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  • L Lost User

    ZurdoDev wrote:

    Don't be so emotional. :doh:

    I'm not :)

    ZurdoDev wrote:

    It does most of the time, no?

    Rarely. The best PR usually wins; that's how democracy and capitalism both work; on perception, not actual merits. People come here and ask which software is "best" for their problem; they want opinions, they don't like to make a list with advantages and disadvantages to judge it.

    Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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    Eddy Vluggen wrote:

    ZurdoDev wrote:

    Don't be so emotional. :doh:

    I'm not :)

    I *AM* - It was completely idiotic that VHS won over Betamax. I'm STILL upset by that!!! :mad:

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      Munchies_Matt wrote:

      For email and web home users, it is. For basic office users, it is.

      No way. When I installed Linux I had to find crazy command lines just to get network drivers to work. Then other command lines to enable basic OS features. You're telling me that regular home and office users want to deal with that? No way.

      Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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      Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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      You did something terribly wrong. My 12.5 years old girl works on a Fedora machine and she doesn't know how command like looks like...

      "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

      "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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        ZurdoDev wrote:

        Don't be so emotional. :doh:

        I'm not :)

        ZurdoDev wrote:

        It does most of the time, no?

        Rarely. The best PR usually wins; that's how democracy and capitalism both work; on perception, not actual merits. People come here and ask which software is "best" for their problem; they want opinions, they don't like to make a list with advantages and disadvantages to judge it.

        Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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        ZurdoDev
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        Eddy Vluggen wrote:

        Rarely

        OK. :rolleyes:

        Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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        • realJSOPR realJSOP

          I did it for different reasons. Money wasn't the root issue, but it is admittedly a secondary or tertiary factor. When Win7 goes tits-up next year, my only alternative is to go Win10 or Linux. I refuse to infect my machine with Win10, so Linux got the nod. It hasn't been all roses, but for thwe most part, I have no issues. I still run a Win7 VM for as long as Visual Studio will run on it. Downside - I can't run any SQL server newer than 2014 because 20116 and up will not run on Win7. However, there's a version of SQL server for Linux, so it's all good.

          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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          John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

          I refuse to infect my machine with Win10

          :laugh: For me, it has been their best OS yet. :^)

          Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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          • realJSOPR realJSOP

            I had to install some additional software on top of ubuntu but it wasn't an oppressive task. The reason the commandline is so pervasive on KLinux is the because of the number of possible GUIs taht are available. It's difficult to write a GUI tool that supports all the available desktop platforms, and commandline always works. Linux's flexibility is its biggest downfall.

            ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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            When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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            John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

            Linux's flexibility is its biggest downfall.

            True. But all someone had to do within the last 20 years was make a linux that worked out of the box and named their utilities with names that make sense and then promote it. It seems like they could have easily overtaken Microsoft.

            Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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              You did something terribly wrong. My 12.5 years old girl works on a Fedora machine and she doesn't know how command like looks like...

              "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

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              ZurdoDev
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              Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

              You did something terribly wrong

              Indeed. I tried linux. :-D

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              • Z ZurdoDev

                John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                Linux's flexibility is its biggest downfall.

                True. But all someone had to do within the last 20 years was make a linux that worked out of the box and named their utilities with names that make sense and then promote it. It seems like they could have easily overtaken Microsoft.

                Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                When you have this many people working on it independently, who do you think is in a position to enforce what you're suggesting? There isn't one company "in charge" of Linux. One could claim it could all go through Linus Torvalds, but he only does the kernel, and it sounds like it's already a full-time job.

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                  When you have this many people working on it independently, who do you think is in a position to enforce what you're suggesting? There isn't one company "in charge" of Linux. One could claim it could all go through Linus Torvalds, but he only does the kernel, and it sounds like it's already a full-time job.

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                  I know. Hence Microsoft is still beating them.

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                    I know. Hence Microsoft is still beating them.

                    Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                    dandy72
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                    Don't kid yourself, Microsoft is "still beating them" only because that's all the mainstream knows and will settle for. It's called the tyranny of the default. And I'm saying this as someone who's only had a passing interest in Linux over the last few years, and otherwise has been earning a living as a Windows developer for decades.

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                      Don't kid yourself, Microsoft is "still beating them" only because that's all the mainstream knows and will settle for. It's called the tyranny of the default. And I'm saying this as someone who's only had a passing interest in Linux over the last few years, and otherwise has been earning a living as a Windows developer for decades.

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                      dandy72 wrote:

                      that's all the mainstream knows

                      But that's my point. If Linux were better than Microsoft, it seems like it would be pretty easy to have let someone know by now.

                      Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                      • Z ZurdoDev

                        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                        Linux's flexibility is its biggest downfall.

                        True. But all someone had to do within the last 20 years was make a linux that worked out of the box and named their utilities with names that make sense and then promote it. It seems like they could have easily overtaken Microsoft.

                        Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                        realJSOP
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                        Yet another Linux distro? Wouldn't that just exacerbate the problem?

                        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                        When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                        • realJSOPR realJSOP

                          Yet another Linux distro? Wouldn't that just exacerbate the problem?

                          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                          When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                          ZurdoDev
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                          A Winux distro? :-D

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                            dandy72 wrote:

                            that's all the mainstream knows

                            But that's my point. If Linux were better than Microsoft, it seems like it would be pretty easy to have let someone know by now.

                            Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                            "Better" is a subjective term. 0) Windows costs more than Linux. 1) Both have the same hardware requirements given a similar list of desired functionality 2) One of the biggest "claims to fame" is that Linux will run on really old and minimal hardware. That's true, but see item 1. 3) If all you ant is commandline, Linux is a cheaper, lighter and faster alternative (compared to Windows Server 2016). In both instances, you can choose to go GUI. 4) Both Linux and Windows are going to deprecate 32-bit support in the near future, so taht kinda blows the "really old hardware" benefit out of the water. 5) Windows is "better" because you're used to it. 6) Linux is "better" because it's free as well as infinitely configurable, and most software a home user would need is also free. 7) I'm boycotting item 7, because it's part of "Win7". 8) Windows is "better" because most apps look the same in terms of control placement and menu content. Linux really sucks in this regard, howeer, most apps available on Linux that are also available on Windows look very similar (FireFox, and Thunderbird for instance). 9) As a windows developer, I understand the reasons for sticking with Windows, but I'm nearing retirement age, and don't see the value anymore. I'll run my Win7 instance in a VM, and only use it when I'm developing for Windows at home. The rest of the time, I'll be using my boot OS - Linux.

                            ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                            You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                            When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                              A Winux distro? :-D

                              Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                              realJSOP
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                              Well, Microslop has come out with WSL, which I hear is rather decent, if you like the commandline.

                              ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                A Winux distro? :-D

                                Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                                There's Zorin OS. It's a Linux distro with the Windows look and feel.

                                "When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others; same thing when you are stupid." Ignorant - An individual without knowledge, but is willing to learn. Stupid - An individual without knowledge and is incapable of learning. Idiot - An individual without knowledge and allows social media to do the thinking for them.

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                                • J Johnny J

                                  My Windows 10 installation has suddenly started showing commercial links on the lock screen/login page!!! :sigh: Does anybody know how to get rid of that cr*p? :mad:

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                                  It's not a cellphone, so it's reasonably likely that you don't need a lock screen to prevent things activating when you put it in your pocket. To get rid of it:

                                  • HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Personalization\
                                    (You might have to create the Personalization key)* Add a new DWORD(32-bit)
                                  • Name it NoLockScreen
                                  • Give it a value of 1

                                  Then it goes straight to the log-in screen

                                  I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                    My Windows 10 installation has suddenly started showing commercial links on the lock screen/login page!!! :sigh: Does anybody know how to get rid of that cr*p? :mad:

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                                    The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
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                                    Mark Twain

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                                    Not sure if this is still up-to-date: Disable Windows 10 Lock Screen Ads and Tips easily[^] Settings ⇒ Personalisation ⇒ Lock screen Turn off "Get fun facts, tips and more from Windows and Cortana on your lock screen"


                                    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                                    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                                      There's Zorin OS. It's a Linux distro with the Windows look and feel.

                                      "When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others; same thing when you are stupid." Ignorant - An individual without knowledge, but is willing to learn. Stupid - An individual without knowledge and is incapable of learning. Idiot - An individual without knowledge and allows social media to do the thinking for them.

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                                      ZurdoDev
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                                      Ya, tried that one. Lots of problems with it. Including often losing the desktop upon logging in. Just logged in to a blank screen. Command line was the only way to fix it.

                                      Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                                      • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                                        Not sure if this is still up-to-date: Disable Windows 10 Lock Screen Ads and Tips easily[^] Settings ⇒ Personalisation ⇒ Lock screen Turn off "Get fun facts, tips and more from Windows and Cortana on your lock screen"


                                        "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                                        Not 100% up to date, but it did give me some useful info. Unfortunately to get access to the slider that disables the ads, I apparently have to completely disable Windows Spotlight, which then means that I can't get the pretty pictures either. :sigh: Rock and a hard place... X|

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                                          Not sure if this is still up-to-date: Disable Windows 10 Lock Screen Ads and Tips easily[^] Settings ⇒ Personalisation ⇒ Lock screen Turn off "Get fun facts, tips and more from Windows and Cortana on your lock screen"


                                          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                                          But it appears like there is also one or more registry solutions: https://appuals.com/turn-off-ads-links-lock-screen-windows-10/[^] I'll try one of those...

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