Code Project Project (CPP) [UPDATED 5/31]
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Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
A project management system. Phase tracking, bugs, document storage, client feedback area etc. Not a source control system, but a system for the management of a project that both managers/clients and the developers are happy with. We all bitch about management of projects, so lets do something about it for once.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
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Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Also for the project in general, especially the first time out, I would like to say; Think small, think focused, think useful. An operating system, a game? Come on guys, we know how that will go, it won't. We need something that will do one or two things very, very well. Something that can start small, a foundation layer, be released, see results and then can be extended as needed. It must be attainable. Management of this is going to be a nightmare. People get bored, go on holiday, disagree, fail to deliver or just disapear. Splinter groups will form. So if we do something small and focused the first time it sets a good precedent for later, larger projects. Lets rather get our internals working before we try and fix the world
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
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OK , you learn something everyday :) But how intellegent is this? Or does a paper clip "notify" you?
It's not intelligent at all, but it works perfectly when sharing files between projects :) - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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It's not intelligent at all, but it works perfectly when sharing files between projects :) - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
I was really hoping for the paperclip though! "It looks like you are attempting to write some code that failed a few weeks ago. Click yes to replace with working code or No to continue making the same mistake again." :)
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John Fisher wrote: A client program that monitors all new/updated posts, articles, etc. then lets you browse them at your leasure (without depending upon the cookie that gets confused as to whether you actually read something or not). Well, there's the new RSS feed plus some existing (OK, using cookies I guess), message monitors. John Fisher wrote: This same program would also have a CodeProject-specific chat client built-in. On the humorous side, I already spend too much time reading the messages and replying to them. I'd NEVER get anything done with a live chat system. Plus I guess a lot of people already use existing chat technologies. John Fisher wrote: It could also use a sophisticated article submission handler to ensure good formatting I typically write everything in FrontPage and do the final touch up in the editor that CP already has, which is really cool. That way, I don't mind if the browser crashes. Hope you don't mind the feedback--it would be interesting to further develop these ideas so we're not duplicating existing work. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"Thanks for the comments. I was basically throwing out ideas to spur thought, with the goal of a single app (or very closely related group of apps) that would be CP specific. Right now, we can do most of these things, but they're disjointed and not all of them are as powerful as they could be with an locally hosted application (client). If anyone has other ideas for adding to this "suite" concept, just think along the lines of what everyone likes to already do at CP, but make it easier. John
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Also for the project in general, especially the first time out, I would like to say; Think small, think focused, think useful. An operating system, a game? Come on guys, we know how that will go, it won't. We need something that will do one or two things very, very well. Something that can start small, a foundation layer, be released, see results and then can be extended as needed. It must be attainable. Management of this is going to be a nightmare. People get bored, go on holiday, disagree, fail to deliver or just disapear. Splinter groups will form. So if we do something small and focused the first time it sets a good precedent for later, larger projects. Lets rather get our internals working before we try and fix the world
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
I agree 100%. We tend to believe that the more bodies we throw at a project, the faster it will get done. In fact, it turns out to be the opposite. That's why I'd like to see us work on more than one project, maybe even the top 5. With about 10 developers each.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
I would also like to volunteer (belatedly ;P)**
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I just worry that we will end up with projects were only 1 or 2 people are really doing something. If we have 40 people on one project then maybe 20 does something and 10 works intensively.(Taking in count that most of us have a work or study) With more people there will always be something happening, and we can daily follow the progress in the lounge. Anybody who has ever been in a SourceForge project, knows that it is not fun when nothing happens in months. jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!
How about we just split into coding units, so different teams focus on different sectors of the project?? Would this work?**
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How about we just split into coding units, so different teams focus on different sectors of the project?? Would this work?**
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Basic application framework with support for: :rose: Addins - the kind of addin can be as powerful as the original application :rose: Commands - self-runnable commands that can be invoked by menus, toolbars, or code :rose: Properties - A framework for easily reading and writing properties - including an interface for persisting any class to XML. :rose: Messages - a system for outputting messages that abstracts the message from the output method, so that the same message can be outputted to a message box, a statusbar, a log file, an MS Agent character, etc. :rose: Services - everything that performs an action for another object is a service. There can be services such as help, file IO, etc.
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." - Jesus
"An eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind." - Mahatma GandhiIt would certainly be nice to bag lots of the Office style GUI code together like BCGControlBar / Ultimate Toolkit does. After all the interface they make are wonderful - just a shame BCG is no longer free for most of us... Certainly an incentive to build on the idea in a no charge way**
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I don't know about YOUR software, but MY software doesn't have defects! Just kidding. I was perusing the web a few months ago and found some online defect tracking software, some of it was free, some of it had a trial period, etc. Some of them looked pretty cool. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"Marc Clifton wrote: I don't know about YOUR software, but MY software doesn't have defects! Same here, but I have heard that some people actually need a system like that ;) Marc Clifton wrote: was perusing the web a few months ago and found some online defect tracking software I have tried to find something that I can run on my own server, using ASP/ASP.NET and an Access DB or a SQL-Server, but those I found costs a LOT more than I can afford for my free-time projects... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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It would certainly be nice to bag lots of the Office style GUI code together like BCGControlBar / Ultimate Toolkit does. After all the interface they make are wonderful - just a shame BCG is no longer free for most of us... Certainly an incentive to build on the idea in a no charge way**
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Joel Holdsworth wrote: It would certainly be nice to bag lots of the Office style GUI code together like BCGControlBar / Ultimate Toolkit does. After all the interface they make are wonderful - just a shame BCG is no longer free for most of us... Certainly an incentive to build on the idea in a no charge way Precisely. I have a big list of both common and not-so-common controls I'd like to see us do.
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Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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I'm a graphics loving guy and I'd like to work on a fractal engine of some sort. This may not have any practical use except for personal enjoyment.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
I've worked on a project like that fro about 2 years I called it ChaosImager http://joelholdsworth.members.beeb.net/CI1/INDEX.HTM[^]. I found that the mainstay of my project was having good interface like BCG - and when that ceased to be free the project kinda lost momentum!! But if you look at other famous fractal makers such as UltraFractal they all have beutiful interfaces. So I think UGLY should be the first priority!!!**
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Should we use only the most popular idea or should we split the ideas into multiple projects?
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
How about selecing the most popular project and then splitting the crowd up into subgroups depending on their ability... Failing that I vote for just one project... UGLY!!**
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Your description sounds exactly like what I have had in mind for years now. And I agree--let's do it! I'm looking forward to your ideas--I don't have anything concrete in mind except the vision, and you were right on target with stand alone jobs that can be re-dispatched, etc. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"I am working on a small document crystallizing my ideas. I will send it to you on Monday. Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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empty message Just so this doesn't get out of hand, let me post new polls directly under this message. If you would like to ask a poll question, please ask me to write it out by posting a request in the COMMENTS section. thanks
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
How to develop a voting and decision making system so that we fast and flexible could make decisions about our projects.? We can use CP directly like this: - could be open 48 hour after the proposition is made. - people can can put forward their ideas and be elected on. CP's own vote system should work here. - never on a Friday, Saturday or Sunday (US Central Time) The subject line could be: - one of theese "CPP vote 24h-24h:" (24h for presenting alternativs and 24h for voting) or "CPP vote 48h" (all alternativs are presented, so start voting at once) - the first reply would be your proposal or problem, with project name if necessary. - people would reply, and the reply with the most votes would automatically be accepted as the final decision after 48h. If it is a bad decision it can always be elected down with a new proposition. - the one who has won the voting would change the subject line in his message to "Decided" and copy the message to the project logg. If you have some other idea then reply to this and we can vote... jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!
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How to develop a voting and decision making system so that we fast and flexible could make decisions about our projects.? We can use CP directly like this: - could be open 48 hour after the proposition is made. - people can can put forward their ideas and be elected on. CP's own vote system should work here. - never on a Friday, Saturday or Sunday (US Central Time) The subject line could be: - one of theese "CPP vote 24h-24h:" (24h for presenting alternativs and 24h for voting) or "CPP vote 48h" (all alternativs are presented, so start voting at once) - the first reply would be your proposal or problem, with project name if necessary. - people would reply, and the reply with the most votes would automatically be accepted as the final decision after 48h. If it is a bad decision it can always be elected down with a new proposition. - the one who has won the voting would change the subject line in his message to "Decided" and copy the message to the project logg. If you have some other idea then reply to this and we can vote... jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!
Fine with me for most things, but when we divide up into seperate projects, I think we should have a seperate article for each project with voting done at the bottom. Also, some things do best with the CP-poll-of-the-week style of polling.
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How about we just split into coding units, so different teams focus on different sectors of the project?? Would this work?**
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Sounds ok to me. jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!