The Concept of the human Soul is a religious concept, which has no basis in fact, and does not exist
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Everyone can verify it
You keep repeating that as if I have disagreed. I have not disagreed. I have simply pointed out that YOU have not verified everything that YOU believe from science, which means you are "taking their word for it." Somehow my point is not getting across. :sigh:
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ZurdoDev wrote:
I have simply pointed out that YOU have not verified everything that YOU believe from science, which means you are "taking their word for it."
I have explained several times how that observation is nonsense. The scientific method is a self-correcting one, validated and verified independently. It has been so since Ibn Alhazen. It is NOT belief in science. It does not require belief. In fact, one is encouraged to doubt everything.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
I have simply pointed out that YOU have not verified everything that YOU believe from science, which means you are "taking their word for it."
I have explained several times how that observation is nonsense. The scientific method is a self-correcting one, validated and verified independently. It has been so since Ibn Alhazen. It is NOT belief in science. It does not require belief. In fact, one is encouraged to doubt everything.
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Ya, you're still not getting it.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
It does not require belief.
I agree. Truth is truth regardless of belief. We'll try this from a different angle. Do you believe in the theory of evolution? Or in gravity?
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Ya, you're still not getting it.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
It does not require belief.
I agree. Truth is truth regardless of belief. We'll try this from a different angle. Do you believe in the theory of evolution? Or in gravity?
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Do you believe in the theory of evolution? Or in gravity?
I don't need to. The "theory" of evolution is also not a theoretical thing; it is considered a "theory and a fact". We are drowning in evidence of evolution. Gravity is something you can test for yourself. Go stand near a black hole :)
ZurdoDev wrote:
I agree. Truth is truth regardless of belief.
That's why scientist have to use tools to measure, and why their claims are tested by others using other unbiased tools. The machines dont lie.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Do you believe in the theory of evolution? Or in gravity?
I don't need to. The "theory" of evolution is also not a theoretical thing; it is considered a "theory and a fact". We are drowning in evidence of evolution. Gravity is something you can test for yourself. Go stand near a black hole :)
ZurdoDev wrote:
I agree. Truth is truth regardless of belief.
That's why scientist have to use tools to measure, and why their claims are tested by others using other unbiased tools. The machines dont lie.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I don't need to.
OK. :rolleyes: Dodge the question.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I don't need to.
OK. :rolleyes: Dodge the question.
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I answered it, but you're too busy convinving yourself that you forgot to read the arguments. The theory of evolution is not a "belief". The fairy-tales without any evidence are. It's that simple :thumbsup:
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I answered it, but you're too busy convinving yourself that you forgot to read the arguments. The theory of evolution is not a "belief". The fairy-tales without any evidence are. It's that simple :thumbsup:
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I asked if you believe in the theory of evolution and your "answer" was "I don't need to." That is NOT an answer. There were only 2 possible answers and "I don't need to", is not one of them. :doh: When your wife asks, "do you believe we should do something to help out the kids?", your answer is "I don't need to." :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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I asked if you believe in the theory of evolution and your "answer" was "I don't need to." That is NOT an answer. There were only 2 possible answers and "I don't need to", is not one of them. :doh: When your wife asks, "do you believe we should do something to help out the kids?", your answer is "I don't need to." :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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ZurdoDev wrote:
I asked if you believe in the theory of evolution and your "answer" was "I don't need to." That is NOT an answer. There were only 2 possible answers and "I don't need to", is not one of them.
It is, even if you don't like it. I do not believe anyone, and have no need to.
ZurdoDev wrote:
When your wife asks, "do you believe we should do something to help out the kids?", your answer is "I don't need to." :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Precisely, 'cause I damned sure I don't have any kids. The idea that only y/n is valid is again nonsense, and you're abusing that notion to imply that one either believes in the theory or not. That's bullshit; evolution is fact, regardless of your belief :thumbsup:
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ZurdoDev wrote:
I asked if you believe in the theory of evolution and your "answer" was "I don't need to." That is NOT an answer. There were only 2 possible answers and "I don't need to", is not one of them.
It is, even if you don't like it. I do not believe anyone, and have no need to.
ZurdoDev wrote:
When your wife asks, "do you believe we should do something to help out the kids?", your answer is "I don't need to." :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Precisely, 'cause I damned sure I don't have any kids. The idea that only y/n is valid is again nonsense, and you're abusing that notion to imply that one either believes in the theory or not. That's bullshit; evolution is fact, regardless of your belief :thumbsup:
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I do not believe anyone,
I never asked if you believed a person. :doh: Geez, you can't seem to follow anything.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I damned sure I don't have any kids.
Thank goodness. The fact that you can't pass on this crazy notion of "I don't believe anything" is good for the rest of society.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
evolution is fact
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Falsify this: [Many-worlds interpretation - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds\_interpretation) (I have ten other fundamental theories after you finish with this one) :)
Not a quantum physicist, so I'll let them take point on that.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
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Not a quantum physicist, so I'll let them take point on that.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
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Nathan Minier wrote:
faith and science
Ironically, you have faith in science. :-D Faith is believing in something that can't be seen. You believe what science teaches you without actually verifying the results yourself, which means you are taking their word for it on faith. We ALL use faith every day in all that we do. It's not a bad thing nor just a religious thing.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Faith is believing in something that can't be seen. You believe what science teaches you without actually verifying the results yourself, which means you are taking their word for it on faith.
So...science is a "their"? No, I am guilty of having faith in scientists, which is a fundamentally different thing. As a discipline, science is not predicated on faith.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
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I'm of course not religious. Just want to point out that science doesn't have all the answers at the moment. Our confidence in it is a bit exaggerated.
Claiming to have all the answers, "Knowing", is an article of faith. Didn't I already say that?
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
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I'm of course not religious. Just want to point out that science doesn't have all the answers at the moment. Our confidence in it is a bit exaggerated.
Urban Cricket wrote:
science doesn't have all the answers at the moment
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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I'm of course not religious. Just want to point out that science doesn't have all the answers at the moment. Our confidence in it is a bit exaggerated.
Urban Cricket wrote:
science doesn't have all the answers at the moment
The purpose of the scientific method is not to have all the answers but merely to prove or disprove a hypothesis. Because of this science can only be performed on a hypothesis which is able to be disproved which is why science does not explore the question of the 'soul', that question is really is more the realm of philosophy.
Urban Cricket wrote:
Out confidence in it is a bit exaggerated
I agree because many people and particularly many politicians really do not understand the scientific method. In particular, the area of probability which is not intuitive and vital to science is really difficult to grasp for many people.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Claiming to have all the answers, "Knowing", is an article of faith. Didn't I already say that?
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
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No, but you claimed that science is falsifiable. Our most fundamental theories are not. String theory is another gem. That is why you will see Nobel prize winners to claim that they believe in one theory or another.
Anything that is scientifically approached is falsifiable provided new information. I don't care how fundamental it is, nor does science. Any "scientific theory" that is not falsifiable in the face of new information is simply not a scientific theory. In the case of quantum physics, they're often predicated on mathematical constructs that fit the circumstances. Again, not a quantum physicist so I can't say which ones that is the case with, but that's also why I don't wander around full of certainty about parallel realities where differences are measured in the spin and strangeness of quarks. Any scientist that "believes" a scientific theory is either using shorthand to say that it has not yet been falsified, or has the same basic disconnect between fact and belief that so many people in this community are demonstrating.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
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Anything that is scientifically approached is falsifiable provided new information. I don't care how fundamental it is, nor does science. Any "scientific theory" that is not falsifiable in the face of new information is simply not a scientific theory. In the case of quantum physics, they're often predicated on mathematical constructs that fit the circumstances. Again, not a quantum physicist so I can't say which ones that is the case with, but that's also why I don't wander around full of certainty about parallel realities where differences are measured in the spin and strangeness of quarks. Any scientist that "believes" a scientific theory is either using shorthand to say that it has not yet been falsified, or has the same basic disconnect between fact and belief that so many people in this community are demonstrating.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
there is a brilliant summary of the current state of affairs in fundamental science: [Shut up and calculate](https://www.queensu.ca/connect/grad/files/2015/02/Dibujo20140531-david-mermin-shut-up-and-calculate.png) The problem is that we may never be able to obtain the necessary experimental information to prove one way or another the current theories. The infinite parallel realities are just a hint of the desperation for some interpretation that doesn't contradict itself.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Faith is believing in something that can't be seen. You believe what science teaches you without actually verifying the results yourself, which means you are taking their word for it on faith.
So...science is a "their"? No, I am guilty of having faith in scientists, which is a fundamentally different thing. As a discipline, science is not predicated on faith.
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Nathan Minier wrote:
I am guilty of having faith in scientists,
Exactly.
Nathan Minier wrote:
science is not predicated on faith.
Exactly
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
It is true that over the human history the main explanations of the origin of the 'soul' came from religions and other philosophical materials, but it is still true that we have a - rather complex - part of our existence we do not understand...
There's no need to make up a story to fill the gaps. After dissecting, we never found a soul. When studying bacteria, we did not find a soul. It has as much chance at existing in your body as a nuclear fission-reactor existing in your body, and equal the amount of proof.
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Come on! What have you read?! Try and read my comment this time...
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I do not believe anyone,
I never asked if you believed a person. :doh: Geez, you can't seem to follow anything.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I damned sure I don't have any kids.
Thank goodness. The fact that you can't pass on this crazy notion of "I don't believe anything" is good for the rest of society.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
evolution is fact
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ZurdoDev wrote:
I never asked if you believed a person. :doh: Geez, you can't seem to follow anything.
Anyone also includes groups. So again, a non-victory.
ZurdoDev wrote:
:laugh:
You, my dear friend, are being ignorant.
Many scientists and philosophers of science have described evolution as fact and theory, a phrase which was used as the title of an article by paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould in 1981. He describes fact in science as meaning data, not absolute certainty but "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent". A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of such facts. The facts of evolution come from observational evidence of current processes, from imperfections in organisms recording historical common descent, and from transitions in the fossil record. Theories of evolution provide a provisional explanation for these facts.[1]
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