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  • T theoldfool

    APL? You can always tell an APL programmer. But not much.

    If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.

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    Gary Wheeler
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    theoldfool wrote:

    You can always tell an APL programmer

    Yeah, he/she's the one that the SETI folks are always following around, trying to decipher his code as the one line design for a hyperdrive.

    Software Zen: delete this;

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      theoldfool wrote:

      You can always tell an APL programmer

      Yeah, he/she's the one that the SETI folks are always following around, trying to decipher his code as the one line design for a hyperdrive.

      Software Zen: delete this;

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      Only wimps use more than one line. Hold my beer and watch this!

      If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.

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      • P PIEBALDconsult

        Somewhat. But I still use a text editor and command-line complier with C# when I don't need a full IDE, so I continue to have that feel anyway. And, of course, on my OpenVMS systems I have no IDE at all. If I recall correctly, I have installed only C on my OpenVMS systems, although I have licenses and packages for Pascal and COBOL and other languages which I may never use again. I would like to have Turbo Pascal 5.5 and Turbo C on my PC again, but only for fun. I have found that Turbo BASIC won't run on Win 10. :(

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        Nelek
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        PIEBALDconsult wrote:

        I would like to have Turbo Pascal 5.5 and Turbo C on my PC again

        me too (specially the turbo C), and I am not that old

        M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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        • F Forogar

          I recently got pulled in to help out on a 30+ years old mainframe project written in COBOL. It was a bit of shock to realise how much I remembered, since it had been 30+ years since I last worked with COBOL! I occasionally miss my old FORTRAN days (most recently Fortran 77 rather than FORTRAN IV) but I never have yearned to do COBOL (or even PL/1) again. Nostalgic thoughts?

          - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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          michaelbarb
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          About as much as I miss Latin. A few of us (about 3 out of 60) got fairly good at it. It became like a secrete language. The priests recognized it but could not understand it. There was one exception, the priest that taught it. I wonder if any of these languages will ever take on similar religious connotations?

          So many years of programming I have forgotten more languages than I know.

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          • F Forogar

            I recently got pulled in to help out on a 30+ years old mainframe project written in COBOL. It was a bit of shock to realise how much I remembered, since it had been 30+ years since I last worked with COBOL! I occasionally miss my old FORTRAN days (most recently Fortran 77 rather than FORTRAN IV) but I never have yearned to do COBOL (or even PL/1) again. Nostalgic thoughts?

            - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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            Mycroft Holmes
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            Not bloody likely, SuperBase was a bitch with weird errors that could not be identified. At one point I fixed an error by deleting the entire line and retyping exactly the sane code, weird.

            Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP

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              Not bloody likely, SuperBase was a bitch with weird errors that could not be identified. At one point I fixed an error by deleting the entire line and retyping exactly the sane code, weird.

              Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP

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              PIEBALDconsult
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              I had something similar happen with a DCL script. It was very strange, like the script would run, and then the system would try to execute the output. There was no way it could happen. I had to delete and rewrite the file.

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              • F Forogar

                I recently got pulled in to help out on a 30+ years old mainframe project written in COBOL. It was a bit of shock to realise how much I remembered, since it had been 30+ years since I last worked with COBOL! I occasionally miss my old FORTRAN days (most recently Fortran 77 rather than FORTRAN IV) but I never have yearned to do COBOL (or even PL/1) again. Nostalgic thoughts?

                - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                PIEBALDconsult
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                I forgot that I also have VAX BASIC on my MicroVAX, because it has immediate mode: HelloWorld.png[^]

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                • F Forogar

                  I recently got pulled in to help out on a 30+ years old mainframe project written in COBOL. It was a bit of shock to realise how much I remembered, since it had been 30+ years since I last worked with COBOL! I occasionally miss my old FORTRAN days (most recently Fortran 77 rather than FORTRAN IV) but I never have yearned to do COBOL (or even PL/1) again. Nostalgic thoughts?

                  - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                  Member 9167057
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                  I'm working on Turbo Pascal in DOS right now. Does that qualify?

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                  • L littleGreenDude

                    I miss Clarion. Surprisingly, it is still around (I just checked). I used it back in the DOS days.

                    “The palest ink is better than the best memory.” - Chinese Proverb

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                    Keviniano Gayo
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                    Yup it is still being used. I just created a .net for clarion to use.

                    [Signature space for sale]

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                    • F Forogar

                      I recently got pulled in to help out on a 30+ years old mainframe project written in COBOL. It was a bit of shock to realise how much I remembered, since it had been 30+ years since I last worked with COBOL! I occasionally miss my old FORTRAN days (most recently Fortran 77 rather than FORTRAN IV) but I never have yearned to do COBOL (or even PL/1) again. Nostalgic thoughts?

                      - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                      I miss programming in ActionScript. The Language which was used for the FlashPlayer.

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                      • F Forogar

                        I recently got pulled in to help out on a 30+ years old mainframe project written in COBOL. It was a bit of shock to realise how much I remembered, since it had been 30+ years since I last worked with COBOL! I occasionally miss my old FORTRAN days (most recently Fortran 77 rather than FORTRAN IV) but I never have yearned to do COBOL (or even PL/1) again. Nostalgic thoughts?

                        - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                        User 10654897
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                        To really go back to basics... I miss changing the type writer ribbon sometimes ;-)

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                        • F Forogar

                          I recently got pulled in to help out on a 30+ years old mainframe project written in COBOL. It was a bit of shock to realise how much I remembered, since it had been 30+ years since I last worked with COBOL! I occasionally miss my old FORTRAN days (most recently Fortran 77 rather than FORTRAN IV) but I never have yearned to do COBOL (or even PL/1) again. Nostalgic thoughts?

                          - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                          voracy
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                          I've loved, and yet I love, the Motorola 680x0 Assembler. I've spent so many hours on my Amigas furiously bashing the hardware.... pure pleasure! Sic.

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                          • F Forogar

                            I recently got pulled in to help out on a 30+ years old mainframe project written in COBOL. It was a bit of shock to realise how much I remembered, since it had been 30+ years since I last worked with COBOL! I occasionally miss my old FORTRAN days (most recently Fortran 77 rather than FORTRAN IV) but I never have yearned to do COBOL (or even PL/1) again. Nostalgic thoughts?

                            - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                            BillWoodruff
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                            Sometimes I miss programming in PostScript, the language that, so long ago, gave me my technical "fifteen minutes of fame:" it's like Lisp with a stack, and RPN, welded to a very powerful vector based graphics engine. PostScript's control of namespace lookup by an explicit stack of Dictionaries is very cool. Like Lisp, or other interpreted languages with a full REPL, turning text to code, and the reverse, was easy.

                            «Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot

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                            • L Lost User

                              I Sometimes miss the Univac 1100 Assembler that I spent so many years working on. But most modern languages are so much better in many ways.

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                              jsc42
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                              I miss PLAN (Programming LANguage for the ICL 1900 series). Wrote many nice utilities in that. Still a member of the BCS Fortran SIG, but mainly used FORTRAN IV (and dabbled with F77). 'Modern' (post 1970) languages have added layers of complexity in the guise of simplification.

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                              • F Forogar

                                I recently got pulled in to help out on a 30+ years old mainframe project written in COBOL. It was a bit of shock to realise how much I remembered, since it had been 30+ years since I last worked with COBOL! I occasionally miss my old FORTRAN days (most recently Fortran 77 rather than FORTRAN IV) but I never have yearned to do COBOL (or even PL/1) again. Nostalgic thoughts?

                                - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                                Bob1000
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                                Yep - Miss the good old days of C++98 before the ISO committee got its hands on it... The days when engineers where engineers not wimps scared of a null pointer or two!

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                                • J jsc42

                                  I miss PLAN (Programming LANguage for the ICL 1900 series). Wrote many nice utilities in that. Still a member of the BCS Fortran SIG, but mainly used FORTRAN IV (and dabbled with F77). 'Modern' (post 1970) languages have added layers of complexity in the guise of simplification.

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                                  Lost User
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                                  Yes, but remember how long it took to write out the coding sheets, get the cards punched, submit them for compilation, only to find you made a simple spelling mistake, or the punch girl mis-read your hieroglyphics.

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                                    I miss PLAN (Programming LANguage for the ICL 1900 series). Wrote many nice utilities in that. Still a member of the BCS Fortran SIG, but mainly used FORTRAN IV (and dabbled with F77). 'Modern' (post 1970) languages have added layers of complexity in the guise of simplification.

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                                    SawDid
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                                    Me, too. But also coding for 1900/2903/2960 DME executives where op codes were written in octal. 000 = LDX, etc

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                                    • R realJSOP

                                      I kinda miss Turbo Pascal... Most fond memory of it was that it was only $30.

                                      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                      BryanFazekas
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                                      Turbo Pascal was my first thought as well!

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                                      • R realJSOP

                                        I kinda miss Turbo Pascal... Most fond memory of it was that it was only $30.

                                        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                        When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                        Harrison Pratt
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                                        Me too ... and I miss Turbo Prolog even more. Of course, everything was simpler those days. "The only easy day was yesterday" as the Navy Seals say.

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                                        • F Forogar

                                          I recently got pulled in to help out on a 30+ years old mainframe project written in COBOL. It was a bit of shock to realise how much I remembered, since it had been 30+ years since I last worked with COBOL! I occasionally miss my old FORTRAN days (most recently Fortran 77 rather than FORTRAN IV) but I never have yearned to do COBOL (or even PL/1) again. Nostalgic thoughts?

                                          - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                                          rtischer8277
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                                          I have always programmed in C++. Except for a stint before it came out when I purchased UCSD Pascal for $100. You got the source code too. Its 16-bit byte codes ran on an interpreter whose idea was later later adopted by Java and Microsoft's reaction to Java, C#. You could debug UCSD Pascal both forwards and backwards, something Visual Studio is still dreaming about doing.

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