Exit to Brexit
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
since they will be people who voted remain in the first place.
That's a rather huge assumption, isn't it? I know far more people who voted leave who now wish to remain than people who voted remain and now think we should leave. After 3 years of farce, the majority is now in the remain camp and that should not be ignored. Democracy ceases to be democracy when it tethers itself to a set point in time. You might as well say that we should have a Liberal government because lots of people voted for Mr. Asquith.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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PeejayAdams wrote:
the majority is now in the remain camp
PeejayAdams wrote:
That's a rather huge assumption, isn't it?
Touché.
My "assumption" is made on the basis of opinion polls, which repeatedly show a majority for remain. Your assumption that everybody who has signed the petition voted remain is demonstrably incorrect as I know people who voted leave and have signed the petition.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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My "assumption" is made on the basis of opinion polls, which repeatedly show a majority for remain. Your assumption that everybody who has signed the petition voted remain is demonstrably incorrect as I know people who voted leave and have signed the petition.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
PeejayAdams wrote:
opinion polls
We all know how accurate those are at showing the reality of any situation: Trump will never win! The UK will never vote for Brexit!
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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My "assumption" is made on the basis of opinion polls, which repeatedly show a majority for remain. Your assumption that everybody who has signed the petition voted remain is demonstrably incorrect as I know people who voted leave and have signed the petition.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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[No they don't.](https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-on-britains-membership-of-the-eu-how-would-you-vote-2/)
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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PeejayAdams wrote:
opinion polls
We all know how accurate those are at showing the reality of any situation: Trump will never win! The UK will never vote for Brexit!
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
Part of the problem with polls is that they actually skew results in the opposite direction. In a situation where the polls seem to indicate that a result is inevitable, people who would otherwise vote don't bother.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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[No they don't.](https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-on-britains-membership-of-the-eu-how-would-you-vote-2/)
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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Well, there's an easy way to find out - let's vote again.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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Well, there's an easy way to find out - let's vote again.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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Oh yes, what a great idea. And if some of us don't like that result then let's vote again, and again ... :rolleyes:
Double plus ungood attitude citizen MacCutchcan!
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Oh yes, what a great idea. And if some of us don't like that result then let's vote again, and again ... :rolleyes:
Assuming again, are we? I'm advocating a single definitive vote now that we actually know the facts. Why are you so scared of that, I wonder?
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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Assuming again, are we? I'm advocating a single definitive vote now that we actually know the facts. Why are you so scared of that, I wonder?
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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We had plenty of general elections in the 19th century, why don't those results still stand?
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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We had plenty of general elections in the 19th century, why don't those results still stand?
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
PeejayAdams wrote:
We had plenty of general elections in the 19th century, why don't those results still stand?
1. The incumbents are all dead (this might not be a problem in some constituencies. :) ) 2. They were elected for a finite term, which is long over Any more questions? :rolleyes:
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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Double plus ungood attitude citizen MacCutchcan!
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
proles nonvoting rectify
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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Bram van Kampen wrote:
An unprecedented 5.2 million votes on the House of commons website
Which means absolutely nothing, since they will be people who voted remain in the first place. When will people get that the referendum is done, and move on?
Absolutely correct. I heard (Macron) say the British people were ill informed about what Brexit would do. Well, the anti-Brexit group certainly had their time to make their points. Less than half the country agreed with them. Now - the losers want a do-over. That's one hell of a precedent to set. The EU made Brexit as difficult as possible - with the aim of inducing psychological exhaustion. Clearly, with some success. And set an example to use to discourage others. "We demand a People's Vote" - is quite nauseating. WTF did they have the first time?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Well, The End is in sight! An unprecedented 5.2 million votes on the House of commons website to cancel article 50! That cannot be ignored. There will be celebrations on the streets of Ireland, North and South when Brexit is abandoned, which seems now inevitable. I have never met any person here who was in favour of Brexit in the first place. (Even Most of the DUP supporters are against Brexit). If it results in riots on the streets in England, so be it! Let them cut each others throats if that pleases them. Northern Ireland Schotland, The Netherlands, and, the Republic of Ireland will celebrate abundantly! As for that original referendum: An act of eternal stupidity, which should be totally ignored.
Bram van Kampen
How the desperate clutch at straws... 5.4 million? Pah! 17.4 signed the other one. :) The Brexit genie is out o the bottle, there is no putting it back now.
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We're not out of the woods, yet and there is still a very real danger that we could bomb out without a deal. Even if if we do come to our senses and pull back from the brink by revoking Article 50 or at least giving the people another vote, a lot of damage has already been done
- UK GDP is about 1,900 billion. Hard Brexit is predicted to, at worst, cost perhaps 2% of GDP (Charney, head of BoE) 2% of 1,900 billion is... 38 billion. Mays deal is immediately as bad as the worst case scenario Brexit. Mervyn King, ex head of the BoE, said there will be some adjustment, but no real disruption. No recession, so Mays deal is worse than a hard Brexit according to him. 2) The EU is not a democratic machine. The EU parliament can not make law, only the Commission can. 3) The next 7 year EU budgetary period, due to start soon, sees UK contributions rising to 17 billion a year. 4) Food went up 15% when we joined the EEC. It will fall 15% when we leave. 5) Sterling is already 15%-20% cheaper than 2016, so even with WTO tariffs on our products they are still cheaper on the continent than they were three years ago. So no loss of exports to the EU. Why do you not support democracy? Why do you not support saving money? What are you scared of? We will be perfectly OK outside the EU, and actually better off.
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I hope you're right about abandoning the whole process but the sainted Theresa seems impervious to all and everything thrown at her. The people have spoken - aarghh if I hear that one more time.
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
- UK GDP is about 1,900 billion. Hard Brexit is predicted to, at worst, cost perhaps 2% of GDP (BoE) 2% of 1,900 billion is... 38 billion. Mays deal is immediately as bad as the worst case scenario Brexit. Mervyn King, es head of the BoE, said there will be some adjustment, but no real disruption. 2) The EU is not a democratic machine. The EU parliament can not make law, only the Commission can. 3) The next 7 year EU budget, due to start soon, sees UK contributions rising to 17 billion a year. 4) Food went up 15% when we joined the EEC. It will fall 15% when we leave. 5) Sterling is already 15%-20% cheaper than 2016, so even with WTO tariffs on our products they are still cheaper on the continent than they were three years ago. Why do you not support democracy? Why do you not support saving money? What are you scared of? We will be perfectly OK outside the EU, and actually better off.
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Assuming again, are we? I'm advocating a single definitive vote now that we actually know the facts. Why are you so scared of that, I wonder?
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
PeejayAdams wrote:
now that we actually know the facts
We know more than we did previously. How about in a few weeks time when we know even more and what we know then may contradict what we know now? What is the definition of "knowing all the facts"? and who gets to make that definition? or should we have a vote on the definition?
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
