Global warming, what it actually means
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So as we all know GH gases affect the cold times, and places on the planet. This has been stated by the IPCC and son on many times. Is there any proof of this? https://4k4oijnpiu3l4c3h-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/clip_image004-12.jpg[^] A degree C of winter warming, absoloutely no summer warming. It isn't Global Warming, it is Global Not So Cold. :) (And what the fuck are we worried about?)
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So as we all know GH gases affect the cold times, and places on the planet. This has been stated by the IPCC and son on many times. Is there any proof of this? https://4k4oijnpiu3l4c3h-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/clip_image004-12.jpg[^] A degree C of winter warming, absoloutely no summer warming. It isn't Global Warming, it is Global Not So Cold. :) (And what the fuck are we worried about?)
Instead of eighty year old data which was before developing countries began to use significant amounts of fossil fuel look at the past fifty years.
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Instead of eighty year old data which was before developing countries began to use significant amounts of fossil fuel look at the past fifty years.
Shows the same thing: Google Image Result for http://clivebest.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/CET-Seasons.png[^] So, your point was?
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So as we all know GH gases affect the cold times, and places on the planet. This has been stated by the IPCC and son on many times. Is there any proof of this? https://4k4oijnpiu3l4c3h-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/clip_image004-12.jpg[^] A degree C of winter warming, absoloutely no summer warming. It isn't Global Warming, it is Global Not So Cold. :) (And what the fuck are we worried about?)
Wasn't 2018 considered a very hot summer? How about record temperatures in Australia? It is their summer after all.
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Wasn't 2018 considered a very hot summer? How about record temperatures in Australia? It is their summer after all.
Dont forget a hot average is also caused by a higher Tmin. What this data shows is just that. The summer, Tmax temperature hasnt gone up at all. The winter, Tmin has. So yes, it has warmed, on average. But it isnt really warming, it is just less cold. And that is a big difference. Why? Plants and animals are not being exposed to new temperatures, temperatures they arent used to. They are being exposed to less extreme temperatures. Now tell me, how is that bad for life?
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So as we all know GH gases affect the cold times, and places on the planet. This has been stated by the IPCC and son on many times. Is there any proof of this? https://4k4oijnpiu3l4c3h-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/clip_image004-12.jpg[^] A degree C of winter warming, absoloutely no summer warming. It isn't Global Warming, it is Global Not So Cold. :) (And what the fuck are we worried about?)
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At a time when France is burning due to BS carbon taxes, do you think this topic really is dull?
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Dont forget a hot average is also caused by a higher Tmin. What this data shows is just that. The summer, Tmax temperature hasnt gone up at all. The winter, Tmin has. So yes, it has warmed, on average. But it isnt really warming, it is just less cold. And that is a big difference. Why? Plants and animals are not being exposed to new temperatures, temperatures they arent used to. They are being exposed to less extreme temperatures. Now tell me, how is that bad for life?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
it is just less cold.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
how is that bad for life?
Fruit trees need a certain amount of cold time to produce fruit well. Less cold time means more insects survive the winter. Bad insects.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
it is just less cold.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
how is that bad for life?
Fruit trees need a certain amount of cold time to produce fruit well. Less cold time means more insects survive the winter. Bad insects.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Bad insects
And good ones too. Such as bees, on which we depend for all our fruit.
ZurdoDev wrote:
Fruit trees need a certain amount of cold time to produce fruit well
Now that sounds like a massive load of bollocks to me. Lets check... :) Apple Tree Climate Conditions - Wikifarmer[^] "Old farmers claimed that the apple tree could only produce good yields when cultivated at a certain altitude (above 1600 ft. or 487m.) and only if the tree had experienced annually some hundreds of hours of cold (cold is defined as the temperature below 42 oF or 5,5 oC). This was partially true for the varieties that were popular at that time. However, nowadays, the resiliency and adaptability of apple tree in general combined with careful variety creation and selection have enabled growers to cultivate commercially apple trees even in Africa" BZZT! FAIL! :) And of course the apple is the one fruit that is grown in cold climates. If you consider citrus fruits and bananas and tomatoes, and custard fruit, and bread fruit, and cumquats, and lychees, and peaches, and melons, and on and on and on, and on, and on, your statement is clearly wrong. These all grow only in warm conditions.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Bad insects
And good ones too. Such as bees, on which we depend for all our fruit.
ZurdoDev wrote:
Fruit trees need a certain amount of cold time to produce fruit well
Now that sounds like a massive load of bollocks to me. Lets check... :) Apple Tree Climate Conditions - Wikifarmer[^] "Old farmers claimed that the apple tree could only produce good yields when cultivated at a certain altitude (above 1600 ft. or 487m.) and only if the tree had experienced annually some hundreds of hours of cold (cold is defined as the temperature below 42 oF or 5,5 oC). This was partially true for the varieties that were popular at that time. However, nowadays, the resiliency and adaptability of apple tree in general combined with careful variety creation and selection have enabled growers to cultivate commercially apple trees even in Africa" BZZT! FAIL! :) And of course the apple is the one fruit that is grown in cold climates. If you consider citrus fruits and bananas and tomatoes, and custard fruit, and bread fruit, and cumquats, and lychees, and peaches, and melons, and on and on and on, and on, and on, your statement is clearly wrong. These all grow only in warm conditions.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
And good ones too. Such as bees, on which we depend for all our fruit.
However, the good insects survive the cold better than the bad. So, we'll have a larger increase of bad insects surviving than an increase in good insects. The balance will be upset. Honeybees are very inefficient pollinators, it's the solitary bees that are efficient and help us the most.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Lets check.
So, it wasn't wrong, even according to your source. :doh:
Munchies_Matt wrote:
the apple is the one fruit that is grown in cold climates.
The only one? Surely you did not mean that.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
And good ones too. Such as bees, on which we depend for all our fruit.
However, the good insects survive the cold better than the bad. So, we'll have a larger increase of bad insects surviving than an increase in good insects. The balance will be upset. Honeybees are very inefficient pollinators, it's the solitary bees that are efficient and help us the most.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Lets check.
So, it wasn't wrong, even according to your source. :doh:
Munchies_Matt wrote:
the apple is the one fruit that is grown in cold climates.
The only one? Surely you did not mean that.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
good insects survive the cold better than the bad
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Yeah, of course they do, they are special arent they.
ZurdoDev wrote:
Honeybees are very inefficient pollinators. it's the solitary bees that are efficient and help us the most.
I didnt specify, I said 'bees', so nice straw man.
ZurdoDev wrote:
So, it wasn't wrong, even according to your source
What part of my evidence you are wrong are you failing to understand?
ZurdoDev wrote:
The only one? Surely you did not mean that.
It is the one fruit grown widely in cold climes. Very widely. Of course there are pears, probably the second most common fruit. Then the wild fruit, blackberries, etc. But you are ignoring the main point of what I said, intentionally of course. Many more species of fruit grow only in the tropics.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
good insects survive the cold better than the bad
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Yeah, of course they do, they are special arent they.
ZurdoDev wrote:
Honeybees are very inefficient pollinators. it's the solitary bees that are efficient and help us the most.
I didnt specify, I said 'bees', so nice straw man.
ZurdoDev wrote:
So, it wasn't wrong, even according to your source
What part of my evidence you are wrong are you failing to understand?
ZurdoDev wrote:
The only one? Surely you did not mean that.
It is the one fruit grown widely in cold climes. Very widely. Of course there are pears, probably the second most common fruit. Then the wild fruit, blackberries, etc. But you are ignoring the main point of what I said, intentionally of course. Many more species of fruit grow only in the tropics.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
so nice straw man.
Nope, just adding clarification to a point. Not everything has to be an argument, does it?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
What part of my evidence you are wrong are you failing to understand?
No part. You acted like it was an insane statement. Even your quote said it was once true but not as much today. And of course since you found it on the internet it must be true. And my experience of actually doing it must mean nothing.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
But you are ignoring the main point of what I said, intentionally of course.
Don't be such an idiot. You get defensive so fast.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Many more species of fruit grow only in the tropics.
Yes, many fruits grow in the tropics. That doesn't change my initial point that less cold will mean less fruits. :doh: Who's ignoring the main point?
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
so nice straw man.
Nope, just adding clarification to a point. Not everything has to be an argument, does it?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
What part of my evidence you are wrong are you failing to understand?
No part. You acted like it was an insane statement. Even your quote said it was once true but not as much today. And of course since you found it on the internet it must be true. And my experience of actually doing it must mean nothing.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
But you are ignoring the main point of what I said, intentionally of course.
Don't be such an idiot. You get defensive so fast.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Many more species of fruit grow only in the tropics.
Yes, many fruits grow in the tropics. That doesn't change my initial point that less cold will mean less fruits. :doh: Who's ignoring the main point?
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Not everything has to be an argument, does it?
Of course it does, it is the internet after all! :)
ZurdoDev wrote:
You acted like it was an insane statement
You forgot winter wheat by the way. But we only plant those varietes because it is cold, if it wasnt cold, we wouldnt.
ZurdoDev wrote:
Don't be such an idiot. You get defensive so fast.
Now who is making it an argument! :) You ignored my point about fruit being, in general, a tropical plant. Which it is of course, despite the few species that grow in colder climes. Which allied to my link about apples being grown in Africa, means that your statement 'less cold = less fruit' is clearly wrong. We dont need cold to produce fruit. What we need is warmth mostly, and even those that do like the cold we can replace with ones that dont care. Now if YOU have issues with some species of apple growing in your garden because winters arent as cold as they are, ask yourself where this species of apple came from, why was it engineered, and for what conditions. And yes, all food produce has been genetically engineered for centuries, if not millennia.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Not everything has to be an argument, does it?
Of course it does, it is the internet after all! :)
ZurdoDev wrote:
You acted like it was an insane statement
You forgot winter wheat by the way. But we only plant those varietes because it is cold, if it wasnt cold, we wouldnt.
ZurdoDev wrote:
Don't be such an idiot. You get defensive so fast.
Now who is making it an argument! :) You ignored my point about fruit being, in general, a tropical plant. Which it is of course, despite the few species that grow in colder climes. Which allied to my link about apples being grown in Africa, means that your statement 'less cold = less fruit' is clearly wrong. We dont need cold to produce fruit. What we need is warmth mostly, and even those that do like the cold we can replace with ones that dont care. Now if YOU have issues with some species of apple growing in your garden because winters arent as cold as they are, ask yourself where this species of apple came from, why was it engineered, and for what conditions. And yes, all food produce has been genetically engineered for centuries, if not millennia.
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It comes down to this. I have experience. You have the internet. Good day.
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OK, lets consider just the fruit you are growing. What fruit is it?
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OK, lets consider just the fruit you are growing. What fruit is it?
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
What fruit is it?
Lots of kinds, why?
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Which species though?
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Which species though?
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I have apples, pears, peaches, berries, almonds, apricots, grapes. I don't recall all of the species right now. Again, to what end?
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apples pears peaches berries almonds grapes OK so which of those need cold periods?
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apples pears peaches berries almonds grapes OK so which of those need cold periods?
