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  • P Paul Watson

    Is $25 a reasonable amount of money to you? To me it is, it is not an amount I will spend on a whim. It is the equivalent of two hundred and fifty South African Rand. That is the same as 10 prime time movie tickets or 25 Big Macs. I ask because David Stone was quite amazed that I am hesitant to pay $25 for Trillian Pro. $25 which to him was spent quite easily. $25 to me which I simply won't pay for Trillian Pro, the free version does well enough. (This also brings up the question about shareware authors and how they price their goods.) For those who live in first world countries; Do you realise that $25 to most of the world is not peanuts, that it is an amount which careful thought is given to on spending? Actually it is an amount that many simply don't have. Even for a middle class white boy like me living in a reasonable third world country like South Africa $25 is a lot of money. Just curious, David Stone was quite amazed :)

    Paul Watson
    Bluegrass
    Cape Town, South Africa

    Vivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...

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    Steve McLenithan
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    Paul Watson wrote: Is $25 a reasonable amount of money to you? That really depends on the product in question. IE: I didn't hesitate once when purchasing my new graphics card for $350. To me it is a matter of want vs need and how well the product would satisfy that want/need. I wouldn't waste $25 on Trillian, it has never worked that well on my laptop anyway. My 2/100 cents:cool:

    Steve McLenithan
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    • P Paul Watson

      Is $25 a reasonable amount of money to you? To me it is, it is not an amount I will spend on a whim. It is the equivalent of two hundred and fifty South African Rand. That is the same as 10 prime time movie tickets or 25 Big Macs. I ask because David Stone was quite amazed that I am hesitant to pay $25 for Trillian Pro. $25 which to him was spent quite easily. $25 to me which I simply won't pay for Trillian Pro, the free version does well enough. (This also brings up the question about shareware authors and how they price their goods.) For those who live in first world countries; Do you realise that $25 to most of the world is not peanuts, that it is an amount which careful thought is given to on spending? Actually it is an amount that many simply don't have. Even for a middle class white boy like me living in a reasonable third world country like South Africa $25 is a lot of money. Just curious, David Stone was quite amazed :)

      Paul Watson
      Bluegrass
      Cape Town, South Africa

      Vivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...

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      Jamie Hale
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      Paul Watson wrote: That is the same as 10 prime time movie tickets Damn. Movies here now cost $13.50CAD. That's about $10US. My wife and I are going out to see X2 tonight - tickets and popcorn will come to at least a Trillian Pro license. I live in a 1st world country, but I still say $25 is steep for an IM client. Of course I'm a little biased - I'm an FSF convert. Free the code! ;P J

      "You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant."

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      • P Paul Watson

        Is $25 a reasonable amount of money to you? To me it is, it is not an amount I will spend on a whim. It is the equivalent of two hundred and fifty South African Rand. That is the same as 10 prime time movie tickets or 25 Big Macs. I ask because David Stone was quite amazed that I am hesitant to pay $25 for Trillian Pro. $25 which to him was spent quite easily. $25 to me which I simply won't pay for Trillian Pro, the free version does well enough. (This also brings up the question about shareware authors and how they price their goods.) For those who live in first world countries; Do you realise that $25 to most of the world is not peanuts, that it is an amount which careful thought is given to on spending? Actually it is an amount that many simply don't have. Even for a middle class white boy like me living in a reasonable third world country like South Africa $25 is a lot of money. Just curious, David Stone was quite amazed :)

        Paul Watson
        Bluegrass
        Cape Town, South Africa

        Vivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...

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        Zachery
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        $25 for software, it'd have to be a really REALLY good peice of software to warrant that. $25 is a lot. I truly learned the value of a dollar in my years at college. $25 is not something to spend on a whim, you can buy a lot with that, or at least eat for a week (a month if you just go with Ramen, Easy Mac, and Faygo):) .............Zack............. Developer Extraordinaire "It's all about function over form. I mean, look at NASA. Their code isn't formatted correctly and their stuff looks crappy, but, they'll get you to the moon." GCS\P\SS d- s-:- a-- C++$ U--- P--- L- E- W++ N o K-? w+++ O++ !M-- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5+ X+ R++ tv++ b++ DI++ D+++ G+>G++++ e* h- r++ y+

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        • P Paul Watson

          Is $25 a reasonable amount of money to you? To me it is, it is not an amount I will spend on a whim. It is the equivalent of two hundred and fifty South African Rand. That is the same as 10 prime time movie tickets or 25 Big Macs. I ask because David Stone was quite amazed that I am hesitant to pay $25 for Trillian Pro. $25 which to him was spent quite easily. $25 to me which I simply won't pay for Trillian Pro, the free version does well enough. (This also brings up the question about shareware authors and how they price their goods.) For those who live in first world countries; Do you realise that $25 to most of the world is not peanuts, that it is an amount which careful thought is given to on spending? Actually it is an amount that many simply don't have. Even for a middle class white boy like me living in a reasonable third world country like South Africa $25 is a lot of money. Just curious, David Stone was quite amazed :)

          Paul Watson
          Bluegrass
          Cape Town, South Africa

          Vivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...

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          Paul Watson wrote: Is $25 a reasonable amount of money to you? Yes, $25 is a reasonable amount of money. I work hard for my pay. I don't want to part with it too quickly. It doesn't come back all that easily. Paul Watson wrote: For those who live in first world countries; Do you realise that $25 to most of the world is not peanuts I went to Russia with a buddy of mine about 18 months ago. We went south from Moscow by train. 19.5 hours later we were in a small town where the average pay of a well paid person was equivalent to about $8US. Simple things like deoderant that cost $2 was a luxury for many. It was eye opening. I will never forget it. One more comment... I sold software via Handango.com and PocketGear.com. I sold a little PocketPC utility for $5.00US for a while. The utility was used to set the default input method on the PocketPC. I got a couple of emails from folks who felt $5.00 was way too much money. I reconsidered and decided to give away the little util. There were quite a few folks out there who bought the product at $5.00. Generally I ask myself 'how many hours of work does that purchase equal?'. Regards, Wayne

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          • P Paul Watson

            Is $25 a reasonable amount of money to you? To me it is, it is not an amount I will spend on a whim. It is the equivalent of two hundred and fifty South African Rand. That is the same as 10 prime time movie tickets or 25 Big Macs. I ask because David Stone was quite amazed that I am hesitant to pay $25 for Trillian Pro. $25 which to him was spent quite easily. $25 to me which I simply won't pay for Trillian Pro, the free version does well enough. (This also brings up the question about shareware authors and how they price their goods.) For those who live in first world countries; Do you realise that $25 to most of the world is not peanuts, that it is an amount which careful thought is given to on spending? Actually it is an amount that many simply don't have. Even for a middle class white boy like me living in a reasonable third world country like South Africa $25 is a lot of money. Just curious, David Stone was quite amazed :)

            Paul Watson
            Bluegrass
            Cape Town, South Africa

            Vivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...

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            Todd Smith
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            My lunch cost $20. But I still wont pay $25 for trillian only because the free version fits my needs. I did however pay $30 to register QuickTime to get rid of the annoying register prompt and get some of the features in the pro version. Todd Smith

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            • P Paul Watson

              Is $25 a reasonable amount of money to you? To me it is, it is not an amount I will spend on a whim. It is the equivalent of two hundred and fifty South African Rand. That is the same as 10 prime time movie tickets or 25 Big Macs. I ask because David Stone was quite amazed that I am hesitant to pay $25 for Trillian Pro. $25 which to him was spent quite easily. $25 to me which I simply won't pay for Trillian Pro, the free version does well enough. (This also brings up the question about shareware authors and how they price their goods.) For those who live in first world countries; Do you realise that $25 to most of the world is not peanuts, that it is an amount which careful thought is given to on spending? Actually it is an amount that many simply don't have. Even for a middle class white boy like me living in a reasonable third world country like South Africa $25 is a lot of money. Just curious, David Stone was quite amazed :)

              Paul Watson
              Bluegrass
              Cape Town, South Africa

              Vivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...

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              Navin
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              In general, yes, $25 is a fair bit of money. I would hesitate to spend $25 on, say, dinner, unless it was a special occasion. Even if I take somebody else out, it's generally less than $25. I might pay $25 for a good pair of pants. $25 for a polo shirt is too much. I wouldn't pay $25 for a music CD, no matter how good it was (although there are some that are close to that price.. X| ) For software, $25 would be reasonable for something I either really like, or must have. But many people don't have a second thought about spending $25 on something. I guess it depends on your attitude towards money and your station in life. "When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute and it's longer than any hour. That's relativity." - Albert Einstein

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              • P Paul Watson

                Is $25 a reasonable amount of money to you? To me it is, it is not an amount I will spend on a whim. It is the equivalent of two hundred and fifty South African Rand. That is the same as 10 prime time movie tickets or 25 Big Macs. I ask because David Stone was quite amazed that I am hesitant to pay $25 for Trillian Pro. $25 which to him was spent quite easily. $25 to me which I simply won't pay for Trillian Pro, the free version does well enough. (This also brings up the question about shareware authors and how they price their goods.) For those who live in first world countries; Do you realise that $25 to most of the world is not peanuts, that it is an amount which careful thought is given to on spending? Actually it is an amount that many simply don't have. Even for a middle class white boy like me living in a reasonable third world country like South Africa $25 is a lot of money. Just curious, David Stone was quite amazed :)

                Paul Watson
                Bluegrass
                Cape Town, South Africa

                Vivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...

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                Chris Losinger
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                $25 doesn't go far in the US a beer in a bar is around $4 an average lunch is around $6 a roll of slide film is $4, add $8 for developing a decent (but not great) bottle of wine is $12 a CD from a store is at least $15 it costs $21 to fill up my VW Passat with 93 octane a dinner at a decent restaurant is easily $25/person almost any new PC game will be $49, $39 after a month or so my monthly cable bill, including broadband, is $85 To vote with no response is to follow the way of the coward.

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                • P Paul Watson

                  Is $25 a reasonable amount of money to you? To me it is, it is not an amount I will spend on a whim. It is the equivalent of two hundred and fifty South African Rand. That is the same as 10 prime time movie tickets or 25 Big Macs. I ask because David Stone was quite amazed that I am hesitant to pay $25 for Trillian Pro. $25 which to him was spent quite easily. $25 to me which I simply won't pay for Trillian Pro, the free version does well enough. (This also brings up the question about shareware authors and how they price their goods.) For those who live in first world countries; Do you realise that $25 to most of the world is not peanuts, that it is an amount which careful thought is given to on spending? Actually it is an amount that many simply don't have. Even for a middle class white boy like me living in a reasonable third world country like South Africa $25 is a lot of money. Just curious, David Stone was quite amazed :)

                  Paul Watson
                  Bluegrass
                  Cape Town, South Africa

                  Vivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...

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                  Paul Watson wrote: Do you realise that $25 to most of the world is not peanuts, that it is an amount which careful thought is given to on spending? I certainly understand - I live here in the US, and people on CP say "why don't you just go out and buy a 52x CD-RW" and "What fool would keep on using Windows 98/ME? Why not upgrade to XP?". They don't understand that for many people both in the US and esp. overseas, the amount of money that they take for granted and just "throw around" is an amount that other, less fortunate people may not even have. The majority of Americans are blessed beyond many other people's dreams, and yet many of them seem to think it's less than they deserve. We helped a poor lady in India whose husband had left her because she was a Christian. We only gave her $8, but it made a difference between her living, or dying of typhoid because of lack of medicine.

                  "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." - Jesus
                  "An eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind." - Mahatma Gandhi

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                  • Z Zachery

                    $25 for software, it'd have to be a really REALLY good peice of software to warrant that. $25 is a lot. I truly learned the value of a dollar in my years at college. $25 is not something to spend on a whim, you can buy a lot with that, or at least eat for a week (a month if you just go with Ramen, Easy Mac, and Faygo):) .............Zack............. Developer Extraordinaire "It's all about function over form. I mean, look at NASA. Their code isn't formatted correctly and their stuff looks crappy, but, they'll get you to the moon." GCS\P\SS d- s-:- a-- C++$ U--- P--- L- E- W++ N o K-? w+++ O++ !M-- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5+ X+ R++ tv++ b++ DI++ D+++ G+>G++++ e* h- r++ y+

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                    Zachery wrote: $25 for software, it'd have to be a really REALLY good peice of software to warrant that No - it would have to be a piece of software that would save you that amount in work time. If you make $25 an hour and you need a piece of software that will take you a couple of days to write, would you then rather write it yourself or spend those days earning money elsewhere (or, as the case may be, actually having a weekend off). There's definitely the learning and fun factor to writing your own, but way too many people in this industry have a 'not written here' mentality that is nuts. I see it in myself (often) and it's hard to break. cheers, Chris Maunder

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                    • P Paul Watson

                      Is $25 a reasonable amount of money to you? To me it is, it is not an amount I will spend on a whim. It is the equivalent of two hundred and fifty South African Rand. That is the same as 10 prime time movie tickets or 25 Big Macs. I ask because David Stone was quite amazed that I am hesitant to pay $25 for Trillian Pro. $25 which to him was spent quite easily. $25 to me which I simply won't pay for Trillian Pro, the free version does well enough. (This also brings up the question about shareware authors and how they price their goods.) For those who live in first world countries; Do you realise that $25 to most of the world is not peanuts, that it is an amount which careful thought is given to on spending? Actually it is an amount that many simply don't have. Even for a middle class white boy like me living in a reasonable third world country like South Africa $25 is a lot of money. Just curious, David Stone was quite amazed :)

                      Paul Watson
                      Bluegrass
                      Cape Town, South Africa

                      Vivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...

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                      Ranjan Banerji
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                      Pricing of American products or products from western europe, for use in other parts of the world has always been a big issue. Most of the world has to think very carefully before spending $25. However, if you think about it from the American point of view, you won't make much of a profit unless you sell it for $25. This has also got to do with the strength of the dollar vis a vis other currencies. But economic sense set aside, marketers from Europe and the US are also sometimes very short sighted. The Japanese seem to manage their international marketing and pricing much better.

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                      • C Chris Losinger

                        $25 doesn't go far in the US a beer in a bar is around $4 an average lunch is around $6 a roll of slide film is $4, add $8 for developing a decent (but not great) bottle of wine is $12 a CD from a store is at least $15 it costs $21 to fill up my VW Passat with 93 octane a dinner at a decent restaurant is easily $25/person almost any new PC game will be $49, $39 after a month or so my monthly cable bill, including broadband, is $85 To vote with no response is to follow the way of the coward.

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                        Funny thing - money. 25.00 is about 20 min pay but I am an old fart and remember when 25.00 was all that stood between me and the street :) So I am careful with money - with some minor exceptions such as guitars and food. Chris Losinger wrote: a beer in a bar is around $4 About what it is in Dallas unless you go to one of the snobby little micro brew places - much like the fern bars of yesteryear - that are popping up here and there. A 12 pack of St. Pauli Girl costs me 11.88 and I can take it home and for about 2 dollars a day have a couple of nice cold beers on that patio every evening. Much more enjoyable that a bar or pub. Chris Losinger wrote: an average lunch is around $6 Not unless its at a fast food joint or a greasy spoon diner. I usually bring a lunch but I do go out 1-2 days a week and my credit card statements reflect an average cost of about 12 dollars. Chris Losinger wrote: a roll of slide film is $4, add $8 for developing One word - digital. I am not really sure of the actual cost but I can print up 8x10 prints for about 75 cents apiece on decent grade paper. Premium paper costs a quite a bit more but is seldom needed. We take abot 400-500 photos a month - many more than we did back in the old days. Chris Losinger wrote: my monthly cable bill, including broadband, is $85 Mine is 80.00 a month not including broadband. I have a DSL connection that runs 39.95 per month. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles

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                        • P Paul Watson

                          Is $25 a reasonable amount of money to you? To me it is, it is not an amount I will spend on a whim. It is the equivalent of two hundred and fifty South African Rand. That is the same as 10 prime time movie tickets or 25 Big Macs. I ask because David Stone was quite amazed that I am hesitant to pay $25 for Trillian Pro. $25 which to him was spent quite easily. $25 to me which I simply won't pay for Trillian Pro, the free version does well enough. (This also brings up the question about shareware authors and how they price their goods.) For those who live in first world countries; Do you realise that $25 to most of the world is not peanuts, that it is an amount which careful thought is given to on spending? Actually it is an amount that many simply don't have. Even for a middle class white boy like me living in a reasonable third world country like South Africa $25 is a lot of money. Just curious, David Stone was quite amazed :)

                          Paul Watson
                          Bluegrass
                          Cape Town, South Africa

                          Vivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...

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                          Paul Watson wrote: That is the same as 10 prime time movie tickets or 25 Big Macs. Movie tickets in the 'States tend to go for around $8. My incredibly cheap rent, per month, is $600 + utilities -- Russell Morris "Have you gone mad Frink? Put down that science pole!"

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                          • P Paul Watson

                            Is $25 a reasonable amount of money to you? To me it is, it is not an amount I will spend on a whim. It is the equivalent of two hundred and fifty South African Rand. That is the same as 10 prime time movie tickets or 25 Big Macs. I ask because David Stone was quite amazed that I am hesitant to pay $25 for Trillian Pro. $25 which to him was spent quite easily. $25 to me which I simply won't pay for Trillian Pro, the free version does well enough. (This also brings up the question about shareware authors and how they price their goods.) For those who live in first world countries; Do you realise that $25 to most of the world is not peanuts, that it is an amount which careful thought is given to on spending? Actually it is an amount that many simply don't have. Even for a middle class white boy like me living in a reasonable third world country like South Africa $25 is a lot of money. Just curious, David Stone was quite amazed :)

                            Paul Watson
                            Bluegrass
                            Cape Town, South Africa

                            Vivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...

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                            Paul Watson wrote: (This also brings up the question about shareware authors and how they price their goods.) I don't want to sound self-righteous, but I am one of these rare people who do register shareware. For example Paint Shop Pro (you are on day 634 of your evaluation period!) and Winzip, which I use all the time. My philosophy on this is simple. If it's a product I like, and use, then I'd want to see it's development continued. And the only way that's going to happen is to pay the developer something for his troubles. But I have spent far more money on high-end commercial software, like VS.Net Architect, and Delphi, and Office XP, than all my shareware purchases combined. John www.silveronion.com[^]

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                            • P Paul Watson

                              Is $25 a reasonable amount of money to you? To me it is, it is not an amount I will spend on a whim. It is the equivalent of two hundred and fifty South African Rand. That is the same as 10 prime time movie tickets or 25 Big Macs. I ask because David Stone was quite amazed that I am hesitant to pay $25 for Trillian Pro. $25 which to him was spent quite easily. $25 to me which I simply won't pay for Trillian Pro, the free version does well enough. (This also brings up the question about shareware authors and how they price their goods.) For those who live in first world countries; Do you realise that $25 to most of the world is not peanuts, that it is an amount which careful thought is given to on spending? Actually it is an amount that many simply don't have. Even for a middle class white boy like me living in a reasonable third world country like South Africa $25 is a lot of money. Just curious, David Stone was quite amazed :)

                              Paul Watson
                              Bluegrass
                              Cape Town, South Africa

                              Vivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...

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                              I guess a copy of the OS you are using to operate your computer is free in South Africa. As an example Mac OSX in South Africa R1500 and in the USA $150, converted into Big Mac Currency about the same No?. The problem is not money it is attitude. You are quite free to sell your shareware to a world market and receive world market prices, or would you rather that South African companies only get paid in Big Macs. Get Real. He who laughs last thinks slowest.

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                              • P Paul Watson

                                Is $25 a reasonable amount of money to you? To me it is, it is not an amount I will spend on a whim. It is the equivalent of two hundred and fifty South African Rand. That is the same as 10 prime time movie tickets or 25 Big Macs. I ask because David Stone was quite amazed that I am hesitant to pay $25 for Trillian Pro. $25 which to him was spent quite easily. $25 to me which I simply won't pay for Trillian Pro, the free version does well enough. (This also brings up the question about shareware authors and how they price their goods.) For those who live in first world countries; Do you realise that $25 to most of the world is not peanuts, that it is an amount which careful thought is given to on spending? Actually it is an amount that many simply don't have. Even for a middle class white boy like me living in a reasonable third world country like South Africa $25 is a lot of money. Just curious, David Stone was quite amazed :)

                                Paul Watson
                                Bluegrass
                                Cape Town, South Africa

                                Vivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...

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                                $25 here will get you less than 10 Big Macs (with tax) For a good dinner, i can easily spend that or more, unless i'm careful [about who i bring with]... IMHO, Trillian Pro is easily worth $25... but then again, i had donated $10 prior to the Pro version being released, so i got it for that. ;)

                                - Shog9 -

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                                  Is $25 a reasonable amount of money to you? To me it is, it is not an amount I will spend on a whim. It is the equivalent of two hundred and fifty South African Rand. That is the same as 10 prime time movie tickets or 25 Big Macs. I ask because David Stone was quite amazed that I am hesitant to pay $25 for Trillian Pro. $25 which to him was spent quite easily. $25 to me which I simply won't pay for Trillian Pro, the free version does well enough. (This also brings up the question about shareware authors and how they price their goods.) For those who live in first world countries; Do you realise that $25 to most of the world is not peanuts, that it is an amount which careful thought is given to on spending? Actually it is an amount that many simply don't have. Even for a middle class white boy like me living in a reasonable third world country like South Africa $25 is a lot of money. Just curious, David Stone was quite amazed :)

                                  Paul Watson
                                  Bluegrass
                                  Cape Town, South Africa

                                  Vivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...

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                                  It's a relative thing... Though AZ is one of the cheapest places to live in the US, $25 is a lot of money. In terms of effort to acquire $25 represents a full day's pay here. If you buy local goods and services it can go a long way - 25 beers (if you don't tip), 33 games of darts or 50 games of pool, 3 movie tickets, 2 nice but inexpensive dinners (no drinks), 1 month of Internet access (dialup only). I have no idea what that is in Big Macs, as I would never buy one, even for the neighbor's cat. If you buy things provided by other places it's a different ballgame - 1/2 of an average technical book, 2 unpopular CDs, a magazine subscription, 25 newspapers (LA Times), 1 gallon of paint, 1 bottle of decent wine, 3 chickens, 1 week of auto insurance, 1/3 of an office visit to the doctor (assuming he does nothing but look at you), 1 week of any low-cost prescription medicine. But $25 for an excellent IM product seems quite reasonable if you spend any significant time chatting with friends or family.

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                                    Is $25 a reasonable amount of money to you? To me it is, it is not an amount I will spend on a whim. It is the equivalent of two hundred and fifty South African Rand. That is the same as 10 prime time movie tickets or 25 Big Macs. I ask because David Stone was quite amazed that I am hesitant to pay $25 for Trillian Pro. $25 which to him was spent quite easily. $25 to me which I simply won't pay for Trillian Pro, the free version does well enough. (This also brings up the question about shareware authors and how they price their goods.) For those who live in first world countries; Do you realise that $25 to most of the world is not peanuts, that it is an amount which careful thought is given to on spending? Actually it is an amount that many simply don't have. Even for a middle class white boy like me living in a reasonable third world country like South Africa $25 is a lot of money. Just curious, David Stone was quite amazed :)

                                    Paul Watson
                                    Bluegrass
                                    Cape Town, South Africa

                                    Vivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...

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                                    Jon Sagara
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                                    Paul Watson wrote: Is $25 a reasonable amount of money to you? Yes.

                                    Jon Sagara
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                                      Is $25 a reasonable amount of money to you? To me it is, it is not an amount I will spend on a whim. It is the equivalent of two hundred and fifty South African Rand. That is the same as 10 prime time movie tickets or 25 Big Macs. I ask because David Stone was quite amazed that I am hesitant to pay $25 for Trillian Pro. $25 which to him was spent quite easily. $25 to me which I simply won't pay for Trillian Pro, the free version does well enough. (This also brings up the question about shareware authors and how they price their goods.) For those who live in first world countries; Do you realise that $25 to most of the world is not peanuts, that it is an amount which careful thought is given to on spending? Actually it is an amount that many simply don't have. Even for a middle class white boy like me living in a reasonable third world country like South Africa $25 is a lot of money. Just curious, David Stone was quite amazed :)

                                      Paul Watson
                                      Bluegrass
                                      Cape Town, South Africa

                                      Vivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...

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                                      Chris Richardson
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                                      Well, considering when I go out tonight with my girlfriend, I will probably spend $100 in an hour and a half at the bar, no, $25 is not a lot of money to me (except when money gets tight :)). Here's a table of what things cost around here: - A tank of gas in my Jeep == $25 - Dinner for two at an average restaurant (not fancy) == $45 - Case of beer (24) == $19 - Food for a week from the grocery store == $40 I live in a suburb of Minneapolis, MN, USA. Not one of the more expensive places to live. Chris Richardson
                                      Terrain Software

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                                        Paul Watson wrote: That is the same as 10 prime time movie tickets or 25 Big Macs. Movie tickets in the 'States tend to go for around $8. My incredibly cheap rent, per month, is $600 + utilities -- Russell Morris "Have you gone mad Frink? Put down that science pole!"

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                                        Joshua Quick
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                                        In the San Francisco area, movie tickets now cost $9.25. So, $25 will allow you to buy 2 tickets and maybe one small drink. Don't get me started on rent. I'm paying $1500 for 2 bedroom, which is $500 less than what I was paying 3 years ago during the .COM boom.

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                                          Is $25 a reasonable amount of money to you? To me it is, it is not an amount I will spend on a whim. It is the equivalent of two hundred and fifty South African Rand. That is the same as 10 prime time movie tickets or 25 Big Macs. I ask because David Stone was quite amazed that I am hesitant to pay $25 for Trillian Pro. $25 which to him was spent quite easily. $25 to me which I simply won't pay for Trillian Pro, the free version does well enough. (This also brings up the question about shareware authors and how they price their goods.) For those who live in first world countries; Do you realise that $25 to most of the world is not peanuts, that it is an amount which careful thought is given to on spending? Actually it is an amount that many simply don't have. Even for a middle class white boy like me living in a reasonable third world country like South Africa $25 is a lot of money. Just curious, David Stone was quite amazed :)

                                          Paul Watson
                                          Bluegrass
                                          Cape Town, South Africa

                                          Vivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...

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                                          David Wulff
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                                          That's what, £15? (It is, I checked the exchange rates). If I had it in my hand walking home I would probably spend it on snacks just for the journey and maybe a magazine or two. I'd probably keep a fiver back just to avoid breaking into anything bigger for the odd newspaper here and there. I'm not rich by any means, well not like that, but pocket change is not worth holding onto IMHO. Look at it in perspective - £15 is one round at the pub for four people.


                                          David Wulff

                                          "Without hopes and dreams we're directionless" - Anna

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