News sources

PIEBALDconsult

None of the above.

Chris Maunder

Christian Graus wrote:

have you been paying attention is nearly on again

I didn't notice. I probably wasn't paying attention...

cheers Chris Maunder

Bob Nadler

Most local papers are really not that good (mine included). I think of my subscription as a donation trying to save an endangered species. They are most likely doomed, but it's a worthy cause nevertheless.

Bob on Medical Device Software [^]

realJSOP

This borders on soapbox material, but here we go... Where you get your news depends pretty much entirely on your political bent. Mainstream news wants to be the first to report, and is willing to make stuff up (or intentionally omit facts) to further their political handlers' agendas. People (like you and me) only hear what they want to hear. Nothing will change that. Civil discourse is dead because everything is an insult or somehow offensive now. Political correctness has destroyed civilization.

".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

David MacDermot

When I was in college I got my news and opinion from a number of sources. Shortwave - BBC world service, Radio Moscow, & Radio Havana Cuba. On my job as a delivery driver - Rush Limbaugh - a well known conservative talk radio host. At home on weekends our National Public Radio Weekend edition. On Sunday I bought the paper on my way home from church and would read it front to back all afternoon. That was in the early 90's. Some years later I lived and worked in Ukraine. For the first time since I was a teenager I had a working television. The American NBC Nightly News with Tom Brokaw was broadcast in the morning in English without voice over. I only watched a few episodes because I was usually on the job when it was on. I found this news show to be very slick and somewhat entertaining but also lacking in news. They would wrap up the broadcast with a "look around the world segment" typically there would be a cool graphic globe spinning and the viewer would zoom in as the globe slowed and finally settled on some place in middle America. Cut to reporter in Centerville Nebraska who would do a piece on farmer Joe getting recognized by Guinness for growing the largest ever pumpkin squash. As I became more proficient in Russian I would watch the nightly news on ORT (first channel). The news reader would talk extensively about Russian participation in this or that world economic forum. Or some trade or military deal with these African countries. I got the impression that the average Russian got a clearer view of world affairs than the average American, a decidedly Russian biased view of course. Back in the states in the late 90's I learned that in order to better understand what was going on at home and abroad one had to bypass the regular news and go to the sources. Industry trade publications and financial publications. I could get an idea not only of what was going on in the world but often the why.

Dominic Burford

Christian Graus wrote:

I read The Guardian online

This is the one publication (I refuse to call it a 'newspaper') I wouldn't touch with the proverbial barge pole. They make CNN and the BBC look positively unbiased. Their writers are progressive-left-wing liberals who look at every problem through the prism of identity politics.

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Dominic Burford

Once you understand that newspapers are no longer in the business of telling the truth but of pushing the narrative of their billionaire owners, then you understand that objectivity is not their goal. Your best bet is to read from a selection of sources, and somewhere amongst the different versions of the events will be a few grains of truth.

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Daniel Pfeffer

Christian Graus wrote:

So, where do you get your news? Or are you just hiding under a rock waiting for the storm to pass?

I have the newspapers delivered to my rock. :) I read: 1. "Left wing" - the International New York Times (comes bundled with Ha'aretz in Israel) 2. "Right wing" - the Jerusalem Post I watch: 3. CNN 4. Fox News Averaging those (admittedly biased) sources, I hope I can get a reasonably balanced picture of the world.

Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

GenJerDan

You don't have to stop watching/reading news. You just have to be able to compensate for the viewpoint of the source. Very few of them will actually lie or make stuff up from whole cloth, so it's just a matter of making an adjustment and maybe some semantic analysis.

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megaadam

For the truth I always check the Soapbox :suss:

"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"

PeejayAdams

Looking at the UK newspaper scene, we have the following options from left to right: Morning Star - Communist (readership circa 12 so barely relevant) Guardian - Prosecco socialist Daily Mirror - Traditional Labour Independent/i - Centrist Times and Sunday Times - Moderate Conservative Mail on Sunday - Moderate Conservative Daily Star - Largely apolitical due to space required for bingo and tits but right leaning. Daily Express and Sunday Express - right wing Conservative. The Sun - Finds plenty of space among the bingo and tits for anti-EU and anti-Labour ranting. Daily Telegraph and Sunday Telegraph - right wing Conservative/Kipper. Daily Mail - still pining for Mr. Hitler (the only decent foreigner that ever lived, apparently). That's a pretty heavy right-of-centre emphasis (especially when we bear in mind that The Sun has the highest circulation). Personally, I only ever tend to buy The i (best crossword by a country mile) or the Times but do look at most of them from time to time.

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain

W Balboos GHB

Scores of years ago I started listening to SW news - every country had an English service. That's where I heard so many versions of the same story - and watched as stores evolved (not the event, but how it was spun) as each weasel nation tried to look blameless. In a sense, part of what you speak of is business-as-usual. What's changed is the availability of a means for anybody to be heard by scillions (perhaps zillions) of people. Post what you want - it may be looked at; adopted; repeated; embellished. One thing that's become apparent - the democratization of a having a world-wide voice isn't necessarily a good thing. Not, at least, if it's available to everyone - the same people we call 'users" don't suddenly develop brains in how they operate

Ravings en masse^

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Rage

Local newspaper. This appears to be the only good reliable source of information in France. National newspaper tend to be biased depending on who owns the newspaper, and we better not speak about tv or internet, the source of fake news.

Do not escape reality : improve reality !

DRHuff

Christian Graus wrote:

like Notre Dame

Christian Graus wrote:

when someone famous dies the same way.

What famous people have died by being engulfed in flames while being renovated? I can't believe I missed that!!

Socialism is the Axe Body Spray of political ideologies: It never does what it claims to do, but people too young to know better keep buying it anyway. (Glenn Reynolds)

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

Christian Graus wrote:

MAFS

What's that? Some Aussie thing?

#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

Dean Roddey

I think it's a mistake to think that it's about the narrative of their owners. Their billionaire owners didn't get to be billionaires by putting their politics ahead of business. Of course if a billionaire has a particular view he's likely to buy a company that shares it. But, if it became financially untenable to hold that position, I sort of doubt that person would continue to eat a lot of losses to keep doing it. I think it's really about money, not politics. Politics is how you keep your viewing audience, by polarizing them to a retarded degree. There are so many people out there on the internet who view every single thing via one big politically polarized lens. And then owning the mind-share of a large viewing audience on this or that side of the isle gives you power, and power is a very effective lever to generate a lot more money indirectly. Obviously if you can make money and push your own point of view on the world, it's a double win for you. But the latter I think is more of a cherry on the pie, while the money and power is the pie itself.

Explorans limites defectum

Gary Wheeler

Same here. I have enough to worry about close to home, without getting my nuts in the grinder over the to-do in Washington or elsewhere.

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Jorgen Andersson

I'm using a couple of link aggregators for the fun/educative stuff. But for news it's mostly google news. Any source that gives me opinions instead of facts I block. It's funny how peaceful the world has become lately.

Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

Mark_Wallace

The only one I use that I haven't seen mentioned is News Sniffer[^]. Oh, and, since a certain person took residence in a certain-coloured house, I've found myself visiting FactCheck.org[^] more and more often.

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Mark_Wallace

Gary Wheeler wrote:

I have enough to worry about close to home, without getting my nuts in the grinder over the to-do in Washington or elsewhere.

I view it as entertainment, these days. OK, so we're getting closer and closer to jackboot governments, but you've gotta laugh, haven't you?

I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!