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Does anyone miss programming in old languages?

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  • F Forogar

    I recently got pulled in to help out on a 30+ years old mainframe project written in COBOL. It was a bit of shock to realise how much I remembered, since it had been 30+ years since I last worked with COBOL! I occasionally miss my old FORTRAN days (most recently Fortran 77 rather than FORTRAN IV) but I never have yearned to do COBOL (or even PL/1) again. Nostalgic thoughts?

    - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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    PIEBALDconsult
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    I forgot that I also have VAX BASIC on my MicroVAX, because it has immediate mode: HelloWorld.png[^]

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    • F Forogar

      I recently got pulled in to help out on a 30+ years old mainframe project written in COBOL. It was a bit of shock to realise how much I remembered, since it had been 30+ years since I last worked with COBOL! I occasionally miss my old FORTRAN days (most recently Fortran 77 rather than FORTRAN IV) but I never have yearned to do COBOL (or even PL/1) again. Nostalgic thoughts?

      - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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      Member 9167057
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      I'm working on Turbo Pascal in DOS right now. Does that qualify?

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      • L littleGreenDude

        I miss Clarion. Surprisingly, it is still around (I just checked). I used it back in the DOS days.

        “The palest ink is better than the best memory.” - Chinese Proverb

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        Keviniano Gayo
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        Yup it is still being used. I just created a .net for clarion to use.

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        • F Forogar

          I recently got pulled in to help out on a 30+ years old mainframe project written in COBOL. It was a bit of shock to realise how much I remembered, since it had been 30+ years since I last worked with COBOL! I occasionally miss my old FORTRAN days (most recently Fortran 77 rather than FORTRAN IV) but I never have yearned to do COBOL (or even PL/1) again. Nostalgic thoughts?

          - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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          User 13986648
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          I miss programming in ActionScript. The Language which was used for the FlashPlayer.

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          • F Forogar

            I recently got pulled in to help out on a 30+ years old mainframe project written in COBOL. It was a bit of shock to realise how much I remembered, since it had been 30+ years since I last worked with COBOL! I occasionally miss my old FORTRAN days (most recently Fortran 77 rather than FORTRAN IV) but I never have yearned to do COBOL (or even PL/1) again. Nostalgic thoughts?

            - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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            User 10654897
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            To really go back to basics... I miss changing the type writer ribbon sometimes ;-)

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            • F Forogar

              I recently got pulled in to help out on a 30+ years old mainframe project written in COBOL. It was a bit of shock to realise how much I remembered, since it had been 30+ years since I last worked with COBOL! I occasionally miss my old FORTRAN days (most recently Fortran 77 rather than FORTRAN IV) but I never have yearned to do COBOL (or even PL/1) again. Nostalgic thoughts?

              - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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              voracy
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              I've loved, and yet I love, the Motorola 680x0 Assembler. I've spent so many hours on my Amigas furiously bashing the hardware.... pure pleasure! Sic.

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              • F Forogar

                I recently got pulled in to help out on a 30+ years old mainframe project written in COBOL. It was a bit of shock to realise how much I remembered, since it had been 30+ years since I last worked with COBOL! I occasionally miss my old FORTRAN days (most recently Fortran 77 rather than FORTRAN IV) but I never have yearned to do COBOL (or even PL/1) again. Nostalgic thoughts?

                - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                BillWoodruff
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                Sometimes I miss programming in PostScript, the language that, so long ago, gave me my technical "fifteen minutes of fame:" it's like Lisp with a stack, and RPN, welded to a very powerful vector based graphics engine. PostScript's control of namespace lookup by an explicit stack of Dictionaries is very cool. Like Lisp, or other interpreted languages with a full REPL, turning text to code, and the reverse, was easy.

                «Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot

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                • L Lost User

                  I Sometimes miss the Univac 1100 Assembler that I spent so many years working on. But most modern languages are so much better in many ways.

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                  I miss PLAN (Programming LANguage for the ICL 1900 series). Wrote many nice utilities in that. Still a member of the BCS Fortran SIG, but mainly used FORTRAN IV (and dabbled with F77). 'Modern' (post 1970) languages have added layers of complexity in the guise of simplification.

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                  • F Forogar

                    I recently got pulled in to help out on a 30+ years old mainframe project written in COBOL. It was a bit of shock to realise how much I remembered, since it had been 30+ years since I last worked with COBOL! I occasionally miss my old FORTRAN days (most recently Fortran 77 rather than FORTRAN IV) but I never have yearned to do COBOL (or even PL/1) again. Nostalgic thoughts?

                    - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                    Bob1000
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                    Yep - Miss the good old days of C++98 before the ISO committee got its hands on it... The days when engineers where engineers not wimps scared of a null pointer or two!

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                    • J jsc42

                      I miss PLAN (Programming LANguage for the ICL 1900 series). Wrote many nice utilities in that. Still a member of the BCS Fortran SIG, but mainly used FORTRAN IV (and dabbled with F77). 'Modern' (post 1970) languages have added layers of complexity in the guise of simplification.

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                      Lost User
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                      Yes, but remember how long it took to write out the coding sheets, get the cards punched, submit them for compilation, only to find you made a simple spelling mistake, or the punch girl mis-read your hieroglyphics.

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                      • J jsc42

                        I miss PLAN (Programming LANguage for the ICL 1900 series). Wrote many nice utilities in that. Still a member of the BCS Fortran SIG, but mainly used FORTRAN IV (and dabbled with F77). 'Modern' (post 1970) languages have added layers of complexity in the guise of simplification.

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                        SawDid
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                        Me, too. But also coding for 1900/2903/2960 DME executives where op codes were written in octal. 000 = LDX, etc

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                        • R realJSOP

                          I kinda miss Turbo Pascal... Most fond memory of it was that it was only $30.

                          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                          BryanFazekas
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                          Turbo Pascal was my first thought as well!

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                          • R realJSOP

                            I kinda miss Turbo Pascal... Most fond memory of it was that it was only $30.

                            ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                            You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                            When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                            Harrison Pratt
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                            Me too ... and I miss Turbo Prolog even more. Of course, everything was simpler those days. "The only easy day was yesterday" as the Navy Seals say.

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                            • F Forogar

                              I recently got pulled in to help out on a 30+ years old mainframe project written in COBOL. It was a bit of shock to realise how much I remembered, since it had been 30+ years since I last worked with COBOL! I occasionally miss my old FORTRAN days (most recently Fortran 77 rather than FORTRAN IV) but I never have yearned to do COBOL (or even PL/1) again. Nostalgic thoughts?

                              - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                              rtischer8277
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                              I have always programmed in C++. Except for a stint before it came out when I purchased UCSD Pascal for $100. You got the source code too. Its 16-bit byte codes ran on an interpreter whose idea was later later adopted by Java and Microsoft's reaction to Java, C#. You could debug UCSD Pascal both forwards and backwards, something Visual Studio is still dreaming about doing.

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                              • R realJSOP

                                I kinda miss Turbo Pascal... Most fond memory of it was that it was only $30.

                                ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                                When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                Steve Naidamast
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                                Those were the days... :)

                                Steve Naidamast Sr. Software Engineer Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com

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                                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                  I spent a lot of my life coding in Z80 assembler, and sometimes - but not often - I do miss it. Being that "close" to the hardware feels ... natural, if you know what I mean.

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                                  agolddog
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                                  Yeah, my first job was on an old IBM Series/1, which ran in this somewhat low-level language called EDL (Event Driven Language). It was kind of assembler-like. Debugging consisted of getting a printout, on the left of which would be the actual compiled code (80A2 as an if-equals, I think). So, you learned a lot of how memory is actually managed by getting that close to the OS. I think that helps understand (or at least be able to theorize) better about what's under the hood when using higher-level languages. I wouldn't say I miss it, Bob. But, it was interesting to peer into the sausage factory, and I think it made me better at thinking about doing things (relatively) efficiently in more modern systems.

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                                  • F Forogar

                                    I recently got pulled in to help out on a 30+ years old mainframe project written in COBOL. It was a bit of shock to realise how much I remembered, since it had been 30+ years since I last worked with COBOL! I occasionally miss my old FORTRAN days (most recently Fortran 77 rather than FORTRAN IV) but I never have yearned to do COBOL (or even PL/1) again. Nostalgic thoughts?

                                    - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                                    Richard Winks
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                                    I used many different languages to some extent (some pretty obscure) in my 50+ year programming career. Of them all I think I liked C most of all. It was a short step up from the assembler to learn and was easy for me to use. Being a control freak I felt it gave me the best product from my time. I found the C lib functions straight forward and manageable. This is just an old fart's opinion. I can get by in just about anything. There is truly nothing under the sun. The language syntax and organization changes but it is all pretty much the same.

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                                    • R realJSOP

                                      I kinda miss Turbo Pascal... Most fond memory of it was that it was only $30.

                                      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                                      When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                      Robert Gale
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                                      Still keeping an old TP app alive that I offered to help out with 25 years ago! DosBox and no "Opening the file" messages - joy!

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                                      • F Forogar

                                        I recently got pulled in to help out on a 30+ years old mainframe project written in COBOL. It was a bit of shock to realise how much I remembered, since it had been 30+ years since I last worked with COBOL! I occasionally miss my old FORTRAN days (most recently Fortran 77 rather than FORTRAN IV) but I never have yearned to do COBOL (or even PL/1) again. Nostalgic thoughts?

                                        - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                                        AnotherKen
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                                        I remember them, but I don't exactly miss them enough to download a compiler and start writing Cobol or Fortran code. Almost, but not quite, now we have Mathf and C# so who needs the older languages? Well, unless you are called on to do a code conversion or repair old code. I learned with Basic and Pascal. But I will never refer a beginner to those languages these days.

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                                        • B BryanFazekas

                                          Turbo Pascal was my first thought as well!

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                                          Leonardo Pessoa
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                                          Same here

                                          - Leonardo

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