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    honey the codewitch
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    Halp! I've become a slave to naming and style guidelines. Years of C++ development and years of development prior to advanced compilers and syntax highlighting and intellisense and doc-comments and all of that made me a fascist about it. To the point where I judge people for not following, say, MS naming and style guidelines for .NET when building C# apps. To the point where I usually kick myself for not putting constants before vars in equality comparisons if(0==foo), etc. I already smoke pot (it's legal here) so how do I loosen up? Y'all don't need my judgment. Nor do any fellow devs. And I need to be able to use other people's code without feeling a little sick about it, or wanting to refactor it before I touch it. I'm half serious about this post.

    When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.

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      Halp! I've become a slave to naming and style guidelines. Years of C++ development and years of development prior to advanced compilers and syntax highlighting and intellisense and doc-comments and all of that made me a fascist about it. To the point where I judge people for not following, say, MS naming and style guidelines for .NET when building C# apps. To the point where I usually kick myself for not putting constants before vars in equality comparisons if(0==foo), etc. I already smoke pot (it's legal here) so how do I loosen up? Y'all don't need my judgment. Nor do any fellow devs. And I need to be able to use other people's code without feeling a little sick about it, or wanting to refactor it before I touch it. I'm half serious about this post.

      When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.

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      your style sucks, so does mine, oh and that bloke over there: his style sucks too. each to their own. If style is an issue you've got a lot more growing up to do.

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        your style sucks, so does mine, oh and that bloke over there: his style sucks too. each to their own. If style is an issue you've got a lot more growing up to do.

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        honey the codewitch
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        You're not wrong.

        When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.

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          Halp! I've become a slave to naming and style guidelines. Years of C++ development and years of development prior to advanced compilers and syntax highlighting and intellisense and doc-comments and all of that made me a fascist about it. To the point where I judge people for not following, say, MS naming and style guidelines for .NET when building C# apps. To the point where I usually kick myself for not putting constants before vars in equality comparisons if(0==foo), etc. I already smoke pot (it's legal here) so how do I loosen up? Y'all don't need my judgment. Nor do any fellow devs. And I need to be able to use other people's code without feeling a little sick about it, or wanting to refactor it before I touch it. I'm half serious about this post.

          When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.

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          A person's style is like pot, everyone likes something different!

          I do all my own stunts, but never intentionally! JaxCoder.com

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            A person's style is like pot, everyone likes something different!

            I do all my own stunts, but never intentionally! JaxCoder.com

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            honey the codewitch
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            I like standards. I'm button-down that way.

            When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.

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              Halp! I've become a slave to naming and style guidelines. Years of C++ development and years of development prior to advanced compilers and syntax highlighting and intellisense and doc-comments and all of that made me a fascist about it. To the point where I judge people for not following, say, MS naming and style guidelines for .NET when building C# apps. To the point where I usually kick myself for not putting constants before vars in equality comparisons if(0==foo), etc. I already smoke pot (it's legal here) so how do I loosen up? Y'all don't need my judgment. Nor do any fellow devs. And I need to be able to use other people's code without feeling a little sick about it, or wanting to refactor it before I touch it. I'm half serious about this post.

              When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.

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              Maximilien
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              The problem with coding style guides is that they try to put everything in it. Just start creating one with only a few guidelines that are easily enforceable.

              I'd rather be phishing!

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                your style sucks, so does mine, oh and that bloke over there: his style sucks too. each to their own. If style is an issue you've got a lot more growing up to do.

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                Except for 1TB - that's ALWAYS wrong. :laugh:

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                  Halp! I've become a slave to naming and style guidelines. Years of C++ development and years of development prior to advanced compilers and syntax highlighting and intellisense and doc-comments and all of that made me a fascist about it. To the point where I judge people for not following, say, MS naming and style guidelines for .NET when building C# apps. To the point where I usually kick myself for not putting constants before vars in equality comparisons if(0==foo), etc. I already smoke pot (it's legal here) so how do I loosen up? Y'all don't need my judgment. Nor do any fellow devs. And I need to be able to use other people's code without feeling a little sick about it, or wanting to refactor it before I touch it. I'm half serious about this post.

                  When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.

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                  codewitch honey crisis wrote:

                  To the point where I usually kick myself for not putting constants before vars in equality comparisons if(0==foo), etc.

                  I've never liked that one. Yes, I know it stops the "=" vs. "==" mistake but it just doesn't read the right way.

                  Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain

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                    codewitch honey crisis wrote:

                    To the point where I usually kick myself for not putting constants before vars in equality comparisons if(0==foo), etc.

                    I've never liked that one. Yes, I know it stops the "=" vs. "==" mistake but it just doesn't read the right way.

                    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain

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                    honey the codewitch
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                    I've grown to like it because if you tab everything out, it makes the constants easy to put into columns and read from the left. But that's only applicable when you're doing a lot of comparisons in one test, like in a state machine transition. Still, sometimes its elegant. Other times, maybe most times, i tend to agree with you but i suck it up and do it anyway, like eating an orange (i hate oranges)

                    When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.

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                      Halp! I've become a slave to naming and style guidelines. Years of C++ development and years of development prior to advanced compilers and syntax highlighting and intellisense and doc-comments and all of that made me a fascist about it. To the point where I judge people for not following, say, MS naming and style guidelines for .NET when building C# apps. To the point where I usually kick myself for not putting constants before vars in equality comparisons if(0==foo), etc. I already smoke pot (it's legal here) so how do I loosen up? Y'all don't need my judgment. Nor do any fellow devs. And I need to be able to use other people's code without feeling a little sick about it, or wanting to refactor it before I touch it. I'm half serious about this post.

                      When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.

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                      ZurdoDev
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                      codewitch honey crisis wrote:

                      I'm half serious about this post.

                      Which half?

                      Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                        Halp! I've become a slave to naming and style guidelines. Years of C++ development and years of development prior to advanced compilers and syntax highlighting and intellisense and doc-comments and all of that made me a fascist about it. To the point where I judge people for not following, say, MS naming and style guidelines for .NET when building C# apps. To the point where I usually kick myself for not putting constants before vars in equality comparisons if(0==foo), etc. I already smoke pot (it's legal here) so how do I loosen up? Y'all don't need my judgment. Nor do any fellow devs. And I need to be able to use other people's code without feeling a little sick about it, or wanting to refactor it before I touch it. I'm half serious about this post.

                        When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.

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                        Trust me, there's nothing wrong with dropping the source file into the notepad/vi and being able to tell right away whether some variables are member variables or local variables (thanks to conventions) without having to search the whole directory structure for its declaration. Especially if the project is > 1 million lines. Or looking at the equivalent of the namespace diarrhea where your fingers gets tired of searching here and there and comparing trying to put it all together in your head. :-D

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                          Trust me, there's nothing wrong with dropping the source file into the notepad/vi and being able to tell right away whether some variables are member variables or local variables (thanks to conventions) without having to search the whole directory structure for its declaration. Especially if the project is > 1 million lines. Or looking at the equivalent of the namespace diarrhea where your fingers gets tired of searching here and there and comparing trying to put it all together in your head. :-D

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                          honey the codewitch
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                          i hear that!

                          When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.

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                            codewitch honey crisis wrote:

                            I'm half serious about this post.

                            Which half?

                            Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                            honey the codewitch
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                            I'm not sure

                            When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.

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                              Halp! I've become a slave to naming and style guidelines. Years of C++ development and years of development prior to advanced compilers and syntax highlighting and intellisense and doc-comments and all of that made me a fascist about it. To the point where I judge people for not following, say, MS naming and style guidelines for .NET when building C# apps. To the point where I usually kick myself for not putting constants before vars in equality comparisons if(0==foo), etc. I already smoke pot (it's legal here) so how do I loosen up? Y'all don't need my judgment. Nor do any fellow devs. And I need to be able to use other people's code without feeling a little sick about it, or wanting to refactor it before I touch it. I'm half serious about this post.

                              When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.

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                              KarstenK
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                              this is how freedom smells in a socialist system. As long as you like it, it is great. :~

                              Press F1 for help or google it. Greetings from Germany

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                                Halp! I've become a slave to naming and style guidelines. Years of C++ development and years of development prior to advanced compilers and syntax highlighting and intellisense and doc-comments and all of that made me a fascist about it. To the point where I judge people for not following, say, MS naming and style guidelines for .NET when building C# apps. To the point where I usually kick myself for not putting constants before vars in equality comparisons if(0==foo), etc. I already smoke pot (it's legal here) so how do I loosen up? Y'all don't need my judgment. Nor do any fellow devs. And I need to be able to use other people's code without feeling a little sick about it, or wanting to refactor it before I touch it. I'm half serious about this post.

                                When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.

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                                Daniel Pfeffer
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                                I find coding styles to be like handwriting. When you've read enough code written by others, you'll find that you can read any style - as long as the writers followed it consistently. Life is too short to refactor everything into your preferred style.

                                Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                                  Halp! I've become a slave to naming and style guidelines. Years of C++ development and years of development prior to advanced compilers and syntax highlighting and intellisense and doc-comments and all of that made me a fascist about it. To the point where I judge people for not following, say, MS naming and style guidelines for .NET when building C# apps. To the point where I usually kick myself for not putting constants before vars in equality comparisons if(0==foo), etc. I already smoke pot (it's legal here) so how do I loosen up? Y'all don't need my judgment. Nor do any fellow devs. And I need to be able to use other people's code without feeling a little sick about it, or wanting to refactor it before I touch it. I'm half serious about this post.

                                  When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.

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                                  W Balboos GHB
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                                  codewitch honey crisis wrote:

                                  I'm half serious about this post.

                                  If you need to relax, work with the other not-so-serious half.

                                  Ravings en masse^

                                  "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                  "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                  • H honey the codewitch

                                    I like standards. I'm button-down that way.

                                    When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.

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                                    W Balboos GHB
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                                    There is only one (sensible) standard: The code can be read by another programmer without needing a decoder-ring - consistent with it's own standards and the intent of being informative to not only ones self, but with others who cares to look at the code. Consider that, even for a given language, a different type of project can be best served by code that is emphasizes its constructs as plainly (and maintainable) as possible. Also, if it's VB6, just chop off their hands.

                                    Ravings en masse^

                                    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                    "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                      I like standards. I'm button-down that way.

                                      When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.

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                                      Ravi Bhavnani
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                                      Coding standards are like religion.  It's fine to have one, but please don't force yours on me. :) /ravi

                                      My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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                                        Coding standards are like religion.  It's fine to have one, but please don't force yours on me. :) /ravi

                                        My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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                                        honey the codewitch
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                                        I am just trying to let go of some of my uptightness around the standards of others. =) We agree. I mean in principle. Intellectually speaking, but my heart isn't there yet.

                                        When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.

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                                          this is how freedom smells in a socialist system. As long as you like it, it is great. :~

                                          Press F1 for help or google it. Greetings from Germany

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                                          honey the codewitch
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                                          i'm not sure what any of this has to do with the workers owning and controlling the means of production (iow: socialism) it's just about my feelings around coding standards. sheesh

                                          When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.

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