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  • M Mark_Wallace

    TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:

    our grasp of such is always changing

    Your phrasing there confirms that the science doesn't change; only our grasp of it. Science is the mechanics behind the universe (including the functionality behind the tiny, inconsequential lumps of matter that move around and form opinions on how everything works). Our not knowing or comprehending all of science cannot change the way things work. It's like not knowing CSS doesn't make it not exist. Unfortunately.

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    wrong. Science is the study of the mechanics behind the universe. The universe's workings don't change, but our science (i.e., our understanding of the universe) does. Go read the dictionary. Science derives from the latin root word "scien" which means "to know". A scientist is someone who "knows".

    #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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      wrong. Science is the study of the mechanics behind the universe. The universe's workings don't change, but our science (i.e., our understanding of the universe) does. Go read the dictionary. Science derives from the latin root word "scien" which means "to know". A scientist is someone who "knows".

      #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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      TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:

      Science derives from the latin root word "scien" scientia which means "to know".

      Indeed. Not "to theorise" or "to opine"; "to know". If it ain't a fact, or it ain't true, it ain't science.

      TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:

      A scientist is someone who "knows".

      Indeed. Not "someone who theorises", or "someone who has an opinion"; "someone who knows". If it ain't a fact, or it ain't true, it's only an opinion or a theory. Get an education. It beats the crap out of a search engine. And look up "good manners", whilst you're at it.

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      • M Mark_Wallace

        TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:

        Science derives from the latin root word "scien" scientia which means "to know".

        Indeed. Not "to theorise" or "to opine"; "to know". If it ain't a fact, or it ain't true, it ain't science.

        TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:

        A scientist is someone who "knows".

        Indeed. Not "someone who theorises", or "someone who has an opinion"; "someone who knows". If it ain't a fact, or it ain't true, it's only an opinion or a theory. Get an education. It beats the crap out of a search engine. And look up "good manners", whilst you're at it.

        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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        Sorry, misremembered from high school latin class. It's been a few years. So since you agree that science means "to know" or "knowledge" then science is what humans do, not what the universe is. What humans know about the universe constantly changes, hence science constantly changes. My disagreeing with your beliefs is not ill mannered.

        #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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        • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

          Sorry, misremembered from high school latin class. It's been a few years. So since you agree that science means "to know" or "knowledge" then science is what humans do, not what the universe is. What humans know about the universe constantly changes, hence science constantly changes. My disagreeing with your beliefs is not ill mannered.

          #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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          TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:

          My disagreeing with your beliefs is not ill mannered.

          Sure, just the way it's phrased.

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          • M Mark_Wallace

            TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:

            My disagreeing with your beliefs is not ill mannered.

            Sure, just the way it's phrased.

            I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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            No offense meant. Sorry if it was ill phrased.

            #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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            • Z ZurdoDev

              Mark_Wallace wrote:

              do you think gravity was different before Newton wrote about it?

              Gravitational constant. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :thumbsup:

              Mark_Wallace wrote:

              Science Does Not Change.

              You used 2 examples where science has not changed, that we know of. Here's 2 where it has changed. Global warming and wine being good for you. And, here's a third, eggs being good for you. How the earth came about. Man evolving from apes. And http://eprints.brighton.ac.uk/17519/1/SSR%20September%202017%20121-129%20Sosabowski%20%26%20Gard.pdf[^]. So, not sure why you're up so high on your high horse. Maybe you meant something other than what you actually wrote?

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              I know you believe you understand what you think he wrote, but what you read is not what he meant. ;)

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              • M Mark_Wallace

                TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:

                Science derives from the latin root word "scien" scientia which means "to know".

                Indeed. Not "to theorise" or "to opine"; "to know". If it ain't a fact, or it ain't true, it ain't science.

                TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:

                A scientist is someone who "knows".

                Indeed. Not "someone who theorises", or "someone who has an opinion"; "someone who knows". If it ain't a fact, or it ain't true, it's only an opinion or a theory. Get an education. It beats the crap out of a search engine. And look up "good manners", whilst you're at it.

                I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                YaakovF
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                "It's not what we don't know that gets us into trouble. It's what we know that ain't so." It's a quote from somewhere (I don't remember where I read it.). I'm thinking of phlogiston, or the aether.

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                • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                  No offense meant. Sorry if it was ill phrased.

                  #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                  Mark_Wallace
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                  :thumbsup:

                  I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                  • Y YaakovF

                    "It's not what we don't know that gets us into trouble. It's what we know that ain't so." It's a quote from somewhere (I don't remember where I read it.). I'm thinking of phlogiston, or the aether.

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                    Mark_Wallace
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                    YaakovF wrote:

                    "It's not what we don't know that gets us into trouble. It's what we know that ain't so."

                    Well, just thank Heavens we know that google is our friend!

                    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                    • Y YaakovF

                      I know you believe you understand what you think he wrote, but what you read is not what he meant. ;)

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                      ZurdoDev
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                      Yep, that is clear. :thumbsup:

                      Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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