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  • D Dean Roddey

    The VSC one that keeps getting me, it's 50% really useful and 50% utterly annoying, is that when you close a file and it moves to another tab, it also moves back to that file in the explorer. Sometimes that's very convenient, and other times it's a PITA because you closed that file in order to open another one right there at the same spot. And I guess another that is in the same 50/50% category is the single vs. double click open. It can be really convenient if you are just going through a bunch of files one at a time. But inevitably I get myself to some place I need to be, and then go to open another file and forget I only single clicked the first one and it gets closed. But, on the whole, I've started getting used to it for my C++ work.

    Explorans limites defectum

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    Marc Clifton
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    Dean Roddey wrote:

    it's 50% really useful and 50% utterly annoying

    That perfectly summarizes my experience with it.

    Latest Article - Web Frameworks - A Solution Looking for a Problem? Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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    • B Brady Kelly

      Paying for VS gives you a version that does very little more than the free Community edition.

      "'Do what thou wilt...' is to bid Stars to shine, Vines to bear grapes, Water to seek its level; man is the only being in Nature that has striven to set himself at odds with himself." —Aleister Crowley

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      Marc Clifton
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      Brady Kelly wrote:

      Paying for VS gives you a version that does very little more than the free Community edition.

      Good point.

      Latest Article - Web Frameworks - A Solution Looking for a Problem? Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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      • J Jacquers

        Why not just use ctrl-s to save the file?

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        Marc Clifton
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        Jacquers wrote:

        Why not just use ctrl-s to save the file?

        :doh: Finger retraining commences. :-D

        Latest Article - Web Frameworks - A Solution Looking for a Problem? Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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        • M Marc Clifton

          Jacquers wrote:

          Why not just use ctrl-s to save the file?

          :doh: Finger retraining commences. :-D

          Latest Article - Web Frameworks - A Solution Looking for a Problem? Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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          Jacquers
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          :) btw, I couldn't replicate the alt-f s scenario, it opens the file menu, saves the file and doesn't lose focus from the editor.

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          • H hakimio

            Try JetBrains Rider. It's much better than Visual Studio.

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            hakimio wrote:

            ry JetBrains Rider.

            I like JetBrains Rider. But it's a rather overkill to edit Javascript files in an Angular app.

            Latest Article - Web Frameworks - A Solution Looking for a Problem? Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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              Marc Clifton wrote:

              You obviously get deserve what you pay for

              FTFY I used Sharp Develop until now and was very happy with it. Now that it is dead, I will sooner forget that I ever heard of .Net than to crawl back to Mickeysoft. C++ is better for what I like to do anyway.

              I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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              Marc Clifton
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              CodeWraith wrote:

              I will sooner forget that I ever heard of .Net .... C++ is better for what I like to do anyway.

              Heh, I have the reverse reaction. :) At this point, I'd rather work in Python than touch C++!

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              • L Lost User

                I quite like VSCode; but I absolutely love emacs. ;P

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                Marc Clifton
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                Richard MacCutchan wrote:

                but I absolutely love emacs.

                Masochist! :-D

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                • M Marc Clifton

                  hakimio wrote:

                  ry JetBrains Rider.

                  I like JetBrains Rider. But it's a rather overkill to edit Javascript files in an Angular app.

                  Latest Article - Web Frameworks - A Solution Looking for a Problem? Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                  englebart
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                  For JavaScript, use the Google Chrome source debugger tab with a workspace mapping. Pause your javascript at a breakpoint and start editing! You will get "live intellisense" on all of your referenced objects based on their current state.

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                  • D darktrick544

                    VC++ 6.0 ruined everything for me. I still use VS2008 just because of the editor. I really miss BRIEF...

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                    Brief by UnderWare, Inc. I wrote my own "intellisense" modules in their LISP-like macro language to load the C language structures for our database out of the header files into a popup menu. Hot key, pick the table, pick the column, hit enter to insert into the editor. Also, I loved the fact that you could load files larger than physical memory within a blink of an eye. You had to go to lunch when you were ready to "make" your project which was only 150 .c files. (45 minutes to build on a 12Mhz i286) Now I have a machine that will build 30,000 much larger source files in 4 minutes!

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                    • M Marc Clifton

                      hakimio wrote:

                      ry JetBrains Rider.

                      I like JetBrains Rider. But it's a rather overkill to edit Javascript files in an Angular app.

                      Latest Article - Web Frameworks - A Solution Looking for a Problem? Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                      hakimio
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                      Well, it also has much better support for TypeScript and Angular than Visual Studio Code. For minor typo fixes Notepad++ might be fine, but if you need any real work done you should always fire-up full fledged IDE like Rider or Visual Studio.

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                      • M Marc Clifton

                        I'm referring to Sublime and Visual Studio Code. VSCode: look, when I Alt-F-S to save the file, put the cursor back on the document. I do not want to have to click on the document. VSCode: Page up and down should move the document up and down a full screen page. Don't just move the cursor first to the top or bottom of the page. VSCode: Shift up/down arrows. For f***cks sake, if I scroll past where the cursor is, so the cursor goes "off screen", move the cursor to top or bottom of the screen. Otherwise, shift up/down followed by up/down takes me back to wherever the cursor was when it scrolled off the screen. Sublime: Your bookmarks suck. Sublime: WTF happened to performance? All of a sudden everything is dog slow, which is why I switched to that POC VSCode. VSCode: Learn some lessons on how to do global search from Sublime. I think I'm just going to use VS 2017. You obviously get what you pay for.

                        Latest Article - Web Frameworks - A Solution Looking for a Problem? Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                        Thornik
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                        Just relax and install Notepad++ :)

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                        • D darktrick544

                          VC++ 6.0 ruined everything for me. I still use VS2008 just because of the editor. I really miss BRIEF...

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                          MarkTJohnson
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                          darktrick544 wrote:

                          I really miss BRIEF...

                          Amen. Loved the macro language. jEdit is sort of similar and does have an extensive macro capability.

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                          • M Marc Clifton

                            I'm referring to Sublime and Visual Studio Code. VSCode: look, when I Alt-F-S to save the file, put the cursor back on the document. I do not want to have to click on the document. VSCode: Page up and down should move the document up and down a full screen page. Don't just move the cursor first to the top or bottom of the page. VSCode: Shift up/down arrows. For f***cks sake, if I scroll past where the cursor is, so the cursor goes "off screen", move the cursor to top or bottom of the screen. Otherwise, shift up/down followed by up/down takes me back to wherever the cursor was when it scrolled off the screen. Sublime: Your bookmarks suck. Sublime: WTF happened to performance? All of a sudden everything is dog slow, which is why I switched to that POC VSCode. VSCode: Learn some lessons on how to do global search from Sublime. I think I'm just going to use VS 2017. You obviously get what you pay for.

                            Latest Article - Web Frameworks - A Solution Looking for a Problem? Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                            Asday
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                            This sort of nonsense is why I moved to Atom... Up until... You know. [This sort of nonsense](https://github.com/atom/atom/issues/15323).

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                              This sort of nonsense is why I moved to Atom... Up until... You know. [This sort of nonsense](https://github.com/atom/atom/issues/15323).

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                              Marc Clifton
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                              Asday wrote:

                              Up until... You know. This sort of nonsense.

                              These editors should not be written in Javascript. :sigh:

                              Latest Article - Web Frameworks - A Solution Looking for a Problem? Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                                I'm referring to Sublime and Visual Studio Code. VSCode: look, when I Alt-F-S to save the file, put the cursor back on the document. I do not want to have to click on the document. VSCode: Page up and down should move the document up and down a full screen page. Don't just move the cursor first to the top or bottom of the page. VSCode: Shift up/down arrows. For f***cks sake, if I scroll past where the cursor is, so the cursor goes "off screen", move the cursor to top or bottom of the screen. Otherwise, shift up/down followed by up/down takes me back to wherever the cursor was when it scrolled off the screen. Sublime: Your bookmarks suck. Sublime: WTF happened to performance? All of a sudden everything is dog slow, which is why I switched to that POC VSCode. VSCode: Learn some lessons on how to do global search from Sublime. I think I'm just going to use VS 2017. You obviously get what you pay for.

                                Latest Article - Web Frameworks - A Solution Looking for a Problem? Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                                Davie21240
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                                hate using the mouse, my arm gets repetitive motion injuries :cool: :java:

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                                  This sort of nonsense is why I moved to Atom... Up until... You know. [This sort of nonsense](https://github.com/atom/atom/issues/15323).

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                                  My son likes using Atom. Nice.

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                                  • M Marc Clifton

                                    Asday wrote:

                                    Up until... You know. This sort of nonsense.

                                    These editors should not be written in Javascript. :sigh:

                                    Latest Article - Web Frameworks - A Solution Looking for a Problem? Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                                    Asday
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                                    Right!? What's a good way to display frequent font colour changes and indentation? Aah I know! Thousands of ``s! NO. NO. Do _NOT_ do that.

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                                    • L Lost User

                                      I quite like VSCode; but I absolutely love emacs. ;P

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                                      ajhampson
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                                      :thumbsup: I was just thinking, use emacs! :laugh:

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                                      • J Jacquers

                                        Why not just use ctrl-s to save the file?

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                                        sasadler
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                                        Heh to me, ctrl-s is move cursor left one character position. I'm an old fart who used WordStar in the CP/M days and I really like the WordStar cursor control movements. Basically, all my editors and IDE's (even Microsoft Word or Libre Office) use WordStar control sequences (or appear to!). I have an AutoHotKey script that changes my WordStar control sequences into the appropriate keystrokes for particular editor/IDE I'm using at the time. I also use and old ZiffDavis utility (TradeKeys) to make the Cap Locks into the control key. Before I retired, it was quite funny watching an IT guys trying to use notepad when they had to mess with my machine. :)

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                                        • L loctrice

                                          Javascript is my favorite language. I don't think I've actually programmed c# for 4+ years now. I've done some debugging and a couple of fixes deployed but that's about it. I used to program c# for a living, and I liked it just fine. I prefer typescript to c# now though.

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                                          TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                          ah, so you're really programming in C# then... without .net

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