The Concept of the human Soul is a religious concept, which has no basis in fact, and does not exist
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Bram van Kampen wrote:
The Concept of a Soul is a medieval construct to explain the things that at the time could not be understood. I think we are in a position to know better now. I for one am not afraid of dying. I will simply cease to exist. This has nothing to do with believing, it has to do with Knowing.
These sound a hell of a lot like articles of faith to me, making you just another religious nut-job that refuses to embrace science. The distinction between faith and science is that science is, by definition, falsifiable. Faith, however, is "Knowing".
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
Nathan Minier wrote:
faith and science
Ironically, you have faith in science. :-D Faith is believing in something that can't be seen. You believe what science teaches you without actually verifying the results yourself, which means you are taking their word for it on faith. We ALL use faith every day in all that we do. It's not a bad thing nor just a religious thing.
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Nathan Minier wrote:
faith and science
Ironically, you have faith in science. :-D Faith is believing in something that can't be seen. You believe what science teaches you without actually verifying the results yourself, which means you are taking their word for it on faith. We ALL use faith every day in all that we do. It's not a bad thing nor just a religious thing.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Ironically, you have faith in science. :-D Faith is believing in something that can't be seen. You believe what science teaches you without actually verifying the results yourself, which means you are taking their word for it on faith.
No, we rely on other scientists to validate the claims. Not by looking, but by measuring. With unbiased tools. Science does not require any belief at all, and you can verify and dispute every claim made.
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Not all, we know that printer drivers go to Silicon Hell.
You mean this? [Office Space - Printer Scene (UNCENSORED) - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9wsjroVlu8) :)
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Well Folks We all write programs. The question is: where do your efforts go, when halfway through a debug, your system locks up, and, the only way out is to re-start your computer. Your efforts evaporated, and, increased the entropy of the universe. The Human brain is an incredibly complex computer, which we have not yet mastered to fully understand. It is certainly not Binary. It has it's own system of messaging and information storage. We do not (yet) understand the precise details of the How, but, we can live with the concept. That magnificent but Ill understood Computer runs a program, that gives us our self awareness, our agency to make decisions, and, outside of our awareness, runs the power plant to keep us alive, the digestive system, etc. The concept of Information Technology is relatively New. Until recently, the concept of life with agency could only be explained by means of a Divine Spark of Life, given out by a God of local choice. Furthermore, that imagined spark of life would be eternal, and, Life should should go on somewhere after the demise of the body. A Heaven or Hell, dependent on the religion one practices. The concept of an 'Hereafter' goes back thousands of years. (and as Soul that somehow lives on beyond death) Well I would state that there is no such thing as a soul. When an individual dies, ultimately the Brain is Shut Down, and the information contained therein, goes to increase the enthrophy of the universe. The Concept of a Soul is a medieval construct to explain the things that at the time could not be understood. I think we are in a position to know better now. I for one am not afraid of dying. I will simply cease to exist. This has nothing to do with believing, it has to do with Knowing.
Bram van Kampen
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Ironically, you have faith in science. :-D Faith is believing in something that can't be seen. You believe what science teaches you without actually verifying the results yourself, which means you are taking their word for it on faith.
No, we rely on other scientists to validate the claims. Not by looking, but by measuring. With unbiased tools. Science does not require any belief at all, and you can verify and dispute every claim made.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
we rely on other scientists to validate the claims. Not by looking, but by measuring. With unbiased tools.
Correct. And then you have faith that they did it correctly.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
With unbiased tools.
Global warming. Wine. Eggs. Ice ages. :laugh:
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
we rely on other scientists to validate the claims. Not by looking, but by measuring. With unbiased tools.
Correct. And then you have faith that they did it correctly.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
With unbiased tools.
Global warming. Wine. Eggs. Ice ages. :laugh:
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Correct. And then you have faith that they did it correctly.
No, I don't. And "they" are not a bound group, it includes us.
ZurdoDev wrote:
Global warming. Wine. Eggs. Ice ages. :laugh:
Angels, prayers, unicorns; "superstition".
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Correct. And then you have faith that they did it correctly.
No, I don't. And "they" are not a bound group, it includes us.
ZurdoDev wrote:
Global warming. Wine. Eggs. Ice ages. :laugh:
Angels, prayers, unicorns; "superstition".
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
No, I don'
Then what would you call it?
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Bram van Kampen wrote:
The Concept of a Soul is a medieval construct to explain the things that at the time could not be understood. I think we are in a position to know better now. I for one am not afraid of dying. I will simply cease to exist. This has nothing to do with believing, it has to do with Knowing.
These sound a hell of a lot like articles of faith to me, making you just another religious nut-job that refuses to embrace science. The distinction between faith and science is that science is, by definition, falsifiable. Faith, however, is "Knowing".
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
Falsify this: [Many-worlds interpretation - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds\_interpretation) (I have ten other fundamental theories after you finish with this one) :)
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
No, I don'
Then what would you call it?
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Then what would you call it?
I don't call it anything; you labelled it "faith", which I have explained is not required. That is one reason why kids do "science" experiments in school; to show them that they get the same result, independent of their beliefs, religions or convictions.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Then what would you call it?
I don't call it anything; you labelled it "faith", which I have explained is not required. That is one reason why kids do "science" experiments in school; to show them that they get the same result, independent of their beliefs, religions or convictions.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I don't call it anything
Interesting.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
to show them that they get the same result, independent of their beliefs, religions or convictions.
Obviously. But you believe in plenty of scientific statements without having tested them yourself.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I don't call it anything
Interesting.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
to show them that they get the same result, independent of their beliefs, religions or convictions.
Obviously. But you believe in plenty of scientific statements without having tested them yourself.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Obviously. But you believe in plenty of scientific statements without having tested them yourself.
No, that is not a belief or faith. I know they are valid, because they are being verified and validated every day, by independent people. That means there's no requirement for me to "believe" or "assume". Seriously, would you have CP judge articles based on "faith" and "belief", or rather have the code verified by everyone who comes across it? Does your code require "faith"?
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Obviously. But you believe in plenty of scientific statements without having tested them yourself.
No, that is not a belief or faith. I know they are valid, because they are being verified and validated every day, by independent people. That means there's no requirement for me to "believe" or "assume". Seriously, would you have CP judge articles based on "faith" and "belief", or rather have the code verified by everyone who comes across it? Does your code require "faith"?
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
because they are being verified and validated every day, by independent people.
You assume. :laugh: :laugh: And you trust/have faith/believe/whatever you want to call it that they are doing it right.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
because they are being verified and validated every day, by independent people.
You assume. :laugh: :laugh: And you trust/have faith/believe/whatever you want to call it that they are doing it right.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
You assume. :laugh: :laugh: And you trust/have faith/believe/whatever you want to call it that they are doing it right.
No; we did quite some chemistry-tricks in school; you get a list of stuff you need, and then you can verify the results. Same goes for Newtons laws; go measure and verify. Everyone can verify it; if it needed belief, it would not be science, but yet another religion.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
You assume. :laugh: :laugh: And you trust/have faith/believe/whatever you want to call it that they are doing it right.
No; we did quite some chemistry-tricks in school; you get a list of stuff you need, and then you can verify the results. Same goes for Newtons laws; go measure and verify. Everyone can verify it; if it needed belief, it would not be science, but yet another religion.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Everyone can verify it
You keep repeating that as if I have disagreed. I have not disagreed. I have simply pointed out that YOU have not verified everything that YOU believe from science, which means you are "taking their word for it." Somehow my point is not getting across. :sigh:
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Everyone can verify it
You keep repeating that as if I have disagreed. I have not disagreed. I have simply pointed out that YOU have not verified everything that YOU believe from science, which means you are "taking their word for it." Somehow my point is not getting across. :sigh:
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ZurdoDev wrote:
I have simply pointed out that YOU have not verified everything that YOU believe from science, which means you are "taking their word for it."
I have explained several times how that observation is nonsense. The scientific method is a self-correcting one, validated and verified independently. It has been so since Ibn Alhazen. It is NOT belief in science. It does not require belief. In fact, one is encouraged to doubt everything.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
I have simply pointed out that YOU have not verified everything that YOU believe from science, which means you are "taking their word for it."
I have explained several times how that observation is nonsense. The scientific method is a self-correcting one, validated and verified independently. It has been so since Ibn Alhazen. It is NOT belief in science. It does not require belief. In fact, one is encouraged to doubt everything.
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Ya, you're still not getting it.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
It does not require belief.
I agree. Truth is truth regardless of belief. We'll try this from a different angle. Do you believe in the theory of evolution? Or in gravity?
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Ya, you're still not getting it.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
It does not require belief.
I agree. Truth is truth regardless of belief. We'll try this from a different angle. Do you believe in the theory of evolution? Or in gravity?
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Do you believe in the theory of evolution? Or in gravity?
I don't need to. The "theory" of evolution is also not a theoretical thing; it is considered a "theory and a fact". We are drowning in evidence of evolution. Gravity is something you can test for yourself. Go stand near a black hole :)
ZurdoDev wrote:
I agree. Truth is truth regardless of belief.
That's why scientist have to use tools to measure, and why their claims are tested by others using other unbiased tools. The machines dont lie.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Do you believe in the theory of evolution? Or in gravity?
I don't need to. The "theory" of evolution is also not a theoretical thing; it is considered a "theory and a fact". We are drowning in evidence of evolution. Gravity is something you can test for yourself. Go stand near a black hole :)
ZurdoDev wrote:
I agree. Truth is truth regardless of belief.
That's why scientist have to use tools to measure, and why their claims are tested by others using other unbiased tools. The machines dont lie.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I don't need to.
OK. :rolleyes: Dodge the question.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I don't need to.
OK. :rolleyes: Dodge the question.
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I answered it, but you're too busy convinving yourself that you forgot to read the arguments. The theory of evolution is not a "belief". The fairy-tales without any evidence are. It's that simple :thumbsup:
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I answered it, but you're too busy convinving yourself that you forgot to read the arguments. The theory of evolution is not a "belief". The fairy-tales without any evidence are. It's that simple :thumbsup:
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I asked if you believe in the theory of evolution and your "answer" was "I don't need to." That is NOT an answer. There were only 2 possible answers and "I don't need to", is not one of them. :doh: When your wife asks, "do you believe we should do something to help out the kids?", your answer is "I don't need to." :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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