When did we become "Developers" rather than "Programmers"
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I guess it has to do with the image people have of each. A programmer is someone who is anti-social and types code all day, not rarely for evil intent. A coder is pretty much the same, but without the evil, maybe? It sounds more akin to script kiddies. A developer sounds a lot more friendly. We're developing, rather than destroying. I know I prefer the term developer because it sounds like I do more than just type code. As a developer I also create UI's. Or what about an engineer? I think I've had that title in the past. In the end they're all the same, but managers rather hire developers than coders. Put full-stack or cloud somewhere in your title and you'll do well among managers and recruiters :D Sr. full-stack cloud architect ;)
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Looking at the progression of Programmer => Developer => Engineer...
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A sanitation engineer is responsible for the proper handling of sewage and wastewater, as well as the sanitary treatment of wastewater and sewage. They use their skills to perform random sample testing of water in local streams and soil to make sure that the local environment remains safe from contamination.
The analogy should be clear.
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A sanitation engineer is responsible for the proper handling of sewage and wastewater, as well as the sanitary treatment of wastewater and sewage. They use their skills to perform random sample testing of water in local streams and soil to make sure that the local environment remains safe from contamination.
The analogy should be clear.
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16 Days: A TypeScript application from concept to implementationMarc Clifton wrote:
Programmer => Developer => Engineer => CodeWraith
You forgot the last step :-)
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Looking at the progression of Programmer => Developer => Engineer...
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A sanitation engineer is responsible for the proper handling of sewage and wastewater, as well as the sanitary treatment of wastewater and sewage. They use their skills to perform random sample testing of water in local streams and soil to make sure that the local environment remains safe from contamination.
The analogy should be clear.
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Looking at the progression of Programmer => Developer => Engineer...
Quote:
A sanitation engineer is responsible for the proper handling of sewage and wastewater, as well as the sanitary treatment of wastewater and sewage. They use their skills to perform random sample testing of water in local streams and soil to make sure that the local environment remains safe from contamination.
The analogy should be clear.
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16 Days: A TypeScript application from concept to implementationI went to school to learn to be a "Production Supervisory Engineer" Basically, I watch other people work.
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When did we become "Developers" rather than "Programmers"? :confused::confused: And what the he*l are "Coders" and what is the difference? :confused::confused:
A rose by any other name.... something, something, something
when I was young the people behind the bench/desk at the bank were called "tellers." apparently it's insulting to call them that now. give it a few more years, "programmer" will be an insulting title too. one things for sure, the "tellers" were way less obnoxious and far more efficient than today's "customer liaison executives" or whatever they are called this week. ... 'would you like the combo pack or just your own money.'
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When did we become "Developers" rather than "Programmers"? :confused::confused: And what the he*l are "Coders" and what is the difference? :confused::confused:
A rose by any other name.... something, something, something
Attempting to give a serious answer, of the three, "Developer" seems to fit more into what I do and can be thus described: I plan the whole shebang: interface(s), databases, &etc. and then make it all happen. Not just the logic of the code but the logic of the process - and usually in a manner that leaves easy access to enhancements without breaking existing dependencies. (At least in my dreams).
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I went to school to learn to be a "Production Supervisory Engineer" Basically, I watch other people work.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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When I started out it was the systems analysts who did the design and logic. All the programmer needed to do was to convert the English instructions into lines of code. So it was a fairly basic function and any idiot (me) could do it. Since then the job has developed in line with ever more sophisticated hardware and software. So now, the 'programmer' has to understand much more and use his/her skills to develop products rather than be a 'code monkey'.
Exactly. :thumbsup:
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You forgot the precedent to programmer of hack. Some people never get beyond that. Unfortunately, they work here.
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When did we become "Developers" rather than "Programmers"? :confused::confused: And what the he*l are "Coders" and what is the difference? :confused::confused:
A rose by any other name.... something, something, something
Software Engineer it is called now
In Word you can only store 2 bytes. That is why I use Writer.
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When did we become "Developers" rather than "Programmers"? :confused::confused: And what the he*l are "Coders" and what is the difference? :confused::confused:
A rose by any other name.... something, something, something
when we stop using mainframes or mini computers that needed specialists to program them.
I'd rather be phishing!
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When did we become "Developers" rather than "Programmers"? :confused::confused: And what the he*l are "Coders" and what is the difference? :confused::confused:
A rose by any other name.... something, something, something
When we stopped programming computers via wires.
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When did we become "Developers" rather than "Programmers"? :confused::confused: And what the he*l are "Coders" and what is the difference? :confused::confused:
A rose by any other name.... something, something, something
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Software Engineer it is called now
In Word you can only store 2 bytes. That is why I use Writer.
I've always called myself that. /ravi
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Attempting to give a serious answer, of the three, "Developer" seems to fit more into what I do and can be thus described: I plan the whole shebang: interface(s), databases, &etc. and then make it all happen. Not just the logic of the code but the logic of the process - and usually in a manner that leaves easy access to enhancements without breaking existing dependencies. (At least in my dreams).
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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When did we become "Developers" rather than "Programmers"? :confused::confused: And what the he*l are "Coders" and what is the difference? :confused::confused:
A rose by any other name.... something, something, something
Developers might be what is called a programmer analyst. A programmer needs natural language pseudo code from an application designer who received specifications from executives and marketing. I think the stigma put on programmers comes from the hacker world, not the password hacking, virus creating types but what I find described at an old-hackers-jargon site being here. A programmer is like a code-grinder in an electronic data processing shop. We're developers because hackers don't like programmers or their EDP environments.
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When did we become "Developers" rather than "Programmers"? :confused::confused: And what the he*l are "Coders" and what is the difference? :confused::confused:
A rose by any other name.... something, something, something
Slow Eddie wrote:
When did we become "Developers" rather than "Programmers"? :confused: :confused: And what the he*l are "Coders" and what is the difference? :confused: :confused:
I started out as a coder, simply by writing code. When I learned the details of the language and learned to write an application without putting procedural code in the events and got paid for it, I became a programmer. Developer was when I got my education, and requires a bit more than knowing how to program; it suggests you know a bit about databases, webservers, protocols and security. The first is a bit of a hacker. The second a strong amateur, the third should be someone who doesn't just writes a program, but who can explain when NOT to automate, and what benefits to expect from both options. Similar to the "three levels of cooking" series on Youtube. My current cooking-skill is just below level 1 :D
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agolddog wrote:
Unfortunately, they work here.
They may use the forums, but they certainly do not work here.
No, no, "here" is where I am. Not your "here". Also realized it's an iterative thing, not linear. Start out as a hack, think you've got a pretty good handle on things and have moved up. Then, a year later, you look at the code you developed when you thought you were getting a pretty good handle on things and think, "what a hack". Of course, there are some who never endeavor to improve and think they're decent developers, but really just stay on the hack level.
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No, no, "here" is where I am. Not your "here". Also realized it's an iterative thing, not linear. Start out as a hack, think you've got a pretty good handle on things and have moved up. Then, a year later, you look at the code you developed when you thought you were getting a pretty good handle on things and think, "what a hack". Of course, there are some who never endeavor to improve and think they're decent developers, but really just stay on the hack level.
