Memory Utilization
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Free the mallocs!
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
Free the Guildford Four! The Birmingham Six! The Renault Five!
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What in gods green earth would require Slack to consume 1/2 Gig of RAM? It's a fucking messaging app!!! Or Postman, which is really nothing but an awful front-end UI for sending REST API calls and receiving responses? Between the two of them, 1GB. Two Visual Studio instances, another 1.5GB. SQL Server + SSMS, 700MB. And don't even get me started on Chrome. 17 tabs and almost 5GB. Close Chrome, restart with exactly the same 17 tabs, and now it uses a meager 2GB. WTF? On a 16GB machine, I had 90% memory utilization (there are other things too, stuff consuming 200MB, etc). F***ing insane.
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if you open Task Manager, and watch Postman's memory usage, you can actually see it adding about 0.1 MB/sec, just sitting there, doing nothing.
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I recall reading an article roughly 10 years ago where the guru from some tech company (Microsoft, Apple, Google, Adobe, Oracle... - I don't remember) made the argument that being ultra efficient with RAM use was foolish - after all having a bunch of unused RAM isn't helping anything. His advice was use as much as you want and let the OS manage it. Today we see the result of said advice... :doh:
10 news for every delete - that's the way to go. :rolleyes:
Nish Nishant Consultant Software Architect Ganymede Software Solutions LLC www.ganymedesoftwaresolutions.com
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Seen this? This weird old tip unlocks running Slack with less than 32GB of RAM[^]
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Interesting. I knew it was basically a custom browser, but jeez, I had no idea how bad.
Latest Article - Slack-Chatting with you rPi Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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if you open Task Manager, and watch Postman's memory usage, you can actually see it adding about 0.1 MB/sec, just sitting there, doing nothing.
Chris Losinger wrote:
just sitting there, doing nothing.
Except leaking memory! :laugh: Ironic, I got this email from Postman last week basically tooting their horn about how great they are, how much their customer base has grown, etc. Sad, because their UI sucks, and their app sucks too IMHO.
Latest Article - Slack-Chatting with you rPi Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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What in gods green earth would require Slack to consume 1/2 Gig of RAM? It's a fucking messaging app!!! Or Postman, which is really nothing but an awful front-end UI for sending REST API calls and receiving responses? Between the two of them, 1GB. Two Visual Studio instances, another 1.5GB. SQL Server + SSMS, 700MB. And don't even get me started on Chrome. 17 tabs and almost 5GB. Close Chrome, restart with exactly the same 17 tabs, and now it uses a meager 2GB. WTF? On a 16GB machine, I had 90% memory utilization (there are other things too, stuff consuming 200MB, etc). F***ing insane.
Latest Article - Slack-Chatting with you rPi Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
Marc Clifton wrote:
consume 1/2 Gig of RAM
.Net
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What in gods green earth would require Slack to consume 1/2 Gig of RAM? It's a fucking messaging app!!! Or Postman, which is really nothing but an awful front-end UI for sending REST API calls and receiving responses? Between the two of them, 1GB. Two Visual Studio instances, another 1.5GB. SQL Server + SSMS, 700MB. And don't even get me started on Chrome. 17 tabs and almost 5GB. Close Chrome, restart with exactly the same 17 tabs, and now it uses a meager 2GB. WTF? On a 16GB machine, I had 90% memory utilization (there are other things too, stuff consuming 200MB, etc). F***ing insane.
Latest Article - Slack-Chatting with you rPi Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
Tip: use the OneTab Chrome extension to save memory: OneTab - Chrome Web Store[^] :-\
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What in gods green earth would require Slack to consume 1/2 Gig of RAM? It's a fucking messaging app!!! Or Postman, which is really nothing but an awful front-end UI for sending REST API calls and receiving responses? Between the two of them, 1GB. Two Visual Studio instances, another 1.5GB. SQL Server + SSMS, 700MB. And don't even get me started on Chrome. 17 tabs and almost 5GB. Close Chrome, restart with exactly the same 17 tabs, and now it uses a meager 2GB. WTF? On a 16GB machine, I had 90% memory utilization (there are other things too, stuff consuming 200MB, etc). F***ing insane.
Latest Article - Slack-Chatting with you rPi Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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What in gods green earth would require Slack to consume 1/2 Gig of RAM? It's a fucking messaging app!!! Or Postman, which is really nothing but an awful front-end UI for sending REST API calls and receiving responses? Between the two of them, 1GB. Two Visual Studio instances, another 1.5GB. SQL Server + SSMS, 700MB. And don't even get me started on Chrome. 17 tabs and almost 5GB. Close Chrome, restart with exactly the same 17 tabs, and now it uses a meager 2GB. WTF? On a 16GB machine, I had 90% memory utilization (there are other things too, stuff consuming 200MB, etc). F***ing insane.
Latest Article - Slack-Chatting with you rPi Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
:thumbsup:
Marc Clifton wrote:
F***ing insane.
Agreed!!
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I recall reading an article roughly 10 years ago where the guru from some tech company (Microsoft, Apple, Google, Adobe, Oracle... - I don't remember) made the argument that being ultra efficient with RAM use was foolish - after all having a bunch of unused RAM isn't helping anything. His advice was use as much as you want and let the OS manage it. Today we see the result of said advice... :doh:
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Today we see the result of said advice..
It really does seem that way. All I can think is these apps load everything into memory as a distinct object and then never let it go. It's just crazy -- no lazy loading, no setting things to null after done with use. Just wanton memory eating with no thought.
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Chris Losinger wrote:
just sitting there, doing nothing.
Except leaking memory! :laugh: Ironic, I got this email from Postman last week basically tooting their horn about how great they are, how much their customer base has grown, etc. Sad, because their UI sucks, and their app sucks too IMHO.
Latest Article - Slack-Chatting with you rPi Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
Marc Clifton wrote:
I got this email from Postman last week basically tooting their horn about how great they are,
It's great because it stands alone. There is Fiddler - Free Web Debugging Proxy - Telerik[^] too but it isn't much better (UI or memory leakage).
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What in gods green earth would require Slack to consume 1/2 Gig of RAM? It's a fucking messaging app!!! Or Postman, which is really nothing but an awful front-end UI for sending REST API calls and receiving responses? Between the two of them, 1GB. Two Visual Studio instances, another 1.5GB. SQL Server + SSMS, 700MB. And don't even get me started on Chrome. 17 tabs and almost 5GB. Close Chrome, restart with exactly the same 17 tabs, and now it uses a meager 2GB. WTF? On a 16GB machine, I had 90% memory utilization (there are other things too, stuff consuming 200MB, etc). F***ing insane.
Latest Article - Slack-Chatting with you rPi Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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What in gods green earth would require Slack to consume 1/2 Gig of RAM? It's a fucking messaging app!!! Or Postman, which is really nothing but an awful front-end UI for sending REST API calls and receiving responses? Between the two of them, 1GB. Two Visual Studio instances, another 1.5GB. SQL Server + SSMS, 700MB. And don't even get me started on Chrome. 17 tabs and almost 5GB. Close Chrome, restart with exactly the same 17 tabs, and now it uses a meager 2GB. WTF? On a 16GB machine, I had 90% memory utilization (there are other things too, stuff consuming 200MB, etc). F***ing insane.
Latest Article - Slack-Chatting with you rPi Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
640K is enough for anyone! :laugh:
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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What in gods green earth would require Slack to consume 1/2 Gig of RAM? It's a fucking messaging app!!! Or Postman, which is really nothing but an awful front-end UI for sending REST API calls and receiving responses? Between the two of them, 1GB. Two Visual Studio instances, another 1.5GB. SQL Server + SSMS, 700MB. And don't even get me started on Chrome. 17 tabs and almost 5GB. Close Chrome, restart with exactly the same 17 tabs, and now it uses a meager 2GB. WTF? On a 16GB machine, I had 90% memory utilization (there are other things too, stuff consuming 200MB, etc). F***ing insane.
Latest Article - Slack-Chatting with you rPi Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
I think that everyone who works in C#, Java, and the other offending languages should be sent to boot camp for a few weeks, to learn C. A few hundred thousand malloc statements later, they'll maybe understand what a bloody mess they're making and relying on microsoft to handle for them!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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640K is enough for anyone! :laugh:
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
"I understand that reference, sir". I think Adobe or Norton should get it engraved on their front door.
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What in gods green earth would require Slack to consume 1/2 Gig of RAM? It's a fucking messaging app!!! Or Postman, which is really nothing but an awful front-end UI for sending REST API calls and receiving responses? Between the two of them, 1GB. Two Visual Studio instances, another 1.5GB. SQL Server + SSMS, 700MB. And don't even get me started on Chrome. 17 tabs and almost 5GB. Close Chrome, restart with exactly the same 17 tabs, and now it uses a meager 2GB. WTF? On a 16GB machine, I had 90% memory utilization (there are other things too, stuff consuming 200MB, etc). F***ing insane.
Latest Article - Slack-Chatting with you rPi Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
Marc Clifton wrote:
now it uses a meager 2GB.
That's because you restarted the background logging of your activities, navigation, music listening,... by closing the browser. :-D
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Today we see the result of said advice..
It really does seem that way. All I can think is these apps load everything into memory as a distinct object and then never let it go. It's just crazy -- no lazy loading, no setting things to null after done with use. Just wanton memory eating with no thought.
raddevus wrote:
no lazy loading
That's unfortunate naming, for once. Loading everything at once IS the lazy way of achieving it. :-D
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What in gods green earth would require Slack to consume 1/2 Gig of RAM? It's a fucking messaging app!!! Or Postman, which is really nothing but an awful front-end UI for sending REST API calls and receiving responses? Between the two of them, 1GB. Two Visual Studio instances, another 1.5GB. SQL Server + SSMS, 700MB. And don't even get me started on Chrome. 17 tabs and almost 5GB. Close Chrome, restart with exactly the same 17 tabs, and now it uses a meager 2GB. WTF? On a 16GB machine, I had 90% memory utilization (there are other things too, stuff consuming 200MB, etc). F***ing insane.
Latest Article - Slack-Chatting with you rPi Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
Apparently, their latest and "greatest" (yeah, just kidding, Slack sucks big time) takes a bit less memory (roughly 350Mb). Still, it's pathetic - and for a messaging app, the only thing I love about it is the ability to scroll using PgUp/PgDn while in the "Message" editbox - which sadly, Skype doesn't have even now. Best, John
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What in gods green earth would require Slack to consume 1/2 Gig of RAM? It's a fucking messaging app!!! Or Postman, which is really nothing but an awful front-end UI for sending REST API calls and receiving responses? Between the two of them, 1GB. Two Visual Studio instances, another 1.5GB. SQL Server + SSMS, 700MB. And don't even get me started on Chrome. 17 tabs and almost 5GB. Close Chrome, restart with exactly the same 17 tabs, and now it uses a meager 2GB. WTF? On a 16GB machine, I had 90% memory utilization (there are other things too, stuff consuming 200MB, etc). F***ing insane.
Latest Article - Slack-Chatting with you rPi Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
Marc Clifton wrote:
What in gods green earth would require Slack to consume 1/2 Gig of RAM?
Marc Clifton wrote:
And don't even get me started on Chrome.
Slack *is* Chrome... At least, it's built as a Javascript app on [Electron](https://electronjs.org/), which uses Chromium as its display engine...
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
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What in gods green earth would require Slack to consume 1/2 Gig of RAM? It's a fucking messaging app!!! Or Postman, which is really nothing but an awful front-end UI for sending REST API calls and receiving responses? Between the two of them, 1GB. Two Visual Studio instances, another 1.5GB. SQL Server + SSMS, 700MB. And don't even get me started on Chrome. 17 tabs and almost 5GB. Close Chrome, restart with exactly the same 17 tabs, and now it uses a meager 2GB. WTF? On a 16GB machine, I had 90% memory utilization (there are other things too, stuff consuming 200MB, etc). F***ing insane.
Latest Article - Slack-Chatting with you rPi Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
Your point is valid, and it sure is a problem that kids of today never learned the RAM equivalent of the big-O of algorithms Yet it is easy to be misled by too quick observations. If you map a 2 GByte file into RAM, you haveessentially set up 500K page table entries, without bringing any of it into physical RAM. In many cases, just a tiny little fraction of it will ever get into RAM before the application terminates. Checking my RAM use right now, there is slightly above 6 GB "In use", green color in the resource monitor, which means that is any process needs RAM, nothing needs to be paged out - the other process can take over those pages without any fuzz. A mere 35 MB is currently "Modified" and needs to be saved to backing storage before another process takes over. 1.9 MB is in "Standby" - the last user of those pages are no longer using them, but they are frequently used segments, so chances are that another process soon may ask for (parts of) it to be "loaded", which is a null operation of the pages are still in memory. Of course there are cases of software that really needs huge amounts of data space - FEM and huge matrix models (read: weather forecasting) are the classical ones. I am currently testing out Coverity (a code analysis tool) that builds a complete flow graph of a million lines of source code; that fills some space. And then there are those that really shouldn't need more than a handful of MB, but requires a few hundred. Or a couple GB. Yet, if it requires a GB during startup, and then that memory is paged out (which is a null operation for code segments), leaving a working set of a dozen MB for continued running, it won't slow down your other programs very much. Only if it actually addresses RAM "all over the place", continously maintaining a huge working set, is there something to worry about. Some programs are that way. But lots of users are screaming out because they see huge numbers, without understanding what the numbers represent.
