Global warming, what it actually means
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What concerns me about climate change, regardless of what you believe to be true or not or it being natural or man-made, is that the focus on carbon dioxide has caused a blind eye to what we do know to be major problems. Back in the 70's, there was a huge push toward littering and dumping of chemicals into our drinking water and oceans. Now, they have taken a back seat. Plastic islands are forming in the pacific, chemicals are still being dumped into the rivers and streams, factories still pump toxins into the atmosphere, and there is still the deforestation of the rain forests in the Amazon. I believe it would be much better if we spent our money and resources solving the problems we can immediately do something about, but I guess there isn't any money in that. :doh:
When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others. Same thing when you are stupid.
Yeah, I am 100% with you on this. This obsession with CO2 has actually damaged the environment by letting real pollutants go unchecked. Electronics recycling is a particular issue. Plastics. The filth we dump in the Baltic sea, then turn the resulting toxic eels into salmon food, and then eat.
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Yes, that is what I read your statement as saying. :) OK, we we have two examples of how cold is bad for life. Now, how many examples of how less cold is better for life. Take fruit damaged by frost. And that is a lot of fruit. Not to mention all kinds of vegetables. Then the shorter growing season caused by cold. Not to mention the greater number of human deaths that occur when it is cold. It is clear the benefits of less cold outweigh the losses.
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Yeah, I am 100% with you on this. This obsession with CO2 has actually damaged the environment by letting real pollutants go unchecked. Electronics recycling is a particular issue. Plastics. The filth we dump in the Baltic sea, then turn the resulting toxic eels into salmon food, and then eat.
Yup. What really shocks me is how we are poisoning ourselves everyday and not realizing it. Besides the pollutants, we eat, drink, bathe, and wear toxic chemicals. I watched a really good documentary on this called Stink. The number of carcinogens we take into our body from things we buy is absolutely horrifying. I'm really beginning to wonder if part of the climate change agenda is really to distract away from these other issues. "OMG! The polar ice caps are going to melt and kill everyone in 100 years!" all the while, we are committing ignorant suicide with the products we buy and the trash we dump.
When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others. Same thing when you are stupid.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
It is clear the benefits of less cold outweigh the losses.
I believe it is to you.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
It is, clearly, for the reasons I just gave. Dont you agree?
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
(And what the f*** are we worried about?)
Neil DeGrasse Tyson's Simple Explanation of Climate Change - YouTube[^]
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Nothing in that video mentions let alone refutes what I wrote. Try to come up with something relevant Eddy. Here is more evidence what I am saying is correct. BEST data, Tmax-Tmin is declining. Berkeley Daily Temperature Anomalies | Clive Best[^] Here is GHCN data: GHCN-Daily Temperature Anomaly Results | Clive Best[^] "It is interesting that minimum temperature anomalies have risen faster than maximum anomalies since 1950, yet the inverse was true in the 19th century. That implies that “Global Warming” has mostly occurred at night. " This is physics, this is fact, this is the known and stated effect of CO2. What they dont tell you is that it is perfectly safe, and more than that, beneficial.
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Yup. What really shocks me is how we are poisoning ourselves everyday and not realizing it. Besides the pollutants, we eat, drink, bathe, and wear toxic chemicals. I watched a really good documentary on this called Stink. The number of carcinogens we take into our body from things we buy is absolutely horrifying. I'm really beginning to wonder if part of the climate change agenda is really to distract away from these other issues. "OMG! The polar ice caps are going to melt and kill everyone in 100 years!" all the while, we are committing ignorant suicide with the products we buy and the trash we dump.
When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others. Same thing when you are stupid.
There is something very 'anti west' about global warming, but I wouldnt go so far as to say they are trying to cover up carcinogens! :)
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It is, clearly, for the reasons I just gave. Dont you agree?
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There is something very 'anti west' about global warming, but I wouldnt go so far as to say they are trying to cover up carcinogens! :)
True, I was more or less referring to pollutants. The "ignorant suicide" statement was an attempt at irony concerning the whole situation. We are so worried about carbon dioxide yet we drink water out of plastic bottles made from Polyvinyl Chloride.
When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others. Same thing when you are stupid.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Dont you agree?
No, have you been following our discussion? :-D
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
Yes but you said we got off to a misunderstanding, you didnt mean 'every fruit tree'. So yes, some species of some fruits need a bit of cold. Everything else doesnt. Many prefer a bit of warmth (thats why we have so many greenhouses in temperate zones). Not to mention people, who all prefer a bit of warmth. So I ask again, on average, isnt a bit of less cold better then more cold?
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True, I was more or less referring to pollutants. The "ignorant suicide" statement was an attempt at irony concerning the whole situation. We are so worried about carbon dioxide yet we drink water out of plastic bottles made from Polyvinyl Chloride.
When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others. Same thing when you are stupid.
Yeah, the effect of those plastics in our food is quite subtle. They are known to affect male fertility, but what else? Who knows.
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Yes but you said we got off to a misunderstanding, you didnt mean 'every fruit tree'. So yes, some species of some fruits need a bit of cold. Everything else doesnt. Many prefer a bit of warmth (thats why we have so many greenhouses in temperate zones). Not to mention people, who all prefer a bit of warmth. So I ask again, on average, isnt a bit of less cold better then more cold?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
isnt a bit of less cold better then more cold?
The problem is you can't define "a bit." And no, there is not enough understanding to know if it will be better or worse, all around.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
isnt a bit of less cold better then more cold?
The problem is you can't define "a bit." And no, there is not enough understanding to know if it will be better or worse, all around.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
A bit? Lets say 2 or 3 degrees less cold (and this is in winter dont forget), is this better or worse in your opinion, experience, for life as a whole?
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A bit? Lets say 2 or 3 degrees less cold (and this is in winter dont forget), is this better or worse in your opinion, experience, for life as a whole?
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So as we all know GH gases affect the cold times, and places on the planet. This has been stated by the IPCC and son on many times. Is there any proof of this? https://4k4oijnpiu3l4c3h-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/clip_image004-12.jpg[^] A degree C of winter warming, absoloutely no summer warming. It isn't Global Warming, it is Global Not So Cold. :) (And what the fuck are we worried about?)
Anecdotal evidence - it has been a bloody hot summer so far with record breaking temperatures in FNQ. And the dammed cyclones keep coming back for a second go.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
, is this better or worse in your opinion, experience, for life as a whole?
No idea. Don't care.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
Oh, after all this debating you dont care? :)
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Anecdotal evidence - it has been a bloody hot summer so far with record breaking temperatures in FNQ. And the dammed cyclones keep coming back for a second go.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
Anecdotal evidence
No it isnt anecdotal. It is a temperature record going back hundreds of years.
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
it has been a bloody hot summer
Now that IS anecdotal! :)
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If you cant answer then why bother replying?
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Nothing in that video mentions let alone refutes what I wrote. Try to come up with something relevant Eddy. Here is more evidence what I am saying is correct. BEST data, Tmax-Tmin is declining. Berkeley Daily Temperature Anomalies | Clive Best[^] Here is GHCN data: GHCN-Daily Temperature Anomaly Results | Clive Best[^] "It is interesting that minimum temperature anomalies have risen faster than maximum anomalies since 1950, yet the inverse was true in the 19th century. That implies that “Global Warming” has mostly occurred at night. " This is physics, this is fact, this is the known and stated effect of CO2. What they dont tell you is that it is perfectly safe, and more than that, beneficial.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Nothing in that video mentions let alone refutes what I wrote.
Correct; you did not write much. I can give you the data that shows how summer warming is a fact that can be seen in raw measurements here. I could explain how the average will not mean "more hotness during hot weather", but less peaks, with the average going up. Could, but am not going to.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
That implies that “Global Warming” has mostly occurred at night. "
No, that's not what it implies.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
This is physics, this is fact, this is the known and stated effect of CO2.
See Venus.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
What they dont tell you is that it is perfectly safe, and more than that, beneficial.
Nothing is perfectly safe and only beneficial.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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You havent explained anything and neither has that video. It is light weight, facile, and the kind of material aimed at children, simplistic and lacking in any insight into the mechanism of GH gasses, mechanisms such as I have detailed in this thread. Now, why dont you come back with something that refutes what I have stated, that GH gasses warm during cold periods and places. Or is your understanding that of a childs? :)
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Nothing in that video mentions let alone refutes what I wrote.
Correct; you did not write much. I can give you the data that shows how summer warming is a fact that can be seen in raw measurements here. I could explain how the average will not mean "more hotness during hot weather", but less peaks, with the average going up. Could, but am not going to.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
That implies that “Global Warming” has mostly occurred at night. "
No, that's not what it implies.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
This is physics, this is fact, this is the known and stated effect of CO2.
See Venus.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
What they dont tell you is that it is perfectly safe, and more than that, beneficial.
Nothing is perfectly safe and only beneficial.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Could, but am not going to.
Because you cant...
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
See Venus.
Venus doesnt have any daily (and that is about 90 earth days, it turns so slowly) temperature variation. What does that tell you? (hint, the surface isnt warmed by the sun!!!!!)
