Left or right or not?
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I've said you are a whiner. That hasn't changed.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
Thanks for continuing to prove my point.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Thanks for continuing to prove my point.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Your point is you are a whiner.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
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Your point is you are a whiner.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
Ah, ad hominem now. I guess you can't handle the truth when someone points out facts and observations. Thanks for continuing to prove my point.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Ah, ad hominem now. I guess you can't handle the truth when someone points out facts and observations. Thanks for continuing to prove my point.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Observation? :laugh: You are a whiner.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
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Observation? :laugh: You are a whiner.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
Continuing ad hominem attacks and continuing to prove my point. Thanks for continuing to provide evidence.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Continuing ad hominem attacks and continuing to prove my point. Thanks for continuing to provide evidence.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
You are a whiner. Nothing ad-hom about it. You've said nothing that needs avoiding, you just whined. Come to think about it, you're really good at projection.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
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You are a whiner. Nothing ad-hom about it. You've said nothing that needs avoiding, you just whined. Come to think about it, you're really good at projection.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
Escalation and more ad-homimen. And more false claims. Keep it up. You're living down to the low example you've been showing for years.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Escalation and more ad-homimen. And more false claims. Keep it up. You're living down to the low example you've been showing for years.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Keep on whining. You are very good at it and I like collecting all the cups of whine from you! ;P
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
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Keep on whining. You are very good at it and I like collecting all the cups of whine from you! ;P
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
:zzz: :zzz:
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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:zzz: :zzz:
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Good boy! :laugh:
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
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Good boy! :laugh:
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
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#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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an article supporting your position/statement:JAMA Forum: Hospitals Don’t Shift Costs From Medicare or Medicaid to Private Insurers – news@JAMA[^] an up in the air still debating supporting docs: How Much Do Hospitals Cost Shift? A Review of the Evidence[^] article debunking hospitals that use the cost shift argument as inaccurate https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/24/upshot/why-hospitals-are-wrong-about-shifting-costs-to-private-insurers.html[^] as it currently stands, you are looking like you are correct with the cost shift because of medicare/medicaid. Still doesn't debunk high salaries and expensive medical supplies, etc AND insurance companies just being greedy. Politics and $$$, they both go together in the end.
Slacker007 wrote:
Still doesn't debunk
I haven't been attempting to debunk high costs in the US healthcare system. I know they are. The point I disagree with you is your statement that UHC cannot work in the US.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
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[Note: Less than a week left to discuss this.] There's the Left Wing; there's the Right Wing... that seems to be about it in the US. In Britain and Europe there's a lot of people in between, more central in their politics. We need to create a Demoblican Party for those of us who do not espouse extreme positions. We also need a better name for it; "Repucrat" just doesn't work either. Any suggestions? Who would join such a party?
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Forogar wrote:
We need to create a Demoblican Party for those of us who do not espouse extreme positions.
That's pretty much how the democrat party started. The democrats have become extremists though, and the only centrist party (or non-extreme at least) is actually the republicans who remain fairly centre-right.
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Slacker007 wrote:
Still doesn't debunk
I haven't been attempting to debunk high costs in the US healthcare system. I know they are. The point I disagree with you is your statement that UHC cannot work in the US.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
UHC cannot work when costs are still too high. That is my argument; not that UHC in and of itself won't work. You have to lower wages and the cost of medical equipment, supplies, hospital stays, etc. for UHC to have a chance. UHC will never work in this country because those things that I have listed will never change. Again, that is my argument. 7 Reasons Why Universal Healthcare Won’t Work in the US[^]
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- Heathcare is too expensive (like college tuition is). 1) People that don't contribute to society in a meaningful way should be allowed to die. This includes (but is not limited to) people that go to college that major in Art, English Literature, Psychology, and Gender Studies.
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UHC cannot work when costs are still too high. That is my argument; not that UHC in and of itself won't work. You have to lower wages and the cost of medical equipment, supplies, hospital stays, etc. for UHC to have a chance. UHC will never work in this country because those things that I have listed will never change. Again, that is my argument. 7 Reasons Why Universal Healthcare Won’t Work in the US[^]
Slacker007 wrote:
You have to lower wages and the cost of medical equipment, supplies, hospital stays, etc. for UHC to have a chance.
That does seem like basic economics, doesn't it. Not sure why some people can't see that. :^)
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Actually - if you think about it - most people would consider themselves a "moderate" as compared to an "extremest". Probably related to why everyone (it seems) is so sure they are right correct. Wherever you stand, you can look to the left; you can look to the right; you will always find someone there.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I've been told by a brainwashed, all-in Democrat (whom I've known for decades) that there are no such thing as moderates: only Democrats and Nazis. I find this ironic from a party that is currently publicly espousing socialism, fascism, and defense of Antisemitism. I live in the bible belt, and "democrat" is basically an insult down here. I'm not sure that most people do consider themselves moderates. We're being crapped on as a group, lately, because the tribals have developed an intense hatred of the "other".
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
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I've been told by a brainwashed, all-in Democrat (whom I've known for decades) that there are no such thing as moderates: only Democrats and Nazis. I find this ironic from a party that is currently publicly espousing socialism, fascism, and defense of Antisemitism. I live in the bible belt, and "democrat" is basically an insult down here. I'm not sure that most people do consider themselves moderates. We're being crapped on as a group, lately, because the tribals have developed an intense hatred of the "other".
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
Hatred of "other" was (and remains) the driving force behind Humps campaign. It's a aged tried and true technique. Probably works on humans at an instinctual level (genetically) and egotistical level (my failures are THERE fault). Bible belt - hypocrisy land. They want to force woman to have babies and then deny them medical care. Be born, and after that, we don't care if you suffer and die. Also, they want taxes cut - well how about adopting those unwanted babies so they have a home instead of keeping them on welfare? Cutting every social welfare program (except the Federal money pouring int their states taken from Northern states) Hmmmmmm. Democrats stink from hypocrisy in their own way: those four bitches, for example - maybe they should protest the amputation little girl's clitoris' in their love home countries (and countries they love to support). And honor killings. And when Pelosi finally started to condemn them, she was (in my opinion) played by the Hump. He made his 'go back where you came from' statement and the Dem's circled their wagons around the bitches. Interestingly, in his own way, Humps more recent statement about Jews being 'disloyal' (if they don't support him) puts him in the group with them - using old bigotry as his weapon, the same stuff. SO - I will repeat - "A Plague on Both Their Houses"
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Hatred of "other" was (and remains) the driving force behind Humps campaign. It's a aged tried and true technique. Probably works on humans at an instinctual level (genetically) and egotistical level (my failures are THERE fault). Bible belt - hypocrisy land. They want to force woman to have babies and then deny them medical care. Be born, and after that, we don't care if you suffer and die. Also, they want taxes cut - well how about adopting those unwanted babies so they have a home instead of keeping them on welfare? Cutting every social welfare program (except the Federal money pouring int their states taken from Northern states) Hmmmmmm. Democrats stink from hypocrisy in their own way: those four bitches, for example - maybe they should protest the amputation little girl's clitoris' in their love home countries (and countries they love to support). And honor killings. And when Pelosi finally started to condemn them, she was (in my opinion) played by the Hump. He made his 'go back where you came from' statement and the Dem's circled their wagons around the bitches. Interestingly, in his own way, Humps more recent statement about Jews being 'disloyal' (if they don't support him) puts him in the group with them - using old bigotry as his weapon, the same stuff. SO - I will repeat - "A Plague on Both Their Houses"
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I'm not disagreeing in principle with any of that, just pointing out that the embrace of extremism is very common.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
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UHC cannot work when costs are still too high. That is my argument; not that UHC in and of itself won't work. You have to lower wages and the cost of medical equipment, supplies, hospital stays, etc. for UHC to have a chance. UHC will never work in this country because those things that I have listed will never change. Again, that is my argument. 7 Reasons Why Universal Healthcare Won’t Work in the US[^]
Slacker007 wrote:
UHC cannot work when costs are still too high.
I disagree. We already have a form of single payer here in Medicare and it does a much better job at controlling costs than the private sector.
Slacker007 wrote:
You have to lower wages and the cost of medical equipment, supplies, hospital stays, etc. for UHC to have a chance.
You're putting the cart before the horse. If you want to control costs you need to put a system in place to control costs. A system like UHC.
Slacker007 wrote:
will never change.
Again, I disagree. The politics of it are difficult but not impossible.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
