Anyone want to join me in the BSOD fight club?
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I've used VMS, Ultrix, Solaris, SunOS, HPUX, and AIX and they have never crashed on me. "Windows the windows way" - huh, expand that a bit if you would not mind. I don't do Unix to my laptop, so....
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Once upon a time, support.microsoft.com was a technical support site worth it's weight in gold (it really worked, just input the error message and you got the right answer 99% of the time). Then microsoft decided that everything had to be powered by Bing... So now it's completely dysfunctional, and aimed at users instead of tech support.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
Once upon a time, support.microsoft.com was a technical support site worth it's weight in gold
What does a technical support site weight anyway?
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I've ranted a bit before about Microsoft's pathetic excuse for an operating system. Window's only achievement is through marketing and "it's good enough." My customers do not and will not tolerate their machines crashing for inexplicable reasons... my assessment of Windows 10 on a good day is marginal, on an average day pathetic, and on a bad day - criminal. I'm being generous. For 25 years I've put up with "it must be a driver" bullchips, and as a professional by now MS should have fixed their exposure to this issue - practice safe drivers. Anyway, I rant and I want peace on earth and free healthcare for all.... Google "BSOD diagnosis" and you will get a pant load of sites that are nothing more than shills for "magic" s/w that does absolutely nothing. The next major category is anything beginning with "answers.microsoft... " I actually can hope that most of the posts are AI driven, but I'm not sure. So for those of you who get into the muck to solve or at least accurately identify Windows 10 system issues - what are your preferred sites? What sites eat raw bits and crap ammo when they are done? tomshardware can have some traction from time to time.... crap, I feel an article forming.
Charlie Gilley There is nothing "free" in life. If you believe this, you believe in theft.
charlieg wrote:
what are your preferred sites?
Amongst these you will easy your burden.[^]
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
Once upon a time, support.microsoft.com was a technical support site worth it's weight in gold
What does a technical support site weight anyway?
Spot on. :thumbsup: :)
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Are you shure you have a legal copy of Windows? :-\
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I've ranted a bit before about Microsoft's pathetic excuse for an operating system. Window's only achievement is through marketing and "it's good enough." My customers do not and will not tolerate their machines crashing for inexplicable reasons... my assessment of Windows 10 on a good day is marginal, on an average day pathetic, and on a bad day - criminal. I'm being generous. For 25 years I've put up with "it must be a driver" bullchips, and as a professional by now MS should have fixed their exposure to this issue - practice safe drivers. Anyway, I rant and I want peace on earth and free healthcare for all.... Google "BSOD diagnosis" and you will get a pant load of sites that are nothing more than shills for "magic" s/w that does absolutely nothing. The next major category is anything beginning with "answers.microsoft... " I actually can hope that most of the posts are AI driven, but I'm not sure. So for those of you who get into the muck to solve or at least accurately identify Windows 10 system issues - what are your preferred sites? What sites eat raw bits and crap ammo when they are done? tomshardware can have some traction from time to time.... crap, I feel an article forming.
Charlie Gilley There is nothing "free" in life. If you believe this, you believe in theft.
I worked on a product that automated data centers. It ran under that flaky, unreliable, constantly crashing, BSOD producing OS called Windows. It ran for nearly 4 years without being powered off, shut down or rebooted even once. Then the machine was upgraded to a newer version of Windows and continued without issue until I left the company quite a bit later. :cool: We also had to deal with AS/400s, various Unix and Linux machines and they were, relatively speaking, constantly hanging up or giving problems. In fact, we used our software - running under Windows - to report when these other machines became unresponsive. ;P This was a few years ago but I still haven't seen a BSOD except just one about five years ago when some memory hardware failed. :zzz: Sorry, but I don't intend to join your hate-speech club! :~
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Well off to WinDbg it is. I agree with the assessment of the other sites - huge amounts of adds and "we suggest you download easydriverfix.exe". As for Microsoft's sites, they are just a shadow of their past filled with ridiculous MS responses. As for Windows 10 itself - the most stable OS for me was Windows 7, and I still believe that Windows 10 was more marketing than anything else. I cite the asinine decision to forcibly reboot computers to update them. Even running W10 Pro, I still see the same issues that people have been fighting since Windows 8. At any given time, the ntoskrnl will be sucking up 10% of my cpu. Recovering from sleep mode is a guaranteed BSOD bomb waiting to detonate. And God help you if you get happy with USB devices. These are chronic issues that have existed in Windows for years, and yet the OS is still vulnerable to the whims of 3rd parties. Even now after all these years, the most likely way to reset your machine to a stable state is to re-install Windows. Don't even get me started on its security issues. Anyway off to WinDbg....
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
charlieg wrote:
Even now after all these years, the most likely way to reset your machine to a stable state is to re-install Windows
I would make the case that this is true for any OS, unless you're intimately familiar with its internals and know where to look for crap that doesn't uninstall itself cleanly. There's always one recurring theme I see whenever people bring me a system that's in such a bad state that there's no recovery option but to nuke/reinstall: Users have installed so much software of dubious origin over years and they can't identify a quarter of the items in the Add/Remove Programs list. The first thing to do given a brand new machine is to remove all the third-party bundleware. I've had fewer problems manually cleaning viruses off of people's machines.
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was gonna say that. although i think my windows install is hosed (but only a little bit). thanks VS2017.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
Time to go VS2019! ;P
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Time to go VS2019! ;P
A new .NET Serializer All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar Taking over the world since 1371!
I have that installed too but i've only ever opened it by accident My sticking point is whenever i install a prerelease from microsoft, eventually the updates start hosing my install, whereas if i wait for a release version, the updates tend to work better. i've had the problem with previous devstudio releases at least. and with windows.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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charlieg wrote:
what are your preferred sites?
Amongst these you will easy your burden.[^]
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Funny you should be advocating for Debian. I've just installed 10 in a new VM, and its GUI-based updater ("Software Center", I think?) insists I'm offline and it can't get anything. Yet I'm browsing the web and other systems within my LAN. I've used plenty of versions before that, and have used plenty more alternative distributions (see below - this is from my Hyper-V host running nothing but Linux VMs)...yet this is the first time I've encountered this, and I frankly I don't know what to do about it.
C:\> (Get-VM).Count
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Spot on. :thumbsup: :)
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Possibly hydrogen
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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I've ranted a bit before about Microsoft's pathetic excuse for an operating system. Window's only achievement is through marketing and "it's good enough." My customers do not and will not tolerate their machines crashing for inexplicable reasons... my assessment of Windows 10 on a good day is marginal, on an average day pathetic, and on a bad day - criminal. I'm being generous. For 25 years I've put up with "it must be a driver" bullchips, and as a professional by now MS should have fixed their exposure to this issue - practice safe drivers. Anyway, I rant and I want peace on earth and free healthcare for all.... Google "BSOD diagnosis" and you will get a pant load of sites that are nothing more than shills for "magic" s/w that does absolutely nothing. The next major category is anything beginning with "answers.microsoft... " I actually can hope that most of the posts are AI driven, but I'm not sure. So for those of you who get into the muck to solve or at least accurately identify Windows 10 system issues - what are your preferred sites? What sites eat raw bits and crap ammo when they are done? tomshardware can have some traction from time to time.... crap, I feel an article forming.
Charlie Gilley There is nothing "free" in life. If you believe this, you believe in theft.
I had an old Dell 6520 that lasted me for 5+ years. Then one day it started to BSOD on me at random intervals. the BSOD messages were all different. I checked on the "usual" places for answers the BSOD message but no help. I finally decided to run a memory test, (MemTest86[^]) and low and behold, I had some bad memory. Replaced the memory modules and all was good.
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I've only had one BSOD on Windows 10, and it was caused by, ... wait for it ..., a bad driver! It really was! Vendor site had an updated driver and haven't had a problem since.
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Dave KreskowiakI've had the opposite happening to me. Laptop nagging me to update the drivers, did it and it bluescreened on startup. It was hell to rollback.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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charlieg wrote:
Microsoft's pathetic excuse for an operating system.
I have been using Windows for something approaching 30 years, and have had very few problems with it. Rather than "pathetic excuse", I would say it is an excellent operating system and can largely be used without problems by any non-technical person. However, should you start to mess with it (as I have done once or twice) do not be surprised if it crashes occasionally.
Richard MacCutchan wrote:
I have been using Windows for something approaching 30 years
Had you mentioned the 30 odd years of *nix usage before that, you'd be showing your age. Jeez, man. That was close. :-)
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I have that installed too but i've only ever opened it by accident My sticking point is whenever i install a prerelease from microsoft, eventually the updates start hosing my install, whereas if i wait for a release version, the updates tend to work better. i've had the problem with previous devstudio releases at least. and with windows.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
Mmmm... I think I know what you mean... At any rate I was pleasantly surprised when they said the .NET Core 3 rc2 installer (or rc3? or some other number!) and forward will uninstall previous (pre-release) versions, when installed. And I checked it, it was true! :o :D
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Mmmm... I think I know what you mean... At any rate I was pleasantly surprised when they said the .NET Core 3 rc2 installer (or rc3? or some other number!) and forward will uninstall previous (pre-release) versions, when installed. And I checked it, it was true! :o :D
A new .NET Serializer All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar Taking over the world since 1371!
cool. glad to hear that. you should check out Pck when you get the chance. Pck: Code Roundup and Quick Start Guide[^] It should be able to handle your dice parsing. No code in the grammars though. Because reasons (lots of them)
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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cool. glad to hear that. you should check out Pck when you get the chance. Pck: Code Roundup and Quick Start Guide[^] It should be able to handle your dice parsing. No code in the grammars though. Because reasons (lots of them)
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
Cool, gotta have a look soon! :) Congratulation, look ever more sophisticated! :)
A new .NET Serializer All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar Taking over the world since 1371!
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I've ranted a bit before about Microsoft's pathetic excuse for an operating system. Window's only achievement is through marketing and "it's good enough." My customers do not and will not tolerate their machines crashing for inexplicable reasons... my assessment of Windows 10 on a good day is marginal, on an average day pathetic, and on a bad day - criminal. I'm being generous. For 25 years I've put up with "it must be a driver" bullchips, and as a professional by now MS should have fixed their exposure to this issue - practice safe drivers. Anyway, I rant and I want peace on earth and free healthcare for all.... Google "BSOD diagnosis" and you will get a pant load of sites that are nothing more than shills for "magic" s/w that does absolutely nothing. The next major category is anything beginning with "answers.microsoft... " I actually can hope that most of the posts are AI driven, but I'm not sure. So for those of you who get into the muck to solve or at least accurately identify Windows 10 system issues - what are your preferred sites? What sites eat raw bits and crap ammo when they are done? tomshardware can have some traction from time to time.... crap, I feel an article forming.
Charlie Gilley There is nothing "free" in life. If you believe this, you believe in theft.
My preferred solution is a kernel dump and WinDbg. The far most crashes I've diagnosed myself stem from faulty third-party drivers, a couple are extremely specific in being unspecific which indicates hardware failure. I remember one I've seen which was impossible to nail down at first, but dude finally admitted overclocking but couldn't grasp the causal connection between overclocking and kernel panics himself.
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Funny you mention that, I haven't seen a BSOD in.. ho.. I can't remember... I wonder how people get them those days! :o Apart from Hardware fault, that is...
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Two of my users regularly still get BSODs. I do know exactly why though for these two machines. Whenever M$ update their handling of graphic devices, the vendor provided drivers for the graphic devices on these two (out of 20 odd physical machines) shut down and bang BSOD. Of course, what we see on the screen gives absolutely no clue that this is the reason, just learnt the hard way. Management asked me if we could invoice M$ for the several hundred hours of research I had to do to find the issue and document it sufficiently that someone else can recover these machines if I am not on-site. I suggested that this would only cause amusement in the the house of small soft things.