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What happened to engineering?

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    Not software engineering, the real one. Software engineering used to compare with the latter like astrology compares with astrophysics. But now? In my bitter experience, many brand new products doesn't work properly from the very start. I'll name few examples: a GPS watch, a blood pressure monitor, a TV soundbar, even a vacuum cleaner. On the other side, my Windows 8 never crashes, seldom hangs. Are engineers, collectively, on sabbatic leave?

    In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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    • CPalliniC CPallini

      Not software engineering, the real one. Software engineering used to compare with the latter like astrology compares with astrophysics. But now? In my bitter experience, many brand new products doesn't work properly from the very start. I'll name few examples: a GPS watch, a blood pressure monitor, a TV soundbar, even a vacuum cleaner. On the other side, my Windows 8 never crashes, seldom hangs. Are engineers, collectively, on sabbatic leave?

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      I kinda know what you mean, but ... my suspicion is that it's the "software engineering" side of new devices that lets down the hardware engineer side. A sous vide I bought, with WiFi and BlueTooth. That works wonderfully, if you ignore the WiFi and bluetooth (and definitely the app that comes with it) I don't own a GPS watch, or even a smart watch: mine has hands, is made of titanium, and was a gift last century! Vacuum cleaners ... blame the EU, I do. I have a "old" 2200W mains machine which works, even on cat hair. Modern ones ... the EU cut the max power in two stages to 900W and they suck. In both senses. They are rechargeable mostly because the manufacturers needed to find something to sell them on, since "actually cleaning" was no longer an option.

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        Not software engineering, the real one. Software engineering used to compare with the latter like astrology compares with astrophysics. But now? In my bitter experience, many brand new products doesn't work properly from the very start. I'll name few examples: a GPS watch, a blood pressure monitor, a TV soundbar, even a vacuum cleaner. On the other side, my Windows 8 never crashes, seldom hangs. Are engineers, collectively, on sabbatic leave?

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        Hardware is always worsened by software. I always cringe when I see a device that claims to be "powered by Java". :sigh:

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          Hardware is always worsened by software. I always cringe when I see a device that claims to be "powered by Java". :sigh:

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          Quote:

          "powered by Java

          How many Ampere does Java deliver? :-D

          It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question

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            "powered by Java

            How many Ampere does Java deliver? :-D

            It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question

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            Practically nil. It's a consumer anyway.

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              Hardware is always worsened by software. I always cringe when I see a device that claims to be "powered by Java". :sigh:

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              PIEBALDconsult wrote:

              I always cringe when I see a device that claims to be "powered by Java". :sigh:

              Think of it as a warning label.

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                PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                I always cringe when I see a device that claims to be "powered by Java". :sigh:

                Think of it as a warning label.

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                You betcha.

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                • CPalliniC CPallini

                  Not software engineering, the real one. Software engineering used to compare with the latter like astrology compares with astrophysics. But now? In my bitter experience, many brand new products doesn't work properly from the very start. I'll name few examples: a GPS watch, a blood pressure monitor, a TV soundbar, even a vacuum cleaner. On the other side, my Windows 8 never crashes, seldom hangs. Are engineers, collectively, on sabbatic leave?

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                  Be patient - these are all AI aided devices... With time they will learn and improve...

                  "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

                  "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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                    Be patient - these are all AI aided devices... With time they will learn and improve...

                    "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

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                    Then retire to the Caribbean.

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                    • CPalliniC CPallini

                      Not software engineering, the real one. Software engineering used to compare with the latter like astrology compares with astrophysics. But now? In my bitter experience, many brand new products doesn't work properly from the very start. I'll name few examples: a GPS watch, a blood pressure monitor, a TV soundbar, even a vacuum cleaner. On the other side, my Windows 8 never crashes, seldom hangs. Are engineers, collectively, on sabbatic leave?

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                      Always check the quality stamp before buying. It starts with: "Made in..."

                      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                        Always check the quality stamp before buying. It starts with: "Made in..."

                        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                        don't be so harsh, you know there are some quality goods out of china, but out the back door of the same factory are all the below/failed spec "same same, we only change name" versions of the identical product. (they can do quality, just that their pass yields are still not good.)

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                          I kinda know what you mean, but ... my suspicion is that it's the "software engineering" side of new devices that lets down the hardware engineer side. A sous vide I bought, with WiFi and BlueTooth. That works wonderfully, if you ignore the WiFi and bluetooth (and definitely the app that comes with it) I don't own a GPS watch, or even a smart watch: mine has hands, is made of titanium, and was a gift last century! Vacuum cleaners ... blame the EU, I do. I have a "old" 2200W mains machine which works, even on cat hair. Modern ones ... the EU cut the max power in two stages to 900W and they suck. In both senses. They are rechargeable mostly because the manufacturers needed to find something to sell them on, since "actually cleaning" was no longer an option.

                          Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                          Jorgen Andersson
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                          It really isn't so much about the power as you might think. It's all about air flow. It's a bit like with amplifiers. Twice the power only gives 3db more sound And modern vacuums simply are to small to have a proper airflow. If you have the space you should buy one of these[^]. They never were more than 1000w but they will last you your lifetime.

                          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                            don't be so harsh, you know there are some quality goods out of china, but out the back door of the same factory are all the below/failed spec "same same, we only change name" versions of the identical product. (they can do quality, just that their pass yields are still not good.)

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                            Jorgen Andersson
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                            You're the one that filled in the dots. :) But generally it's a question about getting what you pay for.

                            Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                              You're the one that filled in the dots. :) But generally it's a question about getting what you pay for.

                              Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                              Not in my experience. The Garmin forerunner 310xt for instance, it is a very precise device. I've extensively tested it (my running companion since 2012). The Garmin fenix 5 (far more expensive than the forerunner) might be a cool smartwatch but is a completely failure for thge runner. The distance mesurment error of 5% I experienced (meaning about 2 km in marathon) is inacceptable.

                              In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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                                Quote:

                                "powered by Java

                                How many Ampere does Java deliver? :-D

                                It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question

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                                How many Ampere does Java deliver waste?

                                FFY. :-D

                                In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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                                  Not in my experience. The Garmin forerunner 310xt for instance, it is a very precise device. I've extensively tested it (my running companion since 2012). The Garmin fenix 5 (far more expensive than the forerunner) might be a cool smartwatch but is a completely failure for thge runner. The distance mesurment error of 5% I experienced (meaning about 2 km in marathon) is inacceptable.

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                                  Sounds like you're not having it in gps-mode. How long does the batteries last?

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                                    Sounds like you're not having it in gps-mode. How long does the batteries last?

                                    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                    Of course the GPS is ON (and 'ready') while I am running. The tracks are actually fairly accurate, but the distance measurment is poor. The batteries performace is within the specifications as far as I can say (I didn't focus my attention on such an aspect, yet).

                                    In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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                                      Not software engineering, the real one. Software engineering used to compare with the latter like astrology compares with astrophysics. But now? In my bitter experience, many brand new products doesn't work properly from the very start. I'll name few examples: a GPS watch, a blood pressure monitor, a TV soundbar, even a vacuum cleaner. On the other side, my Windows 8 never crashes, seldom hangs. Are engineers, collectively, on sabbatic leave?

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                                      Managers.

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                                        Of course the GPS is ON (and 'ready') while I am running. The tracks are actually fairly accurate, but the distance measurment is poor. The batteries performace is within the specifications as far as I can say (I didn't focus my attention on such an aspect, yet).

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                                        Had to ask. A guy at a previous job was running in battery save mode for half a year before realizing why the gps was all over the map. Is i always showing a too large distance by any chance?

                                        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                          Not software engineering, the real one. Software engineering used to compare with the latter like astrology compares with astrophysics. But now? In my bitter experience, many brand new products doesn't work properly from the very start. I'll name few examples: a GPS watch, a blood pressure monitor, a TV soundbar, even a vacuum cleaner. On the other side, my Windows 8 never crashes, seldom hangs. Are engineers, collectively, on sabbatic leave?

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                                          "Population aging is a shift in the distribution of a country's population towards older ages." (From wikipedia) It will only get worse.

                                          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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