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Brexit: Why vote Leave

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  • B Bram van Kampen

    Well, I started a thread earlier, I am a remainer What are the arguments in favour of Leaving the EU. I can see None but Unicorns

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    Well, getting rid of a super privileged gold member will certainly reduce the tensions within the club.

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    • B Bram van Kampen

      Well, I started a thread earlier, I am a remainer What are the arguments in favour of Leaving the EU. I can see None but Unicorns

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      Nelek
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      Bram van Kampen wrote:

      I can see None but Unicorns

      And the ones who voted to leave can't see anything to stay. That's the biggest problem with politics, religions and such topics, you can't have a conversation when the one doesn't need to hear an argument and the other doesn't want to hear an argument

      M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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        Well, I started a thread earlier, I am a remainer What are the arguments in favour of Leaving the EU. I can see None but Unicorns

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        1. Control of immigration, particularly extra EU. 2) Saving 10 billion a year (soon to be 17 billion). 3) A sense of self determination. 4) Ability to arrive at trade deals that suit the British economy. Those are obvious advantages. Of course the problems with leaving the EU are: 1) Isolation. (Airbus, etc, lack of economy of scale) 2) Loss of far east companies using the UK as a base for European penetration (Nissan, LG, etc) If we can arrive at a free trade deal with the EU, then the objections are dealt with. This also suits the EU too.
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          1. Control of immigration, particularly extra EU. 2) Saving 10 billion a year (soon to be 17 billion). 3) A sense of self determination. 4) Ability to arrive at trade deals that suit the British economy. Those are obvious advantages. Of course the problems with leaving the EU are: 1) Isolation. (Airbus, etc, lack of economy of scale) 2) Loss of far east companies using the UK as a base for European penetration (Nissan, LG, etc) If we can arrive at a free trade deal with the EU, then the objections are dealt with. This also suits the EU too.
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          Yes, but who will serve coffee at Pret?

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            Yes, but who will serve coffee at Pret?

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            Robots. :)

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              Yes, but who will serve coffee at Pret?

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              Who cares? ;P

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                Who cares? ;P

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                Remainers[^]

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                  Remainers[^]

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                  Ah Yes, getting to the heart of the issue.

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                    Ah Yes, getting to the heart of the issue.

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                    The passion in that woman's voice....I'm literally shaking...

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                      The passion in that woman's voice....I'm literally shaking...

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                      F-ES Sitecore wrote:

                      I'm literally shaking

                      Tears or laughter?

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                        1. Control of immigration, particularly extra EU. 2) Saving 10 billion a year (soon to be 17 billion). 3) A sense of self determination. 4) Ability to arrive at trade deals that suit the British economy. Those are obvious advantages. Of course the problems with leaving the EU are: 1) Isolation. (Airbus, etc, lack of economy of scale) 2) Loss of far east companies using the UK as a base for European penetration (Nissan, LG, etc) If we can arrive at a free trade deal with the EU, then the objections are dealt with. This also suits the EU too.
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                        So you are getting out of the EU in order to curb non-EU immigration? Smart move.

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                          So you are getting out of the EU in order to curb non-EU immigration? Smart move.

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                          DO you think you are clever in saying that?

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                            So you are getting out of the EU in order to curb non-EU immigration? Smart move.

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                            Given the Syrian migrant crisis, there are now a very large number of non-EU migrants inside the EU. So control of the borders does actually present an opportunity to limit non-EU migration in that regard...

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                              Given the Syrian migrant crisis, there are now a very large number of non-EU migrants inside the EU. So control of the borders does actually present an opportunity to limit non-EU migration in that regard...

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                              You are not even part of Schengen. Besides for non-EU citizens (which the migrants are) there is no free flow in the first place, even for Schengen. You have to enforce your damn laws. That would actually solve the problem. Here a graph for the actual number: [Migrant crisis: EU leaders plan secure migrant centres - BBC News](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44652846) The numbers have fallen to small fraction of the crisis.

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                                DO you think you are clever in saying that?

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                                After March 29th you won't be getting any EU-immigration. The polish plumber will be replaced by an african or indian one. But we have to wait and see it unfolding :)

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                                  After March 29th you won't be getting any EU-immigration. The polish plumber will be replaced by an african or indian one. But we have to wait and see it unfolding :)

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                                  Dont you understand anything? We will be able to control our immigration. Millions of immigrants flocked to Europe, welcomed by Eurocrats, and Merkel. They then dictated how many each country will take. On leaving the EU it will be our decision who we let into the country.

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                                    Given the Syrian migrant crisis, there are now a very large number of non-EU migrants inside the EU. So control of the borders does actually present an opportunity to limit non-EU migration in that regard...

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                                    Not to mention the fact that the EU actually invited these people in, and then dictated how many each country will take.

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                                      Well, getting rid of a super privileged gold member will certainly reduce the tensions within the club.

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                                      Only for Johnny Foreigner, and that's largely why we joined in the first place /s

                                      KeithBarrow.net[^] - It might not be very good, but at least it is free!

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                                        Only for Johnny Foreigner, and that's largely why we joined in the first place /s

                                        KeithBarrow.net[^] - It might not be very good, but at least it is free!

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                                        Here are the special exceptions that were made for the UK to keep them happy, exceptions, which no other member can even dream to enjoy: [Europe ‘à la carte’: The whats and whys behind UK opt-outs – EURACTIV.com](https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/linksdossier/europe-a-la-carte-the-whats-and-whys-behind-uk-opt-outs/) Getting rid of the UK levels the playing field and strengthens the community. It's a good thing that you are leaving. I wish you all the good luck you can have.

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                                        • M Munchies_Matt

                                          Dont you understand anything? We will be able to control our immigration. Millions of immigrants flocked to Europe, welcomed by Eurocrats, and Merkel. They then dictated how many each country will take. On leaving the EU it will be our decision who we let into the country.

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                                          Munchies_Matt wrote:

                                          We will be able to control our immigration

                                          Oh! Heaven forbid! It's almost like you want a wall or something to keep people out. What will the liberals think? If you can't discern the sarcasm in that :sigh: Each nation should be able to control immigration into its borders.

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