Nazi criminals: "Six million dead Jews don't vote. Five million ex-SS members can, and do, every election."
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
If there was any justice Prussia would have been ring fenced and kicked back into the 12th century in 1918 where it belongs. That would have been an end of it, and most Germans would have been glad to see it go by all accounts.
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Saw a very interesting WWI film called They Shall Not Grow Old. Guy Ritchie I think it was, had spent months colouring old film and and going back through past interviews with British Army survivors. Some interesting things came out. They said the Germans troops often missed on purpose when shooting at them. And Saxon and Bavarian troops shouted out across no mans land to be careful next week as they were being replaced by Prussians. This of course was only 50 years or so after Prussia went to war with Saxony and Bavaria. There seemed to be a lot of ill feeling in Germany for the Prussians still. The second was the hatred for the Prussians in Germany for continuing a war the people wanted done with much earlier.
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Then we better start razing the whole world, africa, the US, asia and so on. I don't get it why people can not get over history. There were things made no one today (at least of those who have sense) would support anymore.
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}Of course Britain should have helped Hanover when it asked for it when attacked by Prussia in 1860. If the Prussian conquest of Germany had been averted then the Franco Prussian war, the Prussian Austrian war, and two world wars would not have happened. And neither would the Holocaust.
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Of course Britain should have helped Hanover when it asked for it when attacked by Prussia in 1860. If the Prussian conquest of Germany had been averted then the Franco Prussian war, the Prussian Austrian war, and two world wars would not have happened. And neither would the Holocaust.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
the Holocaust
It would have happend elsewhere, under other circumstances and with a different title. This was not the first genocide, nor the last that happened on earth. Somehow it was just the one with most publicity.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
the Holocaust
It would have happend elsewhere, under other circumstances and with a different title. This was not the first genocide, nor the last that happened on earth. Somehow it was just the one with most publicity.
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Somehow it was just the one with most publicity
Because the numbers involved were staggering. And of course the legacy of this is the 'moral justification' that has been given to the left ever since. And which we are suffering today.
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HobbyProggy wrote:
Somehow it was just the one with most publicity
Because the numbers involved were staggering. And of course the legacy of this is the 'moral justification' that has been given to the left ever since. And which we are suffering today.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Because the numbers involved were staggering.
Indeed! Counting becomes meaningless when such horrors occur, however other monsters in the 20th century include: Pol Pot who killed in the region of 2.5 million out of a population of 8 million. Stalin who killed in the region of 20 million out of a population of 100 million. Mao who killed in the region of 50 million out of a population of 660 million. It is truly horrendous what Pol Pol, Stalin and Mao did too. In the infamous words of Diane Abbott, the person who would probably become Home Secretary if the UK Labour party won an election, "I suppose some people would judge that, on balance, Mao did more good than harm"[^]
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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HobbyProggy wrote:
If there were less people like you we could start showing our flag again
If there were any justice in this world, Germany after WWII would have been razed and plowed under with salt. While Hitler came to power with the support of a minority, the vast majority were either silent partners or enthusiastic participants in the murder of Jews, Slavs, and anyone else the monster-in-chief called Untermenschen. The number of objectors was miniscule. As someone said when asked why West Germany was not more active in persecution of known Nazi criminals: "Six million dead Jews don't vote. Five million ex-SS members can, and do, every election."
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Well said indeed. Germany was saved from the wroth of the Allies by the Soviet threat from the East. They escaped any true justice, with just a few remaining leaders being punished. Britain's position was noteworthy in as much as we went to war to liberate Poland, and then let the Soviets/Russians occupy it. It seems to me that Nazi tyranny was simply replaced with Communist tyranny for half of Europe. If you think I don't like Germany much, and Russia even less, then you may well be right. :~