web development takes too long
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in 2006 microsoft was finally embarrassed enough to discontinue it and instead hide its functionality in sharepoint.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
I think it's burried just next to clippy.
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I think it's burried just next to clippy.
I killed clippy myself, and I'll never tell where i hid the body, except it's the first place you'd look if it wasn't the last place you'd expect.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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it sounds like trading one set of problems for another. and speaking of this webdev crap, the WPF designer is about as bad as all that. Which is why i don't use WPF
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
honey the codewitch wrote:
Which is why i don't use WPF
If you're looking for a good replacement for WPF... Electron | Build cross platform desktop apps with JavaScript, HTML, and CSS.[^] It brings all the bad things of web development and mixes it with all the bad things of desktop development to give you the best desktop development tool ever :D
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honey the codewitch wrote:
Which is why i don't use WPF
If you're looking for a good replacement for WPF... Electron | Build cross platform desktop apps with JavaScript, HTML, and CSS.[^] It brings all the bad things of web development and mixes it with all the bad things of desktop development to give you the best desktop development tool ever :D
Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
Sander Rossel wrote:
It brings all the bad things of web development and mixes it with all the bad things of desktop development to give you the best desktop development tool ever
so they tried to make WPF?
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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javascript is actually not terrible for me with jquery. a lot of times it's just spacing and overlapping layout crap that CSS does that takes all my time. I could probably go back to using tables and cut my webdev time in half. I think CSS was designed by committee, and that committee actually hates people - like a committee of misanthropes. "Let's take something conceptually easy and make it nearly impossible to use instead, so that we can make people feel bad about themselves" - CSS working group.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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honey the codewitch wrote:
I could probably go back to using tables
Wait, there's another way? :laugh: I don't care what is en vogue, tables rule! :)
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
after implementing .clearfix enough times in CSS trying to use its "modern" method (which doesn't work) I tend to agree.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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honey the codewitch wrote:
is there a better way to do it?
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Sander Rossel wrote:
It brings all the bad things of web development and mixes it with all the bad things of desktop development to give you the best desktop development tool ever
so they tried to make WPF?
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
At least it's multi-platform... Give them some credit!
Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
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At least it's multi-platform... Give them some credit!
Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
Certainly, I give them credit for making it suck on any platform you want it to suck on. :laugh:
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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it always comes down to trial and error. make a thing, try a thing, go back and *remake* the thing because DHTML and CSS are funny in a sad kind of way - like an old married couple that hates each other but won't divorce. is there a better way to do it? I mean other than schlepping it off onto someone else, which is my first choice. :laugh: is there some magic to web development that makes it not suck?
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
honey the codewitch wrote:
is there a better way to do it?
I have found that repeatedly banging my head against a wall, while swearing and wailing, lessens the suckiness of web development.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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it always comes down to trial and error. make a thing, try a thing, go back and *remake* the thing because DHTML and CSS are funny in a sad kind of way - like an old married couple that hates each other but won't divorce. is there a better way to do it? I mean other than schlepping it off onto someone else, which is my first choice. :laugh: is there some magic to web development that makes it not suck?
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
With my limited experience with web technologies and having spent some time with the various libraries. I have found that DHMLX works far better than some other supposedly better coded ones, e.g. Telerik ones. Using such libraries shaves off a lot of development effort. Also, DHTMLX has far better documentation that any I've seen. And the magic you're looking for is called JavaScript, there's also bootstrap. :laugh:
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With my limited experience with web technologies and having spent some time with the various libraries. I have found that DHMLX works far better than some other supposedly better coded ones, e.g. Telerik ones. Using such libraries shaves off a lot of development effort. Also, DHTMLX has far better documentation that any I've seen. And the magic you're looking for is called JavaScript, there's also bootstrap. :laugh:
you're probably right about the javascript, as I've had better luck sanitizing, or rather "sanifying" my code using say, jquery than i have using CSS 3 - the layout issues still plague me. There's so many corner cases
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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honey the codewitch wrote:
is there a better way to do it?
I have found that repeatedly banging my head against a wall, while swearing and wailing, lessens the suckiness of web development.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
i'm not sure how i feel about that. On one hand, misery loves company. On the other, it means it's less likely I'm missing The Big Secret that makes it all work happily.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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it always comes down to trial and error. make a thing, try a thing, go back and *remake* the thing because DHTML and CSS are funny in a sad kind of way - like an old married couple that hates each other but won't divorce. is there a better way to do it? I mean other than schlepping it off onto someone else, which is my first choice. :laugh: is there some magic to web development that makes it not suck?
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
There are two reasons why I still smoke: :sigh: 0: web development 1: extrovert in-laws/neighbors/acquaintances who require daily therapy My workload has shifted over the last several years so that I now spend at least half of my time on web development. The only things that makes it bearable are improved IDEs, jQuery, massive q/a resources, and enough time (around 20 years) doing it to build a decent warchest of JavaScript functions...some of the oldest still work! :)
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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you're probably right about the javascript, as I've had better luck sanitizing, or rather "sanifying" my code using say, jquery than i have using CSS 3 - the layout issues still plague me. There's so many corner cases
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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There are two reasons why I still smoke: :sigh: 0: web development 1: extrovert in-laws/neighbors/acquaintances who require daily therapy My workload has shifted over the last several years so that I now spend at least half of my time on web development. The only things that makes it bearable are improved IDEs, jQuery, massive q/a resources, and enough time (around 20 years) doing it to build a decent warchest of JavaScript functions...some of the oldest still work! :)
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
yeah, *sigh* that's like I figured the landscape would be. *headdesk* that's also how you know you are working with something that is a Big Ball of Mud Maybe if we took a few of the more active working group committee members hostage they'd step up their game.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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I have been using bootstrap's CSS library for almost all my development and it more or less does the job well.
a lot of people use that. i have at times, but it's still a slog
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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i'm not sure how i feel about that. On one hand, misery loves company. On the other, it means it's less likely I'm missing The Big Secret that makes it all work happily.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
In all seriousness I am not sure there is a perfect solution for web development. Every time I hear someone enthuse about a new amazing framework that solves one issue it always brings another issue with it. That said if I was starting from scratch I would perhaps use React for the front end, microservices on the .NET side(.NET core even using a repository/orchestrator pattern) and as a datastore use something like MongoDB.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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it always comes down to trial and error. make a thing, try a thing, go back and *remake* the thing because DHTML and CSS are funny in a sad kind of way - like an old married couple that hates each other but won't divorce. is there a better way to do it? I mean other than schlepping it off onto someone else, which is my first choice. :laugh: is there some magic to web development that makes it not suck?
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
I agree with you: web "programming" is a bloody mess; a Frankenstein chimera of mark-ups and toy-language mutated into Godzilla. Cross platform = Death by a hundred Frameworks. However, I see some beacons of light, like the work my old friend Andrej (Lidor Systems) is doing with his Angular controls that can be used for stand alone apps, as well as with servers. cheers, Bill
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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I agree with you: web "programming" is a bloody mess; a Frankenstein chimera of mark-ups and toy-language mutated into Godzilla. Cross platform = Death by a hundred Frameworks. However, I see some beacons of light, like the work my old friend Andrej (Lidor Systems) is doing with his Angular controls that can be used for stand alone apps, as well as with servers. cheers, Bill
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
i saw angular could be used to build standalone apps, which i thought could be either really cool or really awful. :-D
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
