I Disagree With Shutting Down the Soapbox
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
It's funny how Americans think theirs is the only country that protects free speech.
Show me another constitution that protects free speech.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Show me another constitution that protects free speech.
Neither does yours :) Again this is your problem, you think the American way of doing things is the only way of doing things. Different countries have different legal structures and just because one country doesn't exactly mimic your legal structure doesn't mean they don't have your rights. You don't even understand your *own* laws, yet you are attacking the laws of other countries? Why should you need laws that tell you what you *can* do? Laws are for saying what you *can't* do and your 1st Amendment says the government *can't* impeded your right to speak - your implication that the US law protects your freedom of speech is an incorrect assumption on your part, the very premise of your argument is incorrect but I'll continue with the spirit of your argument. In the UK we have a common law "negative right" to free speech. No-one has created a law saying we can't speak freely, ergo we have protected freedom of speech. In addition to those century old rights we also have the more modern Human Rights Act which does explicitly grant freedom of speech, so we have both a "positive right" and a "negative right" to free speech.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
that are surprised that others have a constitution.
Do any of those constitutions protect free speech?
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Yes.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Show me another constitution that protects free speech.
Neither does yours :) Again this is your problem, you think the American way of doing things is the only way of doing things. Different countries have different legal structures and just because one country doesn't exactly mimic your legal structure doesn't mean they don't have your rights. You don't even understand your *own* laws, yet you are attacking the laws of other countries? Why should you need laws that tell you what you *can* do? Laws are for saying what you *can't* do and your 1st Amendment says the government *can't* impeded your right to speak - your implication that the US law protects your freedom of speech is an incorrect assumption on your part, the very premise of your argument is incorrect but I'll continue with the spirit of your argument. In the UK we have a common law "negative right" to free speech. No-one has created a law saying we can't speak freely, ergo we have protected freedom of speech. In addition to those century old rights we also have the more modern Human Rights Act which does explicitly grant freedom of speech, so we have both a "positive right" and a "negative right" to free speech.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Neither does yours
Wrong.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
you think the American way of doing things is the only way of doing things.
Wrong.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Different countries have different legal structures and just because one country doesn't exactly mimic your legal structure doesn't mean they don't have your rights.
Thank you Captain Obvious.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
You don't even understand your *own* laws,
Wrong.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
yet you are attacking the laws of other countries?
Wrong.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Why should you need laws that tell you what you *can* do?
That shows your ignorance. :wtf: It's to protect the rights. :doh:
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
your implication that the US law protects your freedom of speech is an incorrect assumption on your part,
Wrong.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
No-one has created a law saying we can't speak freely, ergo we have protected freedom of speech
It's adorable that you believe that. Just the other day OG pointed out that his neighbor got ticked for calling his other neighbor a name. Ya, you have free speech. :laugh: :laugh: Boy, that was a wasted post. :zzz:
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Yes.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
We have freedom of press instead, it's actually better.
I'm no expert of American "free speech" let alone any variations of it across the globe... but what makes you say that your "freedom of the press" is better than our "free speech"? Just curious...
And on that note: Press Freedom Index - Wikipedia[^]
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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What's freedom of speech worth if noone is there to listen? And your press can quite easily be shutdown with a barrage of litigations.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
What's freedom of speech worth if noone is there to listen?
:confused:
Freedom of speech isn't worth that much if you can't distribute your opinions. Your first amendment is only protecting you against the state.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Freedom of speech isn't worth that much if you can't distribute your opinions. Your first amendment is only protecting you against the state.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Litigation lawsuits are pretty common for example. They don't need any substance to take out a business, they just need to be expensive enough.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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And on that note: Press Freedom Index - Wikipedia[^]
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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I wonder why nearly every country is seeing their scores get worse year by year? If I were a betting man, I'd say Reporters Without Borders has an agenda. ;)
Nah, the climate is getting worse. And if the "Big protector of Freedom" doesn't give a shit anymore...
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Litigation lawsuits are pretty common for example. They don't need any substance to take out a business, they just need to be expensive enough.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Nah, the climate is getting worse. And if the "Big protector of Freedom" doesn't give a shit anymore...
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
And if the "Big protector of Freedom" doesn't give a sh*t anymore...
The US? Since when is it our responsibility to protect your freedom?
It isn't. But if no one cares that's what you get.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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We do as most countries do. But the system is that every newspaper (or other media) has a person that has personal responsibility over the content. And personally takes the punishment in case of breaking laws. But the newspaper remains in business.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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I wonder why nearly every country is seeing their scores get worse year by year? If I were a betting man, I'd say Reporters Without Borders has an agenda. ;)
Agenda? They're a french organization. Not possible to exist without an agenda. In a country where, if you use a non-french word and a french one exists, you get fined. In an EU that's let's the middle east mullah's censor their press. Ooops - sounds just like the soapbox!
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It isn't. But if no one cares that's what you get.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
I'm going to disagree. The press (the US press anyway) has become more politically / socially biased over the last couple decades. The rise of the internet and decline of print media has lowered the bar in several ways. Anybody with a PC who can figure out how to blog calls themselves a journalist. For the sake of clicks (and advertising) they publish stories with no corroboration and no real evidence. Editorials and opinion pieces have become 80% of the content instead of the 20% they used to be. The public's opinion of the "news" media has been (deservedly) fading for a long time.
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We do as most countries do. But the system is that every newspaper (or other media) has a person that has personal responsibility over the content. And personally takes the punishment in case of breaking laws. But the newspaper remains in business.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
But the newspaper remains in business.
Many newspapers in the US have gone out of business but I have to believe that it was due to a decline in readers and advertisers as well as people getting more of their "news" from the internet and social media. I can't think of a newspaper that was sued out of business.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
But the newspaper remains in business.
Many newspapers in the US have gone out of business but I have to believe that it was due to a decline in readers and advertisers as well as people getting more of their "news" from the internet and social media. I can't think of a newspaper that was sued out of business.
Peter Thiel vs Gawker is the first one that comes to mind.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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I'm going to disagree. The press (the US press anyway) has become more politically / socially biased over the last couple decades. The rise of the internet and decline of print media has lowered the bar in several ways. Anybody with a PC who can figure out how to blog calls themselves a journalist. For the sake of clicks (and advertising) they publish stories with no corroboration and no real evidence. Editorials and opinion pieces have become 80% of the content instead of the 20% they used to be. The public's opinion of the "news" media has been (deservedly) fading for a long time.
There you definitely have a point. But why isn't it affecting all countries?
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
