Microsoft gives up: beat by lone dev
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Yesterday I went looking for the old .NET SmtpClient class (allows you to send email messages) and landed on the official docs that warn that the class is obsolete. SmtpClient Class (System.Net.Mail) | Microsoft Docs[^] :wtf: Here's the top of the doc:
[System.Obsolete("SmtpClient and its network of types are poorly designed, we strongly recommend you use https://github.com/jstedfast/MailKit and https://github.com/jstedfast/MimeKit instead")]
public class SmtpClient : IDisposableI found this at stackoverflow: c# - Is System.Net.Mail.SmtpClient obsolete in 4.7? - Stack Overflow[^] It really went back and forth in the comments and answers : posters saying it is and isn't and it's a doc error and not a doc error and why is it in .NET Core 2.2 then? But there was an answer that said, "Microsoft says to use MailKit now..." Here's the github : GitHub - jstedfast/MailKit: A cross-platform .NET library for IMAP, POP3, and SMTP.[^] Maybe someone should re-write the System.IO libraries. ;P Pretty soon you wn't even download WinXYZ, you'll just pull a nuget library. :laugh:
microsoft responded:
We weren't beaten by a single dev. He's married.
What's most worrying is that the microsoft's new-wave addle-brained idjits would probably see that as an appropriate response.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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microsoft responded:
We weren't beaten by a single dev. He's married.
What's most worrying is that the microsoft's new-wave addle-brained idjits would probably see that as an appropriate response.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Yesterday I went looking for the old .NET SmtpClient class (allows you to send email messages) and landed on the official docs that warn that the class is obsolete. SmtpClient Class (System.Net.Mail) | Microsoft Docs[^] :wtf: Here's the top of the doc:
[System.Obsolete("SmtpClient and its network of types are poorly designed, we strongly recommend you use https://github.com/jstedfast/MailKit and https://github.com/jstedfast/MimeKit instead")]
public class SmtpClient : IDisposableI found this at stackoverflow: c# - Is System.Net.Mail.SmtpClient obsolete in 4.7? - Stack Overflow[^] It really went back and forth in the comments and answers : posters saying it is and isn't and it's a doc error and not a doc error and why is it in .NET Core 2.2 then? But there was an answer that said, "Microsoft says to use MailKit now..." Here's the github : GitHub - jstedfast/MailKit: A cross-platform .NET library for IMAP, POP3, and SMTP.[^] Maybe someone should re-write the System.IO libraries. ;P Pretty soon you wn't even download WinXYZ, you'll just pull a nuget library. :laugh:
raddevus wrote:
I'm going to re-write the System.IO libraries tonight
Be sure to add
IReader,IWRiter, andIReaderAndWriter. I'm working onSystem.Diagnostics.Process. Anyone want to fixSystem.Console? -
raddevus wrote:
I'm going to re-write the System.IO libraries tonight
Be sure to add
IReader,IWRiter, andIReaderAndWriter. I'm working onSystem.Diagnostics.Process. Anyone want to fixSystem.Console?And this Reader to Writer - McGuinness Flint - YouTube[^]
We won't sit down. We won't shut up. We won't go quietly away. YouTube, VidMe and My Mu[sic], Films and Windows Programs, etc. and FB
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Yesterday I went looking for the old .NET SmtpClient class (allows you to send email messages) and landed on the official docs that warn that the class is obsolete. SmtpClient Class (System.Net.Mail) | Microsoft Docs[^] :wtf: Here's the top of the doc:
[System.Obsolete("SmtpClient and its network of types are poorly designed, we strongly recommend you use https://github.com/jstedfast/MailKit and https://github.com/jstedfast/MimeKit instead")]
public class SmtpClient : IDisposableI found this at stackoverflow: c# - Is System.Net.Mail.SmtpClient obsolete in 4.7? - Stack Overflow[^] It really went back and forth in the comments and answers : posters saying it is and isn't and it's a doc error and not a doc error and why is it in .NET Core 2.2 then? But there was an answer that said, "Microsoft says to use MailKit now..." Here's the github : GitHub - jstedfast/MailKit: A cross-platform .NET library for IMAP, POP3, and SMTP.[^] Maybe someone should re-write the System.IO libraries. ;P Pretty soon you wn't even download WinXYZ, you'll just pull a nuget library. :laugh:
I had to upgrade to use Mailkit, SmtpClient doesn't support TLS1.2, so all of a sudden you can't send emails when your service provider decides to take security seriously.
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raddevus wrote:
I'm going to re-write the System.IO libraries tonight
Be sure to add
IReader,IWRiter, andIReaderAndWriter. I'm working onSystem.Diagnostics.Process. Anyone want to fixSystem.Console?PIEBALDconsult wrote:
Anyone want to fix
System.Console?Miguel de Icaza is way ahead of you: GitHub - migueldeicaza/gui.cs: Console-based user interface toolkit for .NET applications.[^] There's also this .NET Foundation project, but it's still in alpha: GitHub - dotnet/command-line-api: System.CommandLine: Command line parsing, invocation, and rendering of terminal output.[^]
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Yesterday I went looking for the old .NET SmtpClient class (allows you to send email messages) and landed on the official docs that warn that the class is obsolete. SmtpClient Class (System.Net.Mail) | Microsoft Docs[^] :wtf: Here's the top of the doc:
[System.Obsolete("SmtpClient and its network of types are poorly designed, we strongly recommend you use https://github.com/jstedfast/MailKit and https://github.com/jstedfast/MimeKit instead")]
public class SmtpClient : IDisposableI found this at stackoverflow: c# - Is System.Net.Mail.SmtpClient obsolete in 4.7? - Stack Overflow[^] It really went back and forth in the comments and answers : posters saying it is and isn't and it's a doc error and not a doc error and why is it in .NET Core 2.2 then? But there was an answer that said, "Microsoft says to use MailKit now..." Here's the github : GitHub - jstedfast/MailKit: A cross-platform .NET library for IMAP, POP3, and SMTP.[^] Maybe someone should re-write the System.IO libraries. ;P Pretty soon you wn't even download WinXYZ, you'll just pull a nuget library. :laugh:
Of course only time can show "usefullness" of the class and it's normal when you find "obsolete" of design which was done 10 years ago. BUT... why MS itself not fixing anything?? WHAT they are busy that they cannot rewrite one of most important classes? (be sure, mail notifications used everywhere!) MS can just make show how cool they are, "hard working", "hiring the best" and other BS. But reality shows they hire 10 indians for $100/month and do WORST code in the world. How long MS suppose to roll down??
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
Anyone want to fix
System.Console?Miguel de Icaza is way ahead of you: GitHub - migueldeicaza/gui.cs: Console-based user interface toolkit for .NET applications.[^] There's also this .NET Foundation project, but it's still in alpha: GitHub - dotnet/command-line-api: System.CommandLine: Command line parsing, invocation, and rendering of terminal output.[^]
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Also stuff such as the good old NCurses ... but for DotNet: [GitHub - MV10/dotnet-curses: Portable cross-platform .NET Standard wrapper for the Unix ncurses library](https://github.com/MV10/dotnet-curses)
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Of course only time can show "usefullness" of the class and it's normal when you find "obsolete" of design which was done 10 years ago. BUT... why MS itself not fixing anything?? WHAT they are busy that they cannot rewrite one of most important classes? (be sure, mail notifications used everywhere!) MS can just make show how cool they are, "hard working", "hiring the best" and other BS. But reality shows they hire 10 indians for $100/month and do WORST code in the world. How long MS suppose to roll down??
Thornik wrote:
WHAT they are busy that they cannot rewrite one of most important classes
Writing the next version of Metro/WinRT/UWP that nobody will use...
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Thornik wrote:
WHAT they are busy that they cannot rewrite one of most important classes
Writing the next version of Metro/WinRT/UWP that nobody will use...
hehe :) Yep! Well, they have not bad ideas in these products, but MS cannot follow idea where it suits - they always go to extreme case and... lose. I wish I have UWP, but not under Windows-Spy-10. And separate OS for mobile world also could be nice. Seems programmers give ideas to the top management, but tops are so stupid that bloat any idea till marasmus level.
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I had to upgrade to use Mailkit, SmtpClient doesn't support TLS1.2, so all of a sudden you can't send emails when your service provider decides to take security seriously.
You can set this somewhere to use TLS 1.2 with SmtpClient (works for me):
System.Net.ServicePointManager.SecurityProtocol = System.Net.SecurityProtocolType.Tls12;
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raddevus wrote:
I'm going to re-write the System.IO libraries tonight
Be sure to add
IReader,IWRiter, andIReaderAndWriter. I'm working onSystem.Diagnostics.Process. Anyone want to fixSystem.Console?
