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I AM NOT A MANAGER!

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  • Z ZurdoDev

    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

    it's that it's not development.

    I see. Are you one of those that only likes to code and not do anything else?

    Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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    enhzflep
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    #16

    Hmmmm. Perhaps you're one of the people that think John should continue to try to climb the ladder until he's an example of the Peter Principle? I'm with John - I do this job for the satisfaction, not the money. Promotion to manager? Blah - give it to someone that deserves to be punished. Money:Stress ratio is always better further away from the top-end.

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    • realJSOPR realJSOP

      I don't know how these people decided that a team lead should be responsible for submitting weekly and monthy status reports, but here I am. They recently added FIVE additional forms to the powerpoint slide deck, which I have to complete every week. The guidance I was given was to : "...include any significant events and state how they were of benefit to the Government, as well as KUDOS for performance." My response As developers, we're used to - and have come to expect - a complete lack of anything that could be identifiable as recognition or appreciation for the work we do, regardless of how much time/money it saves anybody. I suppose when you consistently deliver excellence, it becomes expected, anticipated, or mundane, and is subsequently subverted into feelings that could best be described as, "That's your job. What did you expect? A rrrrrrrrubber biscuit?". Furthermore, a "significant event" would be my continued ability to resist the urge to choke the living sh*t out of the customer for submitting stupid work items in TFS, or for demanding immediate turnaround of "emergency" work items that aren't included in the current sprint. ---------------- I'm not really sure how management will react...

      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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      When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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      Lost User
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      Team Lead, Manager,... whatever, means there's people that report to you right? so: delegate.

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      • realJSOPR realJSOP

        I don't know how these people decided that a team lead should be responsible for submitting weekly and monthy status reports, but here I am. They recently added FIVE additional forms to the powerpoint slide deck, which I have to complete every week. The guidance I was given was to : "...include any significant events and state how they were of benefit to the Government, as well as KUDOS for performance." My response As developers, we're used to - and have come to expect - a complete lack of anything that could be identifiable as recognition or appreciation for the work we do, regardless of how much time/money it saves anybody. I suppose when you consistently deliver excellence, it becomes expected, anticipated, or mundane, and is subsequently subverted into feelings that could best be described as, "That's your job. What did you expect? A rrrrrrrrubber biscuit?". Furthermore, a "significant event" would be my continued ability to resist the urge to choke the living sh*t out of the customer for submitting stupid work items in TFS, or for demanding immediate turnaround of "emergency" work items that aren't included in the current sprint. ---------------- I'm not really sure how management will react...

        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
        -----
        When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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        DJ van Wyk
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        #18

        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

        <sarcasm>As developers, we're used to

        You neglected to close your sarcasm tag. Maybe you should consider a job in management ;P I'll see myself out.

        My plan is to live forever ... so far so good

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          John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

          <sarcasm>As developers, we're used to

          You neglected to close your sarcasm tag. Maybe you should consider a job in management ;P I'll see myself out.

          My plan is to live forever ... so far so good

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          Member 10730093
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          is a tag that never ends

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          • realJSOPR realJSOP

            I've successfully avoided moving into management since 1979. It's important that you stick with what you're good at, and avoid things you're not good at.

            ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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            You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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            When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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            ZurdoDev
            wrote on last edited by
            #20

            John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

            It's important that you stick with what you're good at, and avoid things you're not good at.

            Now there's one way to grow as a person. ;)

            Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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            • enhzflepE enhzflep

              Hmmmm. Perhaps you're one of the people that think John should continue to try to climb the ladder until he's an example of the Peter Principle? I'm with John - I do this job for the satisfaction, not the money. Promotion to manager? Blah - give it to someone that deserves to be punished. Money:Stress ratio is always better further away from the top-end.

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              ZurdoDev
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              #21

              enhzflep wrote:

              Perhaps you're one of the people that think John should continue to try to climb the ladder until he's an example of the Peter Principle?

              Nope. It was just a simple question.

              Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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              • Z ZurdoDev

                John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                It's important that you stick with what you're good at, and avoid things you're not good at.

                Now there's one way to grow as a person. ;)

                Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                realJSOP
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                I fully recognize my inability (and lack of desire) to give a sh*t about someone's sensitivities. If they f*cked up, they should know, and if it falls to me to tell them, they'll probably end up hiding in a corner, sucking their thumb, and crying for their mommy. I have no interest in changing my approach. I am the LAST person that should be a manager. I also don't feel like this is a major character flaw.

                ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                -----
                You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                -----
                When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                • realJSOPR realJSOP

                  I don't know how these people decided that a team lead should be responsible for submitting weekly and monthy status reports, but here I am. They recently added FIVE additional forms to the powerpoint slide deck, which I have to complete every week. The guidance I was given was to : "...include any significant events and state how they were of benefit to the Government, as well as KUDOS for performance." My response As developers, we're used to - and have come to expect - a complete lack of anything that could be identifiable as recognition or appreciation for the work we do, regardless of how much time/money it saves anybody. I suppose when you consistently deliver excellence, it becomes expected, anticipated, or mundane, and is subsequently subverted into feelings that could best be described as, "That's your job. What did you expect? A rrrrrrrrubber biscuit?". Furthermore, a "significant event" would be my continued ability to resist the urge to choke the living sh*t out of the customer for submitting stupid work items in TFS, or for demanding immediate turnaround of "emergency" work items that aren't included in the current sprint. ---------------- I'm not really sure how management will react...

                  ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                  -----
                  You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                  -----
                  When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                  Harrison Pratt
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                  The absence of a closing sarcasm tag has been noted in your personnel file. :laugh:

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                  • realJSOPR realJSOP

                    I don't know how these people decided that a team lead should be responsible for submitting weekly and monthy status reports, but here I am. They recently added FIVE additional forms to the powerpoint slide deck, which I have to complete every week. The guidance I was given was to : "...include any significant events and state how they were of benefit to the Government, as well as KUDOS for performance." My response As developers, we're used to - and have come to expect - a complete lack of anything that could be identifiable as recognition or appreciation for the work we do, regardless of how much time/money it saves anybody. I suppose when you consistently deliver excellence, it becomes expected, anticipated, or mundane, and is subsequently subverted into feelings that could best be described as, "That's your job. What did you expect? A rrrrrrrrubber biscuit?". Furthermore, a "significant event" would be my continued ability to resist the urge to choke the living sh*t out of the customer for submitting stupid work items in TFS, or for demanding immediate turnaround of "emergency" work items that aren't included in the current sprint. ---------------- I'm not really sure how management will react...

                    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                    -----
                    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                    -----
                    When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                    darktrick544
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                    I copied that response for future use. Thanks for that.

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                    • realJSOPR realJSOP

                      I don't know how these people decided that a team lead should be responsible for submitting weekly and monthy status reports, but here I am. They recently added FIVE additional forms to the powerpoint slide deck, which I have to complete every week. The guidance I was given was to : "...include any significant events and state how they were of benefit to the Government, as well as KUDOS for performance." My response As developers, we're used to - and have come to expect - a complete lack of anything that could be identifiable as recognition or appreciation for the work we do, regardless of how much time/money it saves anybody. I suppose when you consistently deliver excellence, it becomes expected, anticipated, or mundane, and is subsequently subverted into feelings that could best be described as, "That's your job. What did you expect? A rrrrrrrrubber biscuit?". Furthermore, a "significant event" would be my continued ability to resist the urge to choke the living sh*t out of the customer for submitting stupid work items in TFS, or for demanding immediate turnaround of "emergency" work items that aren't included in the current sprint. ---------------- I'm not really sure how management will react...

                      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                      -----
                      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                      -----
                      When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                      M chael Luna
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                      Under New Mismanagement!!!!

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                      • realJSOPR realJSOP

                        I don't know how these people decided that a team lead should be responsible for submitting weekly and monthy status reports, but here I am. They recently added FIVE additional forms to the powerpoint slide deck, which I have to complete every week. The guidance I was given was to : "...include any significant events and state how they were of benefit to the Government, as well as KUDOS for performance." My response As developers, we're used to - and have come to expect - a complete lack of anything that could be identifiable as recognition or appreciation for the work we do, regardless of how much time/money it saves anybody. I suppose when you consistently deliver excellence, it becomes expected, anticipated, or mundane, and is subsequently subverted into feelings that could best be described as, "That's your job. What did you expect? A rrrrrrrrubber biscuit?". Furthermore, a "significant event" would be my continued ability to resist the urge to choke the living sh*t out of the customer for submitting stupid work items in TFS, or for demanding immediate turnaround of "emergency" work items that aren't included in the current sprint. ---------------- I'm not really sure how management will react...

                        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                        -----
                        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                        -----
                        When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                        Gary Wheeler
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                        Number Six: I am not a number! I am a free man! Number Two: [laughs] Number Six: I will not make any deals with you. I've resigned. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own!

                        Software Zen: delete this;

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                        • Z ZurdoDev

                          enhzflep wrote:

                          Perhaps you're one of the people that think John should continue to try to climb the ladder until he's an example of the Peter Principle?

                          Nope. It was just a simple question.

                          Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                          enhzflep
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                          Okay, elephant-it - I'll bite. For what purpose would you ask such a question, if not in a thinly veiled attempt to assert dominance or to imply inferiority? If it really was aimed at information gathering, you've got a ways to go with your soft-skills. (and I've got even further)

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                          • enhzflepE enhzflep

                            Okay, elephant-it - I'll bite. For what purpose would you ask such a question, if not in a thinly veiled attempt to assert dominance or to imply inferiority? If it really was aimed at information gathering, you've got a ways to go with your soft-skills. (and I've got even further)

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                            ZurdoDev
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                            enhzflep wrote:

                            you've got a ways to go with your soft-skills

                            "Are you one of those that only likes to code and not do anything else?" is not soft? I think you've been on the internet too long, always thinking every question is a fight. :-D

                            Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                            • Z ZurdoDev

                              enhzflep wrote:

                              you've got a ways to go with your soft-skills

                              "Are you one of those that only likes to code and not do anything else?" is not soft? I think you've been on the internet too long, always thinking every question is a fight. :-D

                              Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                              enhzflep
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                              Your question is strange. Talking to people about non-nuts-and-bolts things is what I'm considering a soft-skill. (Is this out of step with broader community definitions?) Being able to do it well is, obviously, desirable. Which brings me to the reason I mentioned the concept. If you were merely trying to find out information with your question, it sucks. It can be seen to make inferences about John's character that a more skilled person would not have done when trying to find out the same info. Certainly, while it is true that its been about 23 years now since I first hit AltaVista, I'm capable of seeing far more nuance that your comment appears to acknowledge. I asked you a direct question, yet you've dodged it and instead left another opinion. See how this is going yet? Your behaviour mimics *perfectly* that of someone called-out for and embarrassed by poor behaviour. When taken into consideration with your snarky "Now there's one way to grow as a person. ;)" comment, I'm having an impossible time believing you. :|

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                              • enhzflepE enhzflep

                                Your question is strange. Talking to people about non-nuts-and-bolts things is what I'm considering a soft-skill. (Is this out of step with broader community definitions?) Being able to do it well is, obviously, desirable. Which brings me to the reason I mentioned the concept. If you were merely trying to find out information with your question, it sucks. It can be seen to make inferences about John's character that a more skilled person would not have done when trying to find out the same info. Certainly, while it is true that its been about 23 years now since I first hit AltaVista, I'm capable of seeing far more nuance that your comment appears to acknowledge. I asked you a direct question, yet you've dodged it and instead left another opinion. See how this is going yet? Your behaviour mimics *perfectly* that of someone called-out for and embarrassed by poor behaviour. When taken into consideration with your snarky "Now there's one way to grow as a person. ;)" comment, I'm having an impossible time believing you. :|

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                                ZurdoDev
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                                enhzflep wrote:

                                yet you've dodged it

                                enhzflep wrote:

                                mimics perfectly that of someone called-out for and embarrassed by poor behaviour.

                                No offense, but now you're just being an idiot. :^)

                                Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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