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  • F F ES Sitecore

    Very Large Brain wrote:

    I base my voting on promises. And also candidate's history of fulfilling or not promises.

    What about people who have never been elected before so have no history?

    Very Large Brain wrote:

    That is what people voted for.

    :laugh: When leftists whine that the wall is and you reply that the wall is what people want, they voted for it, all of a sudden the argument becomes about percentages and popular votes and blah blah, but when people voting for the wall suits the narrative they're presenting at the time all of a sudden it's a valid argument.

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    Le centriste
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    F-ES Sitecore wrote:

    What about people who have never been elected before so have no history?

    It is very rare that unknowns go straight to the PM candidate. But it can happen.

    F-ES Sitecore wrote:

    you reply that the wall is what people want, they voted for it

    By "people", I mean Trump voters.

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      Proof in your own twisted brain. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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      ZurdoDev
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      Very Large Brain wrote:

      Proof in your own twisted brain.

      Any normal brain. Person A: Trump lied about Mexico and anyone that voted for him believed it. Person B: Most people that voted for him didn't believe it would happen. Person A: So, you knew he was lying. Person B: No, he probably believed it and possibly could still make it happen. You don't believe everything your politician promises do you? ... .... ... ... Person A: But, but, but, you believe in a person who lives in the sky!!! :(( Person B: I accept your surrender. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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        Very Large Brain wrote:

        Proof in your own twisted brain.

        Any normal brain. Person A: Trump lied about Mexico and anyone that voted for him believed it. Person B: Most people that voted for him didn't believe it would happen. Person A: So, you knew he was lying. Person B: No, he probably believed it and possibly could still make it happen. You don't believe everything your politician promises do you? ... .... ... ... Person A: But, but, but, you believe in a person who lives in the sky!!! :(( Person B: I accept your surrender. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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        ZurdoDev wrote:

        I accept your surrender

        No surrender. You voted for a liar, an incompetent, lazy President, and you still support him. He would shoot your whole family and you would still support.

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          Weirdly, it seems to me that foreigners like to bring this up more than Americans, that is that Trump had said that Mexico will pay for the wall. 1. When was the last time you held any politician accountable for what they claimed during campaigning? 2. Most Americans that voted for Trump never believed that Mexico would pay for the wall. I think you all have beat this horse to death. :doh: When you keep bringing it up, it makes it appear that you are a sore loser, which is weird since you didn't even vote at all. And to be fair, IF the wall actually gets built Mexico WILL pay for it. Maybe not directly but they'll have to start dealing with their problems instead of allowing their problems to flee to our country. :^)

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          Lost User
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          Oh I get it, that's like fishing in your hot tub. You don't believe you will catch something but such a strong hankering for fish :) Is this the only thing he claimed many times, but didn't really mean it?

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            ZurdoDev wrote:

            I accept your surrender

            No surrender. You voted for a liar, an incompetent, lazy President, and you still support him. He would shoot your whole family and you would still support.

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            ZurdoDev
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            Very Large Brain wrote:

            and you still support him

            Where have I shown any support for him?

            Very Large Brain wrote:

            He would shoot your whole family and you would still support.

            :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Dude, you keep proving over and over how irrational you are. You are nothing but emotions. Get control of yourself. I'm sorry that facts offend you. But facts don't care about your feelings. :laugh: :laugh:

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              Oh I get it, that's like fishing in your hot tub. You don't believe you will catch something but such a strong hankering for fish :) Is this the only thing he claimed many times, but didn't really mean it?

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              Urban Cricket wrote:

              Is this the only thing he claimed many times, but didn't really mean it?

              Who said he didn't mean it? Wow, you leftist people sure read a lot into what someone different than you writes. Control your emotions so that you can bring rationality to a discussion. :omg:

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                Very Large Brain wrote:

                and you still support him

                Where have I shown any support for him?

                Very Large Brain wrote:

                He would shoot your whole family and you would still support.

                :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Dude, you keep proving over and over how irrational you are. You are nothing but emotions. Get control of yourself. I'm sorry that facts offend you. But facts don't care about your feelings. :laugh: :laugh:

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                Le centriste
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                ZurdoDev wrote:

                I'm sorry that facts offend you

                Which facts are supposedly offending me?

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                  ZurdoDev wrote:

                  I'm sorry that facts offend you

                  Which facts are supposedly offending me?

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                  ZurdoDev
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                  Very Large Brain wrote:

                  Which facts are supposedly offending me?

                  All of them.

                  Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                    Very Large Brain wrote:

                    Which facts are supposedly offending me?

                    All of them.

                    Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                    Le centriste
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                    Not answering the question....

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                      Weirdly, it seems to me that foreigners like to bring this up more than Americans, that is that Trump had said that Mexico will pay for the wall. 1. When was the last time you held any politician accountable for what they claimed during campaigning? 2. Most Americans that voted for Trump never believed that Mexico would pay for the wall. I think you all have beat this horse to death. :doh: When you keep bringing it up, it makes it appear that you are a sore loser, which is weird since you didn't even vote at all. And to be fair, IF the wall actually gets built Mexico WILL pay for it. Maybe not directly but they'll have to start dealing with their problems instead of allowing their problems to flee to our country. :^)

                      Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                      jeron1
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                      "Read my lips...", was a fairly easy target in '92.

                      "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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                        "Read my lips...", was a fairly easy target in '92.

                        "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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                        That got me thinking. What do people really remember about presidents? JFK - "Ask not what your country can do for you..." Richard Nixon - "I am not a crook." Gerald Ford - Slap-Stick (always falling down), nothing of note about his speeches, just Chevy Chase. Jimmy Carter - Brother Billy and his beer. Again, nothing of note about his speeches. Ronald Reagan - "I can not recall." George H. Bush - "Read my lips...", "New World Order..." Bill Clinton - "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!", the meaning of IS. George W. Bush - Just everything.... :confused: :omg: Barack Obama - Birth Certificate (I can't recall any particular speech.) Donald Trump - The Wall, "You are fake news." It seems like things have really gone down hill since the death of JFK. :confused:

                        "When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others; same thing when you are stupid." Ignorant - An individual without knowledge, but is willing to learn. Stupid - An individual without knowledge and is incapable of learning. Idiot - An individual without knowledge and allows social media to do the thinking for them.

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                          That got me thinking. What do people really remember about presidents? JFK - "Ask not what your country can do for you..." Richard Nixon - "I am not a crook." Gerald Ford - Slap-Stick (always falling down), nothing of note about his speeches, just Chevy Chase. Jimmy Carter - Brother Billy and his beer. Again, nothing of note about his speeches. Ronald Reagan - "I can not recall." George H. Bush - "Read my lips...", "New World Order..." Bill Clinton - "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!", the meaning of IS. George W. Bush - Just everything.... :confused: :omg: Barack Obama - Birth Certificate (I can't recall any particular speech.) Donald Trump - The Wall, "You are fake news." It seems like things have really gone down hill since the death of JFK. :confused:

                          "When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others; same thing when you are stupid." Ignorant - An individual without knowledge, but is willing to learn. Stupid - An individual without knowledge and is incapable of learning. Idiot - An individual without knowledge and allows social media to do the thinking for them.

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                          jeron1
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                          It does seem that way yes, I can't say whether it's that actual politicians or has the media altered its agenda, probably some of both. Can I add "but didn't inhale" that list? :laugh:

                          "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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                            It does seem that way yes, I can't say whether it's that actual politicians or has the media altered its agenda, probably some of both. Can I add "but didn't inhale" that list? :laugh:

                            "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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                            :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

                            "When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others; same thing when you are stupid." Ignorant - An individual without knowledge, but is willing to learn. Stupid - An individual without knowledge and is incapable of learning. Idiot - An individual without knowledge and allows social media to do the thinking for them.

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                              "Read my lips...", was a fairly easy target in '92.

                              "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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                              ZurdoDev
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                              Yep, I remember that one.

                              Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                                That got me thinking. What do people really remember about presidents? JFK - "Ask not what your country can do for you..." Richard Nixon - "I am not a crook." Gerald Ford - Slap-Stick (always falling down), nothing of note about his speeches, just Chevy Chase. Jimmy Carter - Brother Billy and his beer. Again, nothing of note about his speeches. Ronald Reagan - "I can not recall." George H. Bush - "Read my lips...", "New World Order..." Bill Clinton - "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!", the meaning of IS. George W. Bush - Just everything.... :confused: :omg: Barack Obama - Birth Certificate (I can't recall any particular speech.) Donald Trump - The Wall, "You are fake news." It seems like things have really gone down hill since the death of JFK. :confused:

                                "When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others; same thing when you are stupid." Ignorant - An individual without knowledge, but is willing to learn. Stupid - An individual without knowledge and is incapable of learning. Idiot - An individual without knowledge and allows social media to do the thinking for them.

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                                Odd... I remember a whole different set of things about the presidents. JFK - Escalated Vietnam, Marilyn Monroe, Cuban missile crisis, assassination. LBJ - Total hypocrite. Massive expansion in Vietnam. Nixon - Crook but peace with China. Ford - Not much but pardoned Nixon. Carter - High oil prices, higher interest rates, Iran hostages. Reagan - Fixed the economy, fall of the USSR, Iran/Contra. Bush 1 - Gulf War 1 (if you can even call it a war), lost 2nd term due to Ross Perot. Clinton - Dotcom bubble, failed attempt to "fix" healthcare, good economy, many scandals. Bush 2 - 9/11, Gulf War 2, WMDs, seriously biased left-wing media is born. Obama - Weaponized the IRS and DOJ. Community organizer. Media gives him a pass on all matters. Trump - Fake news. Actually trying to fulfill campaign promises. Arrogant. Lies a lot.

                                The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.

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                                  Odd... I remember a whole different set of things about the presidents. JFK - Escalated Vietnam, Marilyn Monroe, Cuban missile crisis, assassination. LBJ - Total hypocrite. Massive expansion in Vietnam. Nixon - Crook but peace with China. Ford - Not much but pardoned Nixon. Carter - High oil prices, higher interest rates, Iran hostages. Reagan - Fixed the economy, fall of the USSR, Iran/Contra. Bush 1 - Gulf War 1 (if you can even call it a war), lost 2nd term due to Ross Perot. Clinton - Dotcom bubble, failed attempt to "fix" healthcare, good economy, many scandals. Bush 2 - 9/11, Gulf War 2, WMDs, seriously biased left-wing media is born. Obama - Weaponized the IRS and DOJ. Community organizer. Media gives him a pass on all matters. Trump - Fake news. Actually trying to fulfill campaign promises. Arrogant. Lies a lot.

                                  The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.

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                                  Wow! So many memories... Where's the Jack? I have so many brain cells to kill off. :-\

                                  "When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others; same thing when you are stupid." Ignorant - An individual without knowledge, but is willing to learn. Stupid - An individual without knowledge and is incapable of learning. Idiot - An individual without knowledge and allows social media to do the thinking for them.

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                                    Very Large Brain wrote:

                                    Nor answering your stupid questions.

                                    Proof you're trolling. :zzz:

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                                    Manfred Rudolf Bihy
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                                    Or it's just that you're an asshole?

                                    "I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"

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                                      Or it's just that you're an asshole?

                                      "I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"

                                      Ron White, Comedian

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                                      ZurdoDev
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                                      How so?

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                                        Weirdly, it seems to me that foreigners like to bring this up more than Americans, that is that Trump had said that Mexico will pay for the wall. 1. When was the last time you held any politician accountable for what they claimed during campaigning? 2. Most Americans that voted for Trump never believed that Mexico would pay for the wall. I think you all have beat this horse to death. :doh: When you keep bringing it up, it makes it appear that you are a sore loser, which is weird since you didn't even vote at all. And to be fair, IF the wall actually gets built Mexico WILL pay for it. Maybe not directly but they'll have to start dealing with their problems instead of allowing their problems to flee to our country. :^)

                                        Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                                        Mycroft Holmes
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                                        And yet you, presumably a non foreigner, is bringing it up. Being a foreigner I don't really have a political opinion on trump (I agree with JSOP on this) but he is bloody funny, except he potentially has a finger on a nuclear button. As for 1, pollies need to be held accountable, boil the bastard in oil when they are caught out!

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                                          And yet you, presumably a non foreigner, is bringing it up. Being a foreigner I don't really have a political opinion on trump (I agree with JSOP on this) but he is bloody funny, except he potentially has a finger on a nuclear button. As for 1, pollies need to be held accountable, boil the bastard in oil when they are caught out!

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                                          ZurdoDev
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                                          Mycroft Holmes wrote:

                                          And yet you, presumably a non foreigner, is bringing it up.

                                          :laugh: :laugh: :thumbsup: How can you talk about something without bringing it up?

                                          Mycroft Holmes wrote:

                                          As for 1, pollies need to be held accountable, boil the bastard in oil when they are caught out!

                                          Oh HECK NO!!! There are so many secret agreements between countries and departments within the government that until you get into that position and see what is ACTUALLY happening, you have no clue whatsoever if you can actually keep your own promises.

                                          Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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