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When did we become "Developers" rather than "Programmers"

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    Slow Eddie
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    When did we become "Developers" rather than "Programmers"? :confused::confused: And what the he*l are "Coders" and what is the difference? :confused::confused:

    A rose by any other name.... something, something, something

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      When did we become "Developers" rather than "Programmers"? :confused::confused: And what the he*l are "Coders" and what is the difference? :confused::confused:

      A rose by any other name.... something, something, something

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      Dan Neely
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      One starts with a "C", the second with a "D", the third with a "P". :rolleyes:

      Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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        When did we become "Developers" rather than "Programmers"? :confused::confused: And what the he*l are "Coders" and what is the difference? :confused::confused:

        A rose by any other name.... something, something, something

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        When I started out it was the systems analysts who did the design and logic. All the programmer needed to do was to convert the English instructions into lines of code. So it was a fairly basic function and any idiot (me) could do it. Since then the job has developed in line with ever more sophisticated hardware and software. So now, the 'programmer' has to understand much more and use his/her skills to develop products rather than be a 'code monkey'.

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          When did we become "Developers" rather than "Programmers"? :confused::confused: And what the he*l are "Coders" and what is the difference? :confused::confused:

          A rose by any other name.... something, something, something

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          Sander Rossel
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          I guess it has to do with the image people have of each. A programmer is someone who is anti-social and types code all day, not rarely for evil intent. A coder is pretty much the same, but without the evil, maybe? It sounds more akin to script kiddies. A developer sounds a lot more friendly. We're developing, rather than destroying. I know I prefer the term developer because it sounds like I do more than just type code. As a developer I also create UI's. Or what about an engineer? I think I've had that title in the past. In the end they're all the same, but managers rather hire developers than coders. Put full-stack or cloud somewhere in your title and you'll do well among managers and recruiters :D Sr. full-stack cloud architect ;)

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            When did we become "Developers" rather than "Programmers"? :confused::confused: And what the he*l are "Coders" and what is the difference? :confused::confused:

            A rose by any other name.... something, something, something

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            Marc Clifton
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            Looking at the progression of Programmer => Developer => Engineer...

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            A sanitation engineer is responsible for the proper handling of sewage and wastewater, as well as the sanitary treatment of wastewater and sewage. They use their skills to perform random sample testing of water in local streams and soil to make sure that the local environment remains safe from contamination.

            The analogy should be clear.

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              I guess it has to do with the image people have of each. A programmer is someone who is anti-social and types code all day, not rarely for evil intent. A coder is pretty much the same, but without the evil, maybe? It sounds more akin to script kiddies. A developer sounds a lot more friendly. We're developing, rather than destroying. I know I prefer the term developer because it sounds like I do more than just type code. As a developer I also create UI's. Or what about an engineer? I think I've had that title in the past. In the end they're all the same, but managers rather hire developers than coders. Put full-stack or cloud somewhere in your title and you'll do well among managers and recruiters :D Sr. full-stack cloud architect ;)

              Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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              CodeWraith
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              Sander Rossel wrote:

              do well among managers and recruiters

              Who wants to do well with them? They did their best to drain all life out of me and now I have come back to scare them to death.

              I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                Looking at the progression of Programmer => Developer => Engineer...

                Quote:

                A sanitation engineer is responsible for the proper handling of sewage and wastewater, as well as the sanitary treatment of wastewater and sewage. They use their skills to perform random sample testing of water in local streams and soil to make sure that the local environment remains safe from contamination.

                The analogy should be clear.

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                I wonder what would be "the improper handling of sewage". X|

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                  Looking at the progression of Programmer => Developer => Engineer...

                  Quote:

                  A sanitation engineer is responsible for the proper handling of sewage and wastewater, as well as the sanitary treatment of wastewater and sewage. They use their skills to perform random sample testing of water in local streams and soil to make sure that the local environment remains safe from contamination.

                  The analogy should be clear.

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                  16 Days: A TypeScript application from concept to implementation

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                  CodeWraith
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                  Marc Clifton wrote:

                  Programmer => Developer => Engineer => CodeWraith

                  You forgot the last step :-)

                  I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                    Looking at the progression of Programmer => Developer => Engineer...

                    Quote:

                    A sanitation engineer is responsible for the proper handling of sewage and wastewater, as well as the sanitary treatment of wastewater and sewage. They use their skills to perform random sample testing of water in local streams and soil to make sure that the local environment remains safe from contamination.

                    The analogy should be clear.

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                    16 Days: A TypeScript application from concept to implementation

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                    You forgot the precedent to programmer of hack. Some people never get beyond that. Unfortunately, they work here.

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                      Looking at the progression of Programmer => Developer => Engineer...

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                      A sanitation engineer is responsible for the proper handling of sewage and wastewater, as well as the sanitary treatment of wastewater and sewage. They use their skills to perform random sample testing of water in local streams and soil to make sure that the local environment remains safe from contamination.

                      The analogy should be clear.

                      Latest Articles:
                      16 Days: A TypeScript application from concept to implementation

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                      I went to school to learn to be a "Production Supervisory Engineer" Basically, I watch other people work.

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                      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                        When did we become "Developers" rather than "Programmers"? :confused::confused: And what the he*l are "Coders" and what is the difference? :confused::confused:

                        A rose by any other name.... something, something, something

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                        when I was young the people behind the bench/desk at the bank were called "tellers." apparently it's insulting to call them that now. give it a few more years, "programmer" will be an insulting title too. one things for sure, the "tellers" were way less obnoxious and far more efficient than today's "customer liaison executives" or whatever they are called this week. ... 'would you like the combo pack or just your own money.'

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                          When did we become "Developers" rather than "Programmers"? :confused::confused: And what the he*l are "Coders" and what is the difference? :confused::confused:

                          A rose by any other name.... something, something, something

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                          W Balboos GHB
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                          Attempting to give a serious answer, of the three, "Developer" seems to fit more into what I do and can be thus described: I plan the whole shebang: interface(s), databases, &etc. and then make it all happen. Not just the logic of the code but the logic of the process - and usually in a manner that leaves easy access to enhancements without breaking existing dependencies. (At least in my dreams).

                          Ravings en masse^

                          "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                          "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                            I went to school to learn to be a "Production Supervisory Engineer" Basically, I watch other people work.

                            Ravings en masse^

                            "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                            "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                            Lost User
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                            I think it's because: - people don't know what your title means, - but it sounds pretty really important so you get to keep that job just in case something that matters breaks if you weren't there.

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                              When I started out it was the systems analysts who did the design and logic. All the programmer needed to do was to convert the English instructions into lines of code. So it was a fairly basic function and any idiot (me) could do it. Since then the job has developed in line with ever more sophisticated hardware and software. So now, the 'programmer' has to understand much more and use his/her skills to develop products rather than be a 'code monkey'.

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                              Slacker007
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                              Exactly. :thumbsup:

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                                You forgot the precedent to programmer of hack. Some people never get beyond that. Unfortunately, they work here.

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                                agolddog wrote:

                                Unfortunately, they work here.

                                They may use the forums, but they certainly do not work here.

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                                  When did we become "Developers" rather than "Programmers"? :confused::confused: And what the he*l are "Coders" and what is the difference? :confused::confused:

                                  A rose by any other name.... something, something, something

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                                  Herman T Instance
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                                  Software Engineer it is called now

                                  In Word you can only store 2 bytes. That is why I use Writer.

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                                    When did we become "Developers" rather than "Programmers"? :confused::confused: And what the he*l are "Coders" and what is the difference? :confused::confused:

                                    A rose by any other name.... something, something, something

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                                    Maximilien
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                                    when we stop using mainframes or mini computers that needed specialists to program them.

                                    I'd rather be phishing!

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                                      When did we become "Developers" rather than "Programmers"? :confused::confused: And what the he*l are "Coders" and what is the difference? :confused::confused:

                                      A rose by any other name.... something, something, something

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                                      PIEBALDconsult
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                                      When we stopped programming computers via wires.

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                                        When did we become "Developers" rather than "Programmers"? :confused::confused: And what the he*l are "Coders" and what is the difference? :confused::confused:

                                        A rose by any other name.... something, something, something

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                                        Bassam Abdul Baki
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                                        When we switched from similes to metaphors.

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                                          Software Engineer it is called now

                                          In Word you can only store 2 bytes. That is why I use Writer.

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                                          Ravi Bhavnani
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                                          I've always called myself that. /ravi

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