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Perhaps you're confusing the terms nature and science. Nature, specifically how the natural universe works, never changes, but science, how we perceive and model it, changes constantly including how we use models that might be in disagreement to each other but work within their respective contexts. Even so, what makes something that doesn't change more important than something that does change? (Psst, you don't have to answer that; it was just rhetorical.)
I think you're correct in your assertion. Take Newtonian mechanics as an example: Newton formulated his laws on planetary motion but it took till Einstein to come along and refine them to give a more accurate picture. Even this might not be fully correct and someone in the future comes along and refines them even more. Therefore, the science changes. The fundamental laws do not. Whether we understand the fundamental laws FULLY is a different matter and what science is all about.
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Chang'e probe: First pictures from moon’s ‘dark side’[^] This should have been given more attention by news organisations -- science is far more important than politics, because it never changes, and it really does rule our lives.
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
science ... because it never changes
Your definition of science doesn't correspond to either my definition or the ones I found on google. Your statement is probably meant to express something closer to 'natural laws do not change over time'. Google term: define:science 1. "the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment." The above definition refers to a process carried out by people. As a process that doesn't define the nature of the universe but even that changes over time (for instance how statistics are applied and used have changed over time.) 2. "a particular area of this." Presumably this definition is not applicable to your usage at all since is used to name a discipline and not what the discipline achieves. 3. "a systematically organized body of knowledge on a particular subject." This is closest to your usage but it definitely can and has changed over time.
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Chang'e probe: First pictures from moon’s ‘dark side’[^] This should have been given more attention by news organisations -- science is far more important than politics, because it never changes, and it really does rule our lives.
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
our grasp of such is always changing
Your phrasing there confirms that the science doesn't change; only our grasp of it. Science is the mechanics behind the universe (including the functionality behind the tiny, inconsequential lumps of matter that move around and form opinions on how everything works). Our not knowing or comprehending all of science cannot change the way things work. It's like not knowing CSS doesn't make it not exist. Unfortunately.
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wrong. Science is the study of the mechanics behind the universe. The universe's workings don't change, but our science (i.e., our understanding of the universe) does. Go read the dictionary. Science derives from the latin root word "scien" which means "to know". A scientist is someone who "knows".
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wrong. Science is the study of the mechanics behind the universe. The universe's workings don't change, but our science (i.e., our understanding of the universe) does. Go read the dictionary. Science derives from the latin root word "scien" which means "to know". A scientist is someone who "knows".
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Science derives from the latin root word "scien" scientia which means "to know".
Indeed. Not "to theorise" or "to opine"; "to know". If it ain't a fact, or it ain't true, it ain't science.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
A scientist is someone who "knows".
Indeed. Not "someone who theorises", or "someone who has an opinion"; "someone who knows". If it ain't a fact, or it ain't true, it's only an opinion or a theory. Get an education. It beats the crap out of a search engine. And look up "good manners", whilst you're at it.
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Science derives from the latin root word "scien" scientia which means "to know".
Indeed. Not "to theorise" or "to opine"; "to know". If it ain't a fact, or it ain't true, it ain't science.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
A scientist is someone who "knows".
Indeed. Not "someone who theorises", or "someone who has an opinion"; "someone who knows". If it ain't a fact, or it ain't true, it's only an opinion or a theory. Get an education. It beats the crap out of a search engine. And look up "good manners", whilst you're at it.
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Sorry, misremembered from high school latin class. It's been a few years. So since you agree that science means "to know" or "knowledge" then science is what humans do, not what the universe is. What humans know about the universe constantly changes, hence science constantly changes. My disagreeing with your beliefs is not ill mannered.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Sorry, misremembered from high school latin class. It's been a few years. So since you agree that science means "to know" or "knowledge" then science is what humans do, not what the universe is. What humans know about the universe constantly changes, hence science constantly changes. My disagreeing with your beliefs is not ill mannered.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
My disagreeing with your beliefs is not ill mannered.
Sure, just the way it's phrased.
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
My disagreeing with your beliefs is not ill mannered.
Sure, just the way it's phrased.
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No offense meant. Sorry if it was ill phrased.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
do you think gravity was different before Newton wrote about it?
Gravitational constant. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :thumbsup:
Mark_Wallace wrote:
Science Does Not Change.
You used 2 examples where science has not changed, that we know of. Here's 2 where it has changed. Global warming and wine being good for you. And, here's a third, eggs being good for you. How the earth came about. Man evolving from apes. And http://eprints.brighton.ac.uk/17519/1/SSR%20September%202017%20121-129%20Sosabowski%20%26%20Gard.pdf[^]. So, not sure why you're up so high on your high horse. Maybe you meant something other than what you actually wrote?
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Science derives from the latin root word "scien" scientia which means "to know".
Indeed. Not "to theorise" or "to opine"; "to know". If it ain't a fact, or it ain't true, it ain't science.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
A scientist is someone who "knows".
Indeed. Not "someone who theorises", or "someone who has an opinion"; "someone who knows". If it ain't a fact, or it ain't true, it's only an opinion or a theory. Get an education. It beats the crap out of a search engine. And look up "good manners", whilst you're at it.
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No offense meant. Sorry if it was ill phrased.
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"It's not what we don't know that gets us into trouble. It's what we know that ain't so." It's a quote from somewhere (I don't remember where I read it.). I'm thinking of phlogiston, or the aether.
YaakovF wrote:
"It's not what we don't know that gets us into trouble. It's what we know that ain't so."
Well, just thank Heavens we know that google is our friend!
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I know you believe you understand what you think he wrote, but what you read is not what he meant. ;)